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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:26) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,10:45) Wakeup, Another passage with a hidden meaning though it simple to see what it means if you are seeking God's righteousness and kingdom. Those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit will not see death.
Kerwin.Labour not for the meat which perish.
All seem to be hidden from you.Labout for the meat that gives life everlasting.
**For him hath God sealed**.wakeup.
wI think kerwin as it right ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:26) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,10:45) Wakeup, Another passage with a hidden meaning though it simple to see what it means if you are seeking God's righteousness and kingdom. Those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit will not see death.
Kerwin.Labour not for the meat which perish.
All seem to be hidden from you.Labout for the meat that gives life everlasting.
**For him hath God sealed**.wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,10:54) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:26) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,10:45) Wakeup, Another passage with a hidden meaning though it simple to see what it means if you are seeking God's righteousness and kingdom. Those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit will not see death.
Kerwin.Labour not for the meat which perish.
All seem to be hidden from you.Labout for the meat that gives life everlasting.
**For him hath God sealed**.wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 1:13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Kerwin.Sadly enough; there will be sealed 144000 only.
You can not add to that number.wakeup.
Wakeup,
You do realize the book of Revelations is prophecy and like prophecy often does it uses symbolism.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2013,11:50) Wakeup, You do realize the book of Revelations is prophecy and like prophecy often does it uses symbolism.
Kerwin.What symbolism in this verse?
Revelation 7:4 ***And I heard the number of them which
were sealed***:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.It's straight and clear.
wakeup.
journey,
Where are you? If those guests of yours stay too long, you will have to call them “squatters” instead of guests.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:52) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2013,11:50) Wakeup, You do realize the book of Revelations is prophecy and like prophecy often does it uses symbolism.
Kerwin.What symbolism in this verse?
Revelation 7:4 ***And I heard the number of them which
were sealed***:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.It's straight and clear.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Do you believe that the 12 tribes mentioned are literally the 12 Israelite tribes mentioned and that there will be exactly 12000 members of each of those 12 tribes mentioned and none from the tripe that is dropped?
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,00:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:52) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2013,11:50) Wakeup, You do realize the book of Revelations is prophecy and like prophecy often does it uses symbolism.
Kerwin.What symbolism in this verse?
Revelation 7:4 ***And I heard the number of them which
were sealed***:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.It's straight and clear.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Do you believe that the 12 tribes mentioned are literally the 12 Israelite tribes mentioned and that there will be exactly 12000 members of each of those 12 tribes mentioned and none from the tripe that is dropped?
kwhat make you think that it would not be that way
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,01:31) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,00:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:52) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2013,11:50) Wakeup, You do realize the book of Revelations is prophecy and like prophecy often does it uses symbolism.
Kerwin.What symbolism in this verse?
Revelation 7:4 ***And I heard the number of them which
were sealed***:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.It's straight and clear.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Do you believe that the 12 tribes mentioned are literally the 12 Israelite tribes mentioned and that there will be exactly 12000 members of each of those 12 tribes mentioned and none from the tripe that is dropped?
kwhat make you think that it would not be that way
T,That would mean that the 144,000 were the male children of the line of Israel that will be virgins. Do you believe that is what it means? I do not believe I know anyone who says they do.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,01:59) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,01:31) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,00:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:52) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2013,11:50) Wakeup, You do realize the book of Revelations is prophecy and like prophecy often does it uses symbolism.
Kerwin.What symbolism in this verse?
Revelation 7:4 ***And I heard the number of them which
were sealed***:
and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.It's straight and clear.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Do you believe that the 12 tribes mentioned are literally the 12 Israelite tribes mentioned and that there will be exactly 12000 members of each of those 12 tribes mentioned and none from the tripe that is dropped?
kwhat make you think that it would not be that way
T,That would mean that the 144,000 were the male children of the line of Israel that will be virgins. Do you believe that is what it means? I do not believe I know anyone who says they do.
kno ,kerwin ,you have it wrong ;
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.Rev 7:2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israelthe 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical,
not all will go to heaven ;only those that are chosen to go there, i do not see if they are male or female is it not based on who does the will of God
scriptures say so right ?T,
Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kwas not the apostles married
yes he was this is not corruption ,lust is corruption ,blameless means what
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,07:34) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
T.What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?Please answer:
Were all the apostles physically virgins?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,04:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,07:34) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
T.What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?Please answer:
Were all the apostles physically virgins?
wakeup.
wQuote What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?BOTH;
Quote Were all the apostles physically virgins? THEY WHERE WHEN THE CAME INTO THE NEW COVENANT
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,10:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,04:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,07:34) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
T.What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?Please answer:
Were all the apostles physically virgins?
wakeup.
wQuote What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?BOTH;
Quote Were all the apostles physically virgins? THEY WHERE WHEN THE CAME INTO THE NEW COVENANT
T.1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, ***all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal***, and ***every mouth which hath not kissed him***.
