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  • #350489
    GeneBalthrop
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    Kerwin…….See the confusion you get into with these Lessor or grater Gods thing. Fact is as i have said many times here ther is Just TWO COMPONETS to the ORIGINAL word for A GOD and BOTH Must be applied to that Word everytime it is used. ONE is a symbol of a STAFF (meaning what you trust in and lean on for support) the other is a symbol of Strenght (OX) head, There is no other form of the word for GOD used in the original Hebrew scriptures,

    Saying people in places of power and rule are God is false becasue while they may have POWER the are not what we (TRUST IN) so they simply do not have bothe of those requirement to be a God.

    As i have said  anything can be a God to a person even an ant, after all it also has power, so to Terricca and Mike they are Gods only little gods, and on and on their confusion goes, never able to tell us where the line stop as to being a God becasue they refuse to incorporate “BOTH MEANINGS TO THE WORD FOR A GOD.  It all a Lie  there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD and THERE ARE NO OTHER GODS of ANYKIND at leas to me that is, they can have billions of them in their religion they preach. As i have told you they need to have more then one God so they can corrupt John 1:1 to make Jessu a “little” God of somekind.IMO

    Again if the meanings of TRUST and POWER are not incorperated into the term GOD it then is FALSE. And those words can be incorporated into anything even stone, wood, idoligies,persons, powers, and just about anything that exists If a Man Ascribes Power and trust and leans on it or them for support having his faith in it or them , then they ARE A GOD TO HIM, rather true or NOT now that is a different question, God the Father said He was the ONLY GOD he even said He LOOKED for other Gods and found NONE. So why do men look for other and find them, are they better then Our GOD at identifying who is a God or NOT? These Liars are using human carnal logic to support their false teachings, Like Pierre saying our God is a God of Gods , and yes it does say that , but what they fail to realize those Gods are False God made up in the minds of people like them, they are not “TRUE GODS” and that is the differences, there is only one true God and he is the God of Jesus and all creation, all other are simply “FALSE” Gods. Just that simple. Don't get sucked into their false teachings Kerwin.

    peace and love to you and your……………………………………gene

    #350491
    kerwin
    Participant

    Gene,

    Scripture calls even idols gods, so in some way they are the one God.  An idol is obviously not the same kind as God, nor is an ant, an angel, or a human even though Scripture calls them god.

    I can call a human a beast and a cat a beast and yet the human is a beast in its action while the cat is a beast in kind.

    I get the impression that some want god to mean those with spirit bodies, a concept that is alien to Scripture.

    Don't let anyone get you into arguments over words.

    #350574
    jammin
    Participant

    kerwin,

    you have a homework. pls see who is the word in john 1.1 topic.

    i am waiting boy

    #350591
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,12:10)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,13:32)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,13:12)
    T,

    There is no clause “lesser god” in Scripture.  The meaning of god when applied to Jehovah is different when than when applied to a man or an angel.  When he says there is no gods but him then he is using an exclusive meaning that does not apply to anyone else.

    When Scripture states Jehovah is gods of gods he using the first gods as a singular and the second as a plural.  A god is a little superior to man while the gods is a multitude of times superior to both man and angel.


    K

    Lesser god is the expression that they are not all the same either in action or powers,

    So yes they are so lesser,than the almighty God Jehovah ,none is like him.

    And yes when it says gods it apply s to any mighty ones (gods)either in heaven or on earth ,


    T,

    They are not even the same kind as God is a kind all of his own.


    K

    you got it wrong,in the reference to God almighty when God himself speaks HE ADD AFTER HIS TITLE ;WHY HE HIS THE TRUE GOD AND SO ADD WHAT HE DID ,AND SO IT IS WITH THE RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE THAT CALL ON HIS NAME ,

    and THIS IS THE DISTINCTION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND OTHER GODS (OTHER GODS DO NOT HAVE THOSE WORKS )

    YOU TO START TO BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES ,

    #350595
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2013,23:25)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,12:10)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,13:32)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,13:12)
    T,

    There is no clause “lesser god” in Scripture.  The meaning of god when applied to Jehovah is different when than when applied to a man or an angel.  When he says there is no gods but him then he is using an exclusive meaning that does not apply to anyone else.

    When Scripture states Jehovah is gods of gods he using the first gods as a singular and the second as a plural.  A god is a little superior to man while the gods is a multitude of times superior to both man and angel.


