The Ten Commandments

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2013,20:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2013,00:23) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,21:04) “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” Should we make a graven image of ANYTHING? What about the television? 2Besee, There's a lot more information on this, but I want to share something that you probably never heard before. A graven image, simply means a worked artifact like a statue or monument. BUT also look at the wording the “AKJV Bible” uses here, “Graven Image”. A graven image is also [†††] a crucifix. (as in a marker on a grave) “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served  the creature(Jesus) more than the Creator(YHVH), who is blessed for ever.” (Romans 1:25) “Shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside,  that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?” (Isaiah 44:19-20) Jer 2:27 is very interesting because of two very prophetic things are mentioned here: “Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.” (Jer 2:27) “Saying to a stock, thou art my father”: this is what the religious are doing with the crucifix and a misunderstanding of Isaiah 9:6. “and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth”: this is what the Atheists are doing who say we originated from minerals. (minerals is what ROCKS are made of) God bless Ed J Hi Ed, Thanks but I don't quite understand your post. Are you agreeing with Gene in a way?

2Besee,,

My point was that Jer 2:27 illustrates the shortcomings of Science and Religion.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 21 2013,03:54)

2besee………I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying .  I know Jesus is not the man of sin, what I was saying is that the “false” ” image” which is a “LIE”  ABOUT  JESUS, being a God, that was created by THE GNOSTIC'S and latter by the doctrine of the TRINITY is .  Another words there is no real man of sin at all, This “false” “image” of Jesus is what Jesus will destroy by his own mouth when he returns. There is no real man of sin, there is only a false image of Jesus being a God that creates it. peace and love to you and yours………………gene

Yes…I have heard that one before!

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2013,05:06)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 20 2013,20:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2013,00:23) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,21:04) “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” Should we make a graven image of ANYTHING? What about the television? 2Besee, There's a lot more information on this, but I want to share something that you probably never heard before. A graven image, simply means a worked artifact like a statue or monument. BUT also look at the wording the “AKJV Bible” uses here, “Graven Image”. A graven image is also [†††] a crucifix. (as in a marker on a grave) “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served  the creature(Jesus) more than the Creator(YHVH), who is blessed for ever.” (Romans 1:25) “Shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside,  that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?” (Isaiah 44:19-20) Jer 2:27 is very interesting because of two very prophetic things are mentioned here: “Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.” (Jer 2:27) “Saying to a stock, thou art my father”: this is what the religious are doing with the crucifix and a misunderstanding of Isaiah 9:6. “and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth”: this is what the Atheists are doing who say we originated from minerals. (minerals is what ROCKS are made of) God bless Ed J Hi Ed, Thanks but I don't quite understand your post. Are you agreeing with Gene in a way? 2Besee,, My point was that Jer 2:27 illustrates the shortcomings of Science and Religion. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, okay..

[2besee]

So, what I would like to know is this:

IS THERE ANY ONE ON THIS FORUM WHO BELIEVES THAT THE LAW IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO US BECAUSE WE ARE “SAVED” SO THEREFORE = THERE IS NO TEN COMMANDMENTS ANYMORE?

Thanks.

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 21 2013,15:31)

So, what I would like to know is this: IS THERE ANY ONE ON THIS FORUM WHO BELIEVES THAT THE LAW IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO US BECAUSE WE ARE “SAVED” SO THEREFORE = THERE IS NO TEN COMMANDMENTS ANYMORE? Thanks.

2BEE

if anyone declares that the 10 commandments are finish ,they have not known God or his son Jesus Christ ,

and they have not understood what Christ means by ;

Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

if you want the two commandment in witch Christ resume the ten to be annul ;this is impossible ;

Christ quoted those two not to followed but executed under ;
worship in spirit and in truth.”
understand were and how deep the truth of God must be in us ,then their is no law only LOVE

[2besee]

Hi T,
I am sorry!
I got distracted by other topics,
Back to this one soon.

Yes you are right too, the ten commandments are summed up in the word LOVE. The first five of the ten commandments are regarding God, and the next five commandments are regarding our neighbor.

And there is a much deeper meaning to them as they become not only our actions but also our thoughts and our heart, which God knows.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 21 2013,20:31)

So, what I would like to know is this: IS THERE ANY ONE ON THIS FORUM WHO BELIEVES THAT THE LAW IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO US BECAUSE WE ARE “SAVED” SO THEREFORE = THERE IS NO TEN COMMANDMENTS ANYMORE? Thanks.

2besee………..Maybe this will help. Many teach the Law has been done away with , they believe what Paul siaid did away with it.

Paul said By Works of the Law shall no flesh be Justified before God. This seems on the surface to say we do not need to keep the commandments. But what was Paul really meaning by the expresion, “WORKS” of the Law.

He simply was saying the WAY LAW WORKS, so lets examine how LAW “WORKS”. The word LAW implies FORCED application it also requires an enforcement method . Take our Driving Laws for instance. We all know the intent of those laws are for safty right, But without enforcement would people obey them? Some maybe but most would not, lets say you were driving in a 50 mph zone but wanted to go 60 mph, if the laws were not enforced, you could go any speed you choose to. But you knowing they are “Enforce” will keep your speed down especially when you see the enforcer present.