Nothing physical in this scripture?(all about worship).
So where is youre scripture *saying* what you have said?
**All become virgins as soon they accept Christ**.
Christians are still having children,and are married.
How can they be physical virgins?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,10:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,04:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,07:34) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
T.What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?Please answer:
Were all the apostles physically virgins?
wakeup.
wQuote What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?BOTH;
Quote Were all the apostles physically virgins? THEY WHERE WHEN THE CAME INTO THE NEW COVENANT
T.1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, ***all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal***, and ***every mouth which hath not kissed him***.
Nothing physical in this scripture?(all about worship).
So where is youre scripture *saying* what you have said?
**All become virgins as soon they accept Christ**.
Christians are still having children,and are married.
How can they be physical virgins?wakeup.
wQuote **All become virgins as soon they accept Christ**. 1Ki 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel—all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him.”
do you really understand this scripture
bowing your knees ;is a physical act , and kiss him (false god) is also a physical act ;
BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO ACTION WITHOUT THE THINKING OF THE ACTIONS ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE JEWS KNOWING JEHOVAH LAWS ;SO THEY HAVE CORRUPTED THEM SELVES ON BOTH ACCOUNTS ;
YOU DO NOT READ WHAT I SAY ONLY THINK OF WHAT YOU WANT TO READ AND SO BE CONFUSED ,
2CO 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.
AND NO WE DO NOT BECOME VIRGIN AS SOON AS WE ACCEPTING CHRIST ,WE ALL ARE SINNERS AND SIN WILL ONLY BE FORGIVEN IF WE HAVE STAID FAITHFUL UNTIL THE END OF OUR LIVES OR THE RETURN OF CHRIST ,READ THE SCRIPTURES PAUL SAY SO
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,12:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,10:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,04:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,07:34) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
T.What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?Please answer:
Were all the apostles physically virgins?
wakeup.
wQuote What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?BOTH;
Quote Were all the apostles physically virgins? THEY WHERE WHEN THE CAME INTO THE NEW COVENANT
T.1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, ***all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal***, and ***every mouth which hath not kissed him***.
Nothing physical in this scripture?(all about worship).
So where is youre scripture *saying* what you have said?
**All become virgins as soon they accept Christ**.
Christians are still having children,and are married.
How can they be physical virgins?wakeup.
wQuote **All become virgins as soon they accept Christ**. 1Ki 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel—all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him.”
do you really understand this scripture
bowing your knees ;is a physical act , and kiss him (false god) is also a physical act ;
BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO ACTION WITHOUT THE THINKING OF THE ACTIONS ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE JEWS KNOWING JEHOVAH LAWS ;SO THEY HAVE CORRUPTED THEM SELVES ON BOTH ACCOUNTS ;
YOU DO NOT READ WHAT I SAY ONLY THINK OF WHAT YOU WANT TO READ AND SO BE CONFUSED ,
2CO 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.
AND NO WE DO NOT BECOME VIRGIN AS SOON AS WE ACCEPTING CHRIST ,WE ALL ARE SINNERS AND SIN WILL ONLY BE FORGIVEN IF WE HAVE STAID FAITHFUL UNTIL THE END OF OUR LIVES OR THE RETURN OF CHRIST ,READ THE SCRIPTURES PAUL SAY SO
T.You are dancing with words.
You said: *both*, physical virgins, and spiritual virgins.
Now your are swiching to physical works,and spiritual works.The topic was; *VIRGINS*
Are the 144k spiritual virgins,physical virgins,or both?
You said *BOTH*.
Then switching it to works; but that was not the topic.Quote THEY WHERE WHEN THE CAME INTO THE NEW COVENANT Meaning: they were not virgins *before* they came into the new covenant. Then they **became virgins** as soon they come into the new covenant.
Then you deny saying it.Quote
AND NO WE *DO NOT BECOME VIRGIN AS SOON AS WE ACCEPTING CHRIST* ,WE ALL ARE SINNERS AND SIN WILL ONLY BE FORGIVEN IF WE HAVE STAID FAITHFUL UNTIL THE END OF OUR LIVES OR THE RETURN OF CHRIST ,READ THE SCRIPTURES PAUL SAY SOYour first quote, and your second quote, are contradictory.