    K

    Lesser god is the expression that they are not all the same either in action or powers,

    So yes they are so lesser,than the almighty God Jehovah ,none is like him.

    And yes when it says gods it apply s to any mighty ones (gods)either in heaven or on earth ,


    T,

    They are not even the same kind as God is a kind all of his own.


    K

    you got it wrong,in the reference to God almighty when God himself speaks HE ADD AFTER HIS TITLE ;WHY HE HIS THE TRUE GOD AND SO ADD WHAT HE DID ,AND SO IT IS WITH THE RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE THAT CALL ON HIS NAME ,

    and THIS IS THE DISTINCTION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND OTHER GODS (OTHER GODS DO NOT HAVE THOSE WORKS )

    YOU TO START TO BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES ,


    T,

    God is not an angel.
    God is not created as angels are.
    God is the source, angels are not.

    #350637
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Tearrica………so you know why GOD is the ONLY TRUE GOD , but you lie, because you believe that there are other “TRUE” GODS, Do you know the difference between what the word true and false mean , and if I said there is ONLY “ONE” that is TRUE, that also means, ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE? Just plain common sense should tell you that. It dosen't take a genius to figure that out. IMO

    Peace and love……………………………..gene

    #350648
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,02:23)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2013,23:25)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,12:10)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,13:32)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,13:12)
    T,

    There is no clause “lesser god” in Scripture.  The meaning of god when applied to Jehovah is different when than when applied to a man or an angel.  When he says there is no gods but him then he is using an exclusive meaning that does not apply to anyone else.

    When Scripture states Jehovah is gods of gods he using the first gods as a singular and the second as a plural.  A god is a little superior to man while the gods is a multitude of times superior to both man and angel.


    K

    Lesser god is the expression that they are not all the same either in action or powers,

    So yes they are so lesser,than the almighty God Jehovah ,none is like him.

    And yes when it says gods it apply s to any mighty ones (gods)either in heaven or on earth ,


    T,

    They are not even the same kind as God is a kind all of his own.


    K

    you got it wrong,in the reference to God almighty when God himself speaks HE ADD AFTER HIS TITLE ;WHY HE HIS THE TRUE GOD AND SO ADD WHAT HE DID ,AND SO IT IS WITH THE RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE THAT CALL ON HIS NAME ,

    and THIS IS THE DISTINCTION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND OTHER GODS (OTHER GODS DO NOT HAVE THOSE WORKS )

    YOU TO START TO BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES ,


    T,

    God is not an angel.
    God is not created as angels are.
    God is the source, angels are not.


    kerwin

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    God is not an angel.
    God is not created as angels are.
    God is the source, angels are not.

    first I never said that the God of creation is an angel ;but he his a spirit ,

    I always have claim that God almighty of creation HIS NOT CREATED ,

    and yes God almighty the creator his the source of all things ,

    but that does not answered my comment

    #350650
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2013,20:27)
    Tear rica………so you know why GOD is the ONLY TRUE GOD , but you lie because you believe that ther are other TRUE GODS, Do you know the difference between what the word true and false mean , and if I said there is ONLY “ONE” that is TRUE, tha means ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE? Just plain common sense should tell you that. It dosen't take a genius to figure that out. IMO

    Peace and love……………………………..gene


    gene

    you are in denial ,you are just rejecting the scriptures where it says that the true God his THE GOD OF GODS when you will accept scriptures you will see that they are all true .

    #350665
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,21:41)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 13 2013,02:23)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2013,23:25)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 11 2013,12:10)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,13:32)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,13:12)
    T,

    There is no clause “lesser god” in Scripture.  The meaning of god when applied to Jehovah is different when than when applied to a man or an angel.  When he says there is no gods but him then he is using an exclusive meaning that does not apply to anyone else.

    When Scripture states Jehovah is gods of gods he using the first gods as a singular and the second as a plural.  A god is a little superior to man while the gods is a multitude of times superior to both man and angel.


    K

    Lesser god is the expression that they are not all the same either in action or powers,

    So yes they are so lesser,than the almighty God Jehovah ,none is like him.

    And yes when it says gods it apply s to any mighty ones (gods)either in heaven or on earth ,


    T,

    They are not even the same kind as God is a kind all of his own.