Well the Laws of God work the same way, When God turned his Ten Commandments into LAWS it required enforcement. Remember what Moses said to the People when the “LAW” became in effect,  “for the LORD Your GOD has done this that the “FEAR” of Him be before you Face, that you Sin not”.

Another words “FEAR” became the motivating Factor so they would not Sin. But what Paul was bring out was  Fear Producing “WORKS” of LAW , which came about by “FORCED COMPLIANCE” could never make there Hearts right in a Million years even if they keep those Law through the Way Law “WORKS”. By “FORCED COMPLIANCE”

So what does God say about this, A day would come when I shall take out of them the “STONY HEART” and give them a “HEART OF FLESH” (soft heart) and I (GOD) will write my Law in there “INWARD PARTS, and I will be their God and they shall be my people

So you see It never was a question if we should or shouldn't keep God Commandment , but the Question is “HOW” we “KEEP” them. is it by the effectual working of God's spirit causing us to love one another or is it by the WORKS of LAW (forced compliance)? IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 23 2013,22:06)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 21 2013,20:31) So, what I would like to know is this: IS THERE ANY ONE ON THIS FORUM WHO BELIEVES THAT THE LAW IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO US BECAUSE WE ARE “SAVED” SO THEREFORE = THERE IS NO TEN COMMANDMENTS ANYMORE? Thanks. 2besee………..Mabe this will help. Many teach the Law has been done away with , they believe what Paul siaid did away with it. Paul said By Woks of the Law shall no flesh be Justified befor God. This seems on the surface to say we do not need to keep the commandments. But what was Paul really meaning by the expresion of “WORKS” of the Law. He simply was saying the WAY LAW WORKS, so lets examine how LAW “WORKS”. The word LAW implies FORCED application it also requires an enforcement method . Take our Driving Laws for instance. We all know the intent of those laws are for safty right, But without enforcement would people obey them? Some maybe but most would not. lets say you were driving in a 50 mph zone but wanted to go 60 mph, if the law were not enforced, ypu could go any speed you chose to. But you knowing they are “Enforce” will keep your speed down espically when you see the enforcer present. Well the Laws of God work the same way, When God turned his Ten Commamdments ino LAWS it required inforcement. Remember what Moses said to the People when the “LAW” became in effect,  “for the LORD Your GOD has done this that the “FEAR” of Him be before you Face, that you Sin not”. Another words “FEAR” became the motivating Factor so they would not Sin. But what Paul was bring out was  Fear Producing “WORKS” of LAW , which came about by “FORCED COMPLIANCE” could never make there Hearts right in a Million years even if the keep those Law through the Way Law “WORKS”. By “FORCED COMPLIANCE” So what does God say about this, A day would come when I sahll take out of them the “STONEY HEART” and give them a “HEART OF FLESH” (soft heart) and will write my Law in there “INWARD PARTS, and I will be their God and they shall be my people So you see It never was a question if we should or shouldn't keep God Commandment , but the Question is “HOW” we “KEEP” them. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

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Paul said By Woks of the Law shall no flesh be Justified befor God. This seems on the surface to say we do not need to keep the commandments. But what was Paul really meaning by the expresion of “WORKS” of the Law.

Paul was talking about the law of justification ,that no one could follow ,

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca……….But Paul said by “WORKS” of “THE” Law. He is not addressing the rightiousness of the Law but how it “WORKS, Brother.  Paul was talking about “HOW LAW “WORKS” and the way Law Works is through fear and that produces a (forced compliance), but no flesh can be Justified that way.  I believe Paul was not talking about a Law of Justification, be cause there is no such Law of Justification because no Law can make a person right in their Hearts. WE are Justified by Grace apart from the WORKS of the LAW, he plainly told us.

Commandments are not LAWS unless they are written and codified and then can be enforced. Legally.

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………….gene

[2besee]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 21 2013,03:54)

2besee………I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying .  I know Jesus is not the man of sin, what I was saying is that the “false” ” image” which is a “LIE”  ABOUT  JESUS, being a God, that was created by THE GNOSTIC'S and latter by the doctrine of the TRINITY is .  Another words there is no real man of sin at all, This “false” “image” of Jesus is what Jesus will destroy by his own mouth when he returns. There is no real man of sin, there is only a false image of Jesus being a God that creates it. peace and love to you and yours………………gene

Hi Gene,
I do not believe that the man of sin in 2nd Thess has anything to do with the trinity as such. But, that chapter aside, where I believe there is a problem with the trinity is that it firstly makes the one God three God's (they will word it differently of course) and it also places the Holy Spirit as third in line where Jesus said:

“Whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”

So this is placing the Holy Spirit (of course!?) higher than the Son of Man..