Welcome to the land of confusion.
Keep on dancing.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,07:38) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,12:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,06:48) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,10:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,04:51) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,07:34) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
T.What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?Please answer:
Were all the apostles physically virgins?
wakeup.
wQuote What exactly are you saying?
Is it physical;spiritual;or both?BOTH;
Quote Were all the apostles physically virgins? THEY WHERE WHEN THE CAME INTO THE NEW COVENANT
T.1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, ***all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal***, and ***every mouth which hath not kissed him***.
Nothing physical in this scripture?(all about worship).
So where is youre scripture *saying* what you have said?
**All become virgins as soon they accept Christ**.
Christians are still having children,and are married.
How can they be physical virgins?wakeup.
wQuote **All become virgins as soon they accept Christ**. 1Ki 19:18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel—all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him.”
do you really understand this scripture
bowing your knees ;is a physical act , and kiss him (false god) is also a physical act ;
BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO ACTION WITHOUT THE THINKING OF THE ACTIONS ,AND UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE JEWS KNOWING JEHOVAH LAWS ;SO THEY HAVE CORRUPTED THEM SELVES ON BOTH ACCOUNTS ;
YOU DO NOT READ WHAT I SAY ONLY THINK OF WHAT YOU WANT TO READ AND SO BE CONFUSED ,
2CO 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.
AND NO WE DO NOT BECOME VIRGIN AS SOON AS WE ACCEPTING CHRIST ,WE ALL ARE SINNERS AND SIN WILL ONLY BE FORGIVEN IF WE HAVE STAID FAITHFUL UNTIL THE END OF OUR LIVES OR THE RETURN OF CHRIST ,READ THE SCRIPTURES PAUL SAY SO
T.You are dancing with words.
You said: *both*, physical virgins, and spiritual virgins.
Now your are swiching to physical works,and spiritual works.The topic was; *VIRGINS*
Are the 144k spiritual virgins,physical virgins,or both?
You said *BOTH*.
Then switching it to works; but that was not the topic.Quote THEY WHERE WHEN THE CAME INTO THE NEW COVENANT Meaning: they were not virgins *before* they came into the new covenant. Then they **became virgins** as soon they come into the new covenant.
Then you deny saying it.Quote
AND NO WE *DO NOT BECOME VIRGIN AS SOON AS WE ACCEPTING CHRIST* ,WE ALL ARE SINNERS AND SIN WILL ONLY BE FORGIVEN IF WE HAVE STAID FAITHFUL UNTIL THE END OF OUR LIVES OR THE RETURN OF CHRIST ,READ THE SCRIPTURES PAUL SAY SOYour first quote, and your second quote, are contradictory.
Welcome to the land of confusion.
Keep on dancing.wakeup.
WYOU ARE WRONG ,AND DO NOT READ OR UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ,INSULTING OR BELITTLING PEOPLE DOES NOT MAKE YOU A TRUE AND HONEST PERSON,
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEW COVENANT STAND FOR AND HOW YOU TAKE PART OF IT ;
LIKE I SAY AND ALWAYS HAVE SAID ;VIRGIN IS ON BOTH ACCOUNT ,IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE UNDERSTANDING ,READ THE BIBLE OR CHANGE YOUR VERSION ,
YOUR JEALOUSY ,IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH WITHOUT ME ,BUT IN THE MEAN TIME DO NOT TRY TO TAKE ME WITH YOU IN SLANDERING ME OVER BEING CONTRADICTORY AND CONFUSED ,
Ps 18:1 I love you, O LORD, my strength.
Ps 18:2 The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge.
He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Ps 18:3 I call to the LORD, who is worthy of praise,
and I am saved from my enemies.Ps 1:4 Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
Ps 1:5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.Ps 7:8 let the LORD judge the peoples.
Judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness,
according to my integrity, O Most High.
Ps 7:9 O righteous God,
who searches minds and hearts,
bring to an end the violence of the wicked
and make the righteous secure.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 23 2013,02:34) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,02:21) T, Quote the 144k is true ;but being virgin in a sexual way is to be seen in a spiritual way as well as physical, You seem to be saying that the physical symbolizes the spiritual?
kthat is not what i said ,i said it as to be understood in both ways ;physical corruption and spiritual corruption ,because those are the only two possibilities we can corrupt our selves
and those two can also keep us virgin from it ,meaning BLAMELESS
T,The only way a man to defile himself with woman is to commit a sex sin with a woman. A man can have sex with a woman without defiling himself.
Revelation 14:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
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