The spirit of Antichrist

[GeneBalthrop]

Shimmer……………> The man of sin is not the Spirit (intellect) of Antichrist. Actually the man of Sin Is the false (IMAGE) of Jesus portrayed as a GOD . The Trinity, it takes a MAN (Jesus) and turns him into a GOD it is the LIE Mentioned there In 2ths2 . Jesus is the only one who Now sits in the temple of GOD, and being displayed as a GOD by nearly all Christianity. This false (IMAGE) of Him is what creates the IMAGE of the MAN of SIN, Paul was talking about there in 2 Ths 2.

Shimmer , i have written a completely article on the Man of SIN and it was published in the Acts magazine several years ago. I have also posted it here once or twice. The man of Sin is not a real Person , it is a (FALSE IMAGE) of Jesus that portrays him as a GOD and causes people to worship him as such. This teaching became full blown at the council of Nacia in 325 AD where the term Homoussious (God From God) a word coined by Emperor Constantine

I haven't been posting much lately because i wanted Paladin and Wispring to give the Greek Proof texts and was hoping it would help Mike and Pierre and Irene. But it doesn't seem to be having any effect so far. I also was out of town for about a week visiting my son in Monterey Ca. I love it on the Coast and wouldn't mind living there.

Peace and love to you and yours Shimmer…………………………………….gene

[karmarie]

Wow Gene that is really interesting. Glad to hear your ok too. I hadn't seen you posting as much. The forum has got really quiet these days.

But OK… I remember when I was driven to read the bible… something just didn't seem right to me in what I was hearing people say. I was like “what about the Father?” “what about God?” I hear so much about Jesus but not God the Father. But I feel wrong thinking that too or saying it.

Ok I need to look at those verses later when I'm not so rushed.

[GeneBalthrop]

Shimmer………………I used to think the same way, i would think , everyone worships Jesus and constantly talking about him , but never about the Father GOD, who Jesus never stopped talking about. I think that is what lead me into taking a different look at things then most “Christianity” did. I would ask people and still do at time why don't you people ever talk about God the Father, like Jesus alway did. When i Pray i ask GOD the FATHER HIMSELF and speak directly to HIM, and i have had Many Prayers answered in my life. I try to let nothing come between me and the Father not even Jesus, I see myself as being beside Jesus in our worship of the FATHER ONLY>  

peace and love to you and yours Shimmer………………………………………..gene

[karmarie]

Gene,

I know what your saying.

This is sort of off topic but,

“2 Thessalonians 2:7…”For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way.”

It got me thinking to other things (the restrainer) which many believe to be the Holy Spirit and how in the last days it will be either diminished or removed from the earth and something just hasn't been right lately. Maybe it's just me, I don't know. But this is what I found on a Google search. I don't agree with a lot of what this man says. but took from it what could.

Quote; – “It is as if there is an aura that radiates from the body of every Christian in the world. And that aura is the literal hand of God reaching out and holding back evil.

So why is the earth becoming so filled with badness and why do I believe it is because the Holy Spirit's influence is subsiding?… I believe it is because there are just fewer and fewer truly born-again Christians.

Now, you may argue the point that there are folks getting saved and many churches growing faster than ever. Yes, that appears to be the case… Appearances can be very deceiving.

They view their salvation as if it were a ticket to Heaven. They think that, by saying a little prayer, their eternal destiny is sealed. But what they don't understand is that their words are empty because they didn't come from within the heart and soul of that person…  The prayer they said was a good prayer and God heard their prayer. But He is still God and He has not changed. He knows the heart of each of us. And He knows the difference between those who love Him and those who simply want something for nothing.

Remember when Jesus was hanging on the cross between the two thieves? One said to him, “If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.” But the other was repentant and asked Jesus to remember him when He came into his kingdom. Both were about to die. Neither had the opportunity to do any good thing on this earth, yet, Jesus told the second thief that he would be with Him in Paradise on that very day.

One went to Heaven and the other to hell. What made the difference? The one who simply wanted to be saved from dieing, and going to hell, ended up going there. The one who was ashamed of his sin, recognized his sinful condition as compared to that of Jesus, and was repentant, was told by Jesus that he was saved.

Today's churches seem to be filled more and more with people who want what the first thief wanted: To be saved and go to Heaven when they die.  

The poor folks in the first group live empty lives devoid of the Holy Spirit and His power. And, as this group grows in size while the other group gets smaller and smaller each day, we find that the influence of the Holy Spirit becomes weaker and weaker. And as His influence weakens, the influence of spiritual wickedness gains more and more power.

The Holy Spirit dwells within the body of truly born-again Christians. And there are fewer and fewer truly born-again Christians around with each passing day.” – Unquote.

http://www.mrkent.com/devotionals/devotions/whatishappening.htm

[karmarie]

Gene, my post above is off topic, no need to reply.