    K

    you got it wrong,in the reference to God almighty when God himself speaks HE ADD AFTER HIS TITLE ;WHY HE HIS THE TRUE GOD AND SO ADD WHAT HE DID ,AND SO IT IS WITH THE RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE THAT CALL ON HIS NAME ,

    and THIS IS THE DISTINCTION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND OTHER GODS (OTHER GODS DO NOT HAVE THOSE WORKS )

    YOU TO START TO BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES ,


    T,

    God is not an angel.
    God is not created as angels are.
    God is the source, angels are not.


    kerwin

    Quote
    God is not an angel.
    God is not created as angels are.
    God is the source, angels are not.

    first I never said that the God of creation is an angel ;but he his a spirit ,

    I always have claim that God almighty of creation HIS NOT CREATED ,

    and yes God almighty the creator his the source of all things ,

    but that does not answered my comment


    T,

    God's angels have never sinned though they were tempted by evil at one time. God, the source of righteousness, cannot be tempted by evil. This is another way in which Jehovah is the only God.

    #350667
    terraricca
    Participant

    K

    Quote
    T,

    God's angels have never sinned though they were tempted by evil at one time. God, the source of righteousness, cannot be tempted by evil. This is another way in which Jehovah is the only God.

    Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

    Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

    Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD

    who are the sons of God in these verses ???

    2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
    2PE 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

    it seems you are not right in saying that angels do not sin ,at least not in scriptures

    YOU SAY “GOD'S ANGELS ,BUT ARE NOT ALL ANGELS OF GOD ,DID HE CREATED THEM SINNER NO THEY BECAME SINNERS JUST AS MEN BECAME A SINNER ,SO YOUR QUOTE OF “GOD'S ANGELS “IS MISLEADING AT BEST .

    #350679
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,02:48)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2013,20:27)
    Tear rica………so you know why GOD is the ONLY TRUE GOD , but you lie because you believe that ther are other TRUE GODS, Do you know the difference between what the word true and false mean , and if I said there is ONLY “ONE” that is TRUE, tha means ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE? Just plain common sense should tell you that. It dosen't take a genius to figure that out. IMO

    Peace and love……………………………..gene


    gene

    you are in denial ,you are just rejecting the scriptures where it says that the true God his THE GOD OF GODS when you will accept scriptures you will see that they are all true .


    Terricca …….I am not in denial, you are in denial Pierre, . God is the God of all those , “False” God created in the minds of pagan and false teachers, who believe in other Gods, while all the time denying , the clear scripture that say there is just  ONE “TRUE” GOD, do you even have an Idea what the meaning of TRUE is, and the WORD FALSE IS, common sense should tell you it there is ONLY ONE  that is TRUE,  all other have to be FALSE. Believe what you want to PIERRE , I am done t
    King to you about yours and Mikes false teachings let The only True God deal with you both about you IDOLATROUS teachings .

    #350681
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 14 2013,08:37)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,02:48)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2013,20:27)
    Tear rica………so you know why GOD is the ONLY TRUE GOD , but you lie because you believe that ther are other TRUE GODS, Do you know the difference between what the word true and false mean , and if I said there is ONLY “ONE” that is TRUE, tha means ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE? Just plain common sense should tell you that. It dosen't take a genius to figure that out. IMO

    Peace and love……………………………..gene


    gene

    you are in denial ,you are just rejecting the scriptures where it says that the true God his THE GOD OF GODS when you will accept scriptures you will see that they are all true .


    Terrifically…….I am not in denial, you are in denial Pierre, . God is the God of all those , “False” God created in the minds of pagan and false teachers, who believe in other Gods, while all the time denying , the clear scripture that say there is just  ONE “TRUE” GOD, do you even have an Idea what the meaning of TRUE is, and the WORD FALSE IS, common sense should tell you it there is ONLY ONE  that is TRUE,  all other have to be FALSE. Believe what you want to PIERRE , I am done t
    King to you about yours and Mikes false teachings let The only True God deal with you both about you IDOLATROUS teachings .


    gene

    you are only blabber your mouth off ,but scriptures answers is not present ,running on half truth ,and when corrected run like a rabbit that has seen the wolf

    #350731
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,13:42)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 14 2013,08:37)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,02:48)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2013,20:27)
    Tear rica………so you know why GOD is the ONLY TRUE GOD , but you lie because you believe that ther are other TRUE GODS, Do you know the difference between what the word true and false mean , and if I said there is ONLY “ONE” that is TRUE, tha means ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE? Just plain common sense should tell you that. It dosen't take a genius to figure that out. IMO

    Peace and love……………………………..gene


    gene

    you are in denial ,you are just rejecting the scriptures where it says that the true God his THE GOD OF GODS when you will accept scriptures you will see that they are all true .