[2besee]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2013,05:06)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 21 2013,20:31) So, what I would like to know is this: IS THERE ANY ONE ON THIS FORUM WHO BELIEVES THAT THE LAW IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO US BECAUSE WE ARE “SAVED” SO THEREFORE = THERE IS NO TEN COMMANDMENTS ANYMORE? Thanks. 2besee………..Maybe this will help. Many teach the Law has been done away with , they believe what Paul siaid did away with it. Paul said By Works of the Law shall no flesh be Justified before God. This seems on the surface to say we do not need to keep the commandments. But what was Paul really meaning by the expresion, “WORKS” of the Law. He simply was saying the WAY LAW WORKS, so lets examine how LAW “WORKS”. The word LAW implies FORCED application it also requires an enforcement method . Take our Driving Laws for instance. We all know the intent of those laws are for safty right, But without enforcement would people obey them? Some maybe but most would not, lets say you were driving in a 50 mph zone but wanted to go 60 mph, if the laws were not enforced, you could go any speed you choose to. But you knowing they are “Enforce” will keep your speed down especially when you see the enforcer present. Well the Laws of God work the same way, When God turned his Ten Commandments into LAWS it required enforcement. Remember what Moses said to the People when the “LAW” became in effect,  “for the LORD Your GOD has done this that the “FEAR” of Him be before you Face, that you Sin not”. Another words “FEAR” became the motivating Factor so they would not Sin. But what Paul was bring out was  Fear Producing “WORKS” of LAW , which came about by “FORCED COMPLIANCE” could never make there Hearts right in a Million years even if they keep those Law through the Way Law “WORKS”. By “FORCED COMPLIANCE” So what does God say about this, A day would come when I shall take out of them the “STONY HEART” and give them a “HEART OF FLESH” (soft heart) and I (GOD) will write my Law in there “INWARD PARTS, and I will be their God and they shall be my people So you see It never was a question if we should or shouldn't keep God Commandment , but the Question is “HOW” we “KEEP” them. is it by the effectual working of God's spirit causing us to love one another or is it by the WORKS of LAW (forced compliance)? IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

Gene, AMEN!

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2013,01:44)

Terricca……….But Paul said by “WORKS” of “THE” Law. He is not addressing the rightiousness of the Law but how it “WORKS, Brother.  Paul was talking about “HOW LAW “WORKS” and the way Law Works is through fear and that produces a (forced compliance), but no flesh can be Justified that way.  I believe Paul was not talking about a Law of Justification, be cause there is no such Law of Justification because no Law can make a person right in their Hearts. WE are Justified by Grace apart from the WORKS of the LAW, he plainly told us. Commandments are not LAWS unless they are written and codified and then can be enforced. Legally. peace and love to you and yours……………………………………….gene

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ok agree ,but still the Grace that his given must be accepted to be in effect.

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca………. Amen, I agree brother.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2013,02:23)

Terricca………. Amen, I agree brother. peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene

Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, AND MAKE IT HONOURABLE.

THE LAW PUT IN OUR HEARTS,We dont break the law because we love God more than ourselves.
The law is no more written in stone.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,08:53)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2013,05:06) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 21 2013,20:31) So, what I would like to know is this: IS THERE ANY ONE ON THIS FORUM WHO BELIEVES THAT THE LAW IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO US BECAUSE WE ARE “SAVED” SO THEREFORE = THERE IS NO TEN COMMANDMENTS ANYMORE? Thanks. 2besee………..Maybe this will help. Many teach the Law has been done away with , they believe what Paul siaid did away with it. Paul said By Works of the Law shall no flesh be Justified before God. This seems on the surface to say we do not need to keep the commandments. But what was Paul really meaning by the expresion, “WORKS” of the Law. He simply was saying the WAY LAW WORKS, so lets examine how LAW “WORKS”. The word LAW implies FORCED application it also requires an enforcement method . Take our Driving Laws for instance. We all know the intent of those laws are for safty right, But without enforcement would people obey them? Some maybe but most would not, lets say you were driving in a 50 mph zone but wanted to go 60 mph, if the laws were not enforced, you could go any speed you choose to. But you knowing they are “Enforce” will keep your speed down especially when you see the enforcer present. Well the Laws of God work the same way, When God turned his Ten Commandments into LAWS it required enforcement. Remember what Moses said to the People when the “LAW” became in effect,  “for the LORD Your GOD has done this that the “FEAR” of Him be before you Face, that you Sin not”. Another words “FEAR” became the motivating Factor so they would not Sin. But what Paul was bring out was  Fear Producing “WORKS” of LAW , which came about by “FORCED COMPLIANCE” could never make there Hearts right in a Million years even if they keep those Law through the Way Law “WORKS”. By “FORCED COMPLIANCE” So what does God say about this, A day would come when I shall take out of them the “STONY HEART” and give them a “HEART OF FLESH” (soft heart) and I (GOD) will write my Law in there “INWARD PARTS, and I will be their God and they shall be my people So you see It never was a question if we should or shouldn't keep God Commandment , but the Question is “HOW” we “KEEP” them. is it by the effectual working of God's spirit causing us to love one another or is it by the WORKS of LAW (forced compliance)? IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene Gene, AMEN!

Yes, Good post Gene!

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