Peace and love to you and yours too Gene.
Later.

[terraricca]

All

simple question ;what is a Antichrist ?

first he is not for Christ in any way,he so does not support the Kingdom of Christ ,and so does not have an interest in the spirit of Christ to serve God.

now ;he is well aware of Christ kingdom because he came out of Christ rang.so i would say that the Antichrist is a person who as a personal agenda rather than the one of the kingdom,and like Satan he is self oriented.

and having a different view on somethings in scriptures does not make someone a Antichrist unless it is to create division for the purpose of self indulging interest of any kind.

now someone who voluntary knows that is believes are not supported by the scriptures and yet teach them this is and Antichrist as well, because he reject truth.

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

Shimmer…………John coined the phrase Antichrist, but notice he did not say it was a Particular person He said it was the spirit of Antichrist. Actually it is a teaching that is against the Christos or anointing Spirit. It can be taken two way in my opinion One like Paladin explained that is to say the LOGOS of GOD came into the flesh of the Man Jesus, and the other is to deny Jesus came into his existence in the flesh at the time of his berth on earth. Both may apply also, So anything that goes against these teachings could be considered , the Spirit of Antichrist , IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………gene

[Baker]

To look for the answer in the Bible, here is what it says about Anti_Christ…
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jo 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Many Anti-Christ have come, and the Catholic Church is one of them…..

Peace Irene

[Baker]

Quote (karmarie @ April 30 2011,10:36)

Irene, I think this is a really important topic that should be studied. I would like to get hold of that book you speak about, might look in the Library. I'm not sure of the book of Revelations because it's really hard to understand and piece it all together. But the word's of Paul of the Man of sin and the falling away is what I would like to look at more closely.

I do know what you are saying, but we used to belong to the Catholic Church and I know for certain what their practice are. The Book of Revelation, if I remember correctly Mr. Armstrong wrote. We have the Book of Revelation written by the Jehovah Witnesses. Rev. 1 says this
Rev 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.
Its been awhile since I looked into this. When I first learned of this, it upset me very much, that my beloved Catholic Church is one of the Anti-Christs……When you read ” The Two Babylonians,” read it over again, it is hard to understand …………
Peace Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

To All……………If a person does not know what Spirit is , how could he or she possible know what the Spirit of Antichrist is ?
Spirit is (INTELLECT) derived from a cognate understanding in the mind. The Spiirt of Antichrist is the intellect that speaks against who and what Christ (the anointing was and is)> The Logos came and dwelt (IN) the Flesh man (Jesus) Therefore those who deny that the Christos (anointing Logos) of GOD came in the flesh are anti- Christos . IMO

peace and love to you all……………………………….gene

[Tim Kraft]

Gene: I do appreciate your posts. They always have much truth. We are very close in much interpretation. I personally see the Father God, the Sons of God and the whole Spirit as ONE! Names or identities are unnecessary in spirit, when you say one, you have said the other also. There is one lord God, one spirit, one true life, one message, one truth and billions of souls all joined as ONE all joined by faith. One tree of life. The life of the tree we feed off of when we are grafted into the tree by faith. The life of the tree is many from ONE! Separation of the annointing of God would be rejection of Christ, that is for all who believe! A person would then be anti-christ. IMO, TK

[GeneBalthrop]

Tim……….Yes all who go against the LOGOS or CHRISTOS are anti- CHRISTOS'S, it is quite simple, only MYSTERY RELIGIONS have confused the truth of God. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Tim……………………………gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 10 2011,08:30)

Tim……….Yes all who go against the LOGOS or CHRISTOS are anti- CHRISTOS'S,  it is quite simple, only MYSTERY RELIGIONS have confused the truth of God. IMO peace and love to you and yours Tim……………………………gene

gene

once again this comment of your is not true;
Mt 12:32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man (Christ)will be forgiven

so your description of the antichrist does not stand.

I never could understand why people do not let scriptures talk for themself

1Jn 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
2Jn 1:7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

if you do not understand this I could explain it to you.

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca…………..It is not i who do not understand those scriptures it is you my friend, because your have not understood what they truly mean, Do you even Know what the CHRISTOS (IS) or what John meant when he said “THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF “ANTICHRIST. How can you if you do not even know what SPIRIT Is . John was not only talking about Jesus coming in the flesh but he was also talking about the Christos or the ANOINTING LOGOS coming into the flesh, the man Jesus who also came into existence at his berth on earth as a flesh and blood being, not an (INCARNATE BEING) as you and the rest of the Trinitarians and Preexistences believe. IMO

Pierre, Quoting scripture after scripture means nothing if you do not know and explain what it is truly saying. Do You think by just rambling on with scriptures you don't truly understand or explain , means anything? It is like where Jesus quoted Isaiah saying seeing they see not hearing they hear not, not one scripture means anything if it is not understood, And explained. IMO

Peace and love………………………………..gene

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