The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

[NickHassan]

Hi davidl,

It is not shown in scripture.,

Do you think that if you keep promoting it that it will become real?

[DavidL]

Let God open your eyes to Scripture..

Otherwise you only see what you want to see..

[NickHassan]

Hi davidl,

Do you have to read between the lines to find your trinity because it is not taught about.

You told us men developed it to fight off heresy did you not?

Out of the frying pan into the fire

[DavidL]

so all doctrine developed after the early church is uninspired..?

[NickHassan]

Hi davidl,

Yes.

[NickHassan]

Hi davidl,

The roaring lion got amongst the flock.

Truth and the power of God vanished with the anointed ones.

But the religion of man thrived because it seems to please men when God is not involved.

[NickHassan]

Hi ,

Of course the power of God did not change but because faith disappeared from earth God did not manifest His powers here as obviously as before.

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,

Do you have any supporting verses to show this verse is important for all?

Logic does not fit with spiritual words.

I do not believe that God is telling everyone there ways are not his ways and their thoughts are not his thoughts as that would contradict the words of the New Testament. It did apply to those under the Law for Paul tells us that what Law says it says to those under the Law and in truth it applies to anyone who does not live by the Spirit. It does not apply to those that live by the Spirit as their thoughts are God’s thoughts and their ways are God’s ways since they are created like him in true righteousness and holiness.

You should know this already.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

So reason is a weak tool for the worldly?

[kerwin]

DavidL,

If the true Church is founded upon the unmovable revelation of Jesus Christ – then why do you attempt to build doctrines on a foundation of logic…???

Jesus uses logical reasoning in a number of places. It is a common way he chose to teach,

Matthew 22:41-45Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Matthew 12:3-4Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

Peter was inspired because he believed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God but so is anyone else that believes it.

[kerwin]

Nick,

So reason is a weak tool for the worldly?

Did you read that in the bible?

I have never seen it written.

God has no reason to tell those that live by the Spirit those words as they have already reasoned with him and received the promise of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit teaches those that receive the Spirit and reason is one of its tools. Reason also is a tool used to prevent those that are mature from falling. There are uses for it but they are of little importance.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

You think the ways of God are the same as those of men?

Spiritual wisdom is not worldly wisdom.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

My words are spirit and life

Faith comes from hearing…the Word of God.

The natural mind is an arrogant obstacle to the ways of God

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,

You think the ways of God are the same as those of men?

Spiritual wisdom is not worldly wisdom.

Why don’t you know that Spiritual wisdom is the fruit of the Spirit and worldly wisdom is the work of the flesh?

Logical reasoning can be either as Jesus lived by the Spirit and therefore the logic he uses is the fruit of the Spirit.

Condemn the wisdom of this world as God condemns it but logical reasoning which he does not.

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,

My words are spirit and life

Faith comes from hearing…the Word of God.

The natural mind is an arrogant obstacle to the ways of God

Yes, that is why Jesus’ conclusions arrived at by logical reasoning were rejected.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

The fruits of the Spirit are shown in Gal 5 and LOGIC is not among them.

Men glorify such human wisdom .

Greek wisdom.

[kerwin]

Nick,

That is but a sample of the fruits of the Spirit logic is not in itself a fruit of the Spirit is that it is a tool. For instance a hammer is not a fruit of the Spirit but what you do with it may well be.

[NickHassan]

hi KW,

Are there other fruits that are not written

but you can discern and teach us about?

 

Adding to scripture is not a problem?

[kerwin]

Nick,

If you look at other passage you will find some of the other fruits mentioned.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

Which other fruits of the Spirit are there that are not written but you can teach about?

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