    Terrifically…….I am not in denial, you are in denial Pierre, . God is the God of all those , “False” God created in the minds of pagan and false teachers, who believe in other Gods, while all the time denying , the clear scripture that say there is just  ONE “TRUE” GOD, do you even have an Idea what the meaning of TRUE is, and the WORD FALSE IS, common sense should tell you it there is ONLY ONE  that is TRUE,  all other have to be FALSE. Believe what you want to PIERRE , I am done t
    King to you about yours and Mikes false teachings let The only True God deal with you both about you IDOLATROUS teachings .


    gene

    you are only blabber your mouth off ,but scriptures answers is not present ,running on half truth ,and when corrected run like a rabbit that has seen the wolf


    Terricca……The only babbler here is YOU, why don't you answer my questions, instead of babbling off all kinds of garbage, do you know the difference between the words “ONLY” TRUE GOD , WHICH MAKES ALL OTHERS “FALSE” GODS. Seems you don't understand the English language or just ignore the truth. DO you know even what an IDOLATOR IS, SEENING YOU BELIEVE IN ALL KIND OF OTHER “TRUE” GODS.

    Pierre, face the truth, you are here only to cause confusions and distortions of truth, you are nothing but a false teacher, and if there is anyone here who preaches “half truths” IT IS YOU . I have quoted direct scriptures from Paul, Jesus, and GOD the FATHER HIMSELF, and you just ignore them and twist up those scriptures to meet your DOGMAS.

    gene

    #350733
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 14 2013,20:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,13:42)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 14 2013,08:37)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,02:48)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2013,20:27)
    Tear rica………so you know why GOD is the ONLY TRUE GOD , but you lie because you believe that ther are other TRUE GODS, Do you know the difference between what the word true and false mean , and if I said there is ONLY “ONE” that is TRUE, tha means ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE? Just plain common sense should tell you that. It dosen't take a genius to figure that out. IMO

    Peace and love……………………………..gene


    gene

    you are in denial ,you are just rejecting the scriptures where it says that the true God his THE GOD OF GODS when you will accept scriptures you will see that they are all true .


    Terrifically…….I am not in denial, you are in denial Pierre, . God is the God of all those , “False” God created in the minds of pagan and false teachers, who believe in other Gods, while all the time denying , the clear scripture that say there is just  ONE “TRUE” GOD, do you even have an Idea what the meaning of TRUE is, and the WORD FALSE IS, common sense should tell you it there is ONLY ONE  that is TRUE,  all other have to be FALSE. Believe what you want to PIERRE , I am done t
    King to you about yours and Mikes false teachings let The only True God deal with you both about you IDOLATROUS teachings .


    gene

    you are only blabber your mouth off ,but scriptures answers is not present ,running on half truth ,and when corrected run like a rabbit that has seen the wolf


    Terricca……The only babbler here is YOU, why don't you answer my questions, instead of babbling off all kinds of garbage, do you know the difference between the words “ONLY” TRUE GOD , WHICH MAKES ALL OTHERS “FALSE” GODS. Seems you don't understand the English language or just ignore the truth. DO you know even what an IDOLATOR IS, SEENING YOU BELIEVE IN ALL KIND OF OTHER “TRUE” GODS.

    Pierre,  face the truth, you are here only to cause confusions and distortions of truth, you are nothing but a false teacher, and if there is anyone here who preaches “half truths” IT IS YOU . I have quoted direct scriptures from Paul, Jesus, and GOD the FATHER HIMSELF, and you just ignore them and twist up those scriptures to meet your DOGMAS.

    gene


    bye,bye gene

    #350768
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,04:13)
    K

    Quote
    T,

    God's angels have never sinned though they were tempted by evil at one time.  God, the source of righteousness, cannot be tempted by evil. This is another way in which Jehovah is the only God.

    Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

    Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

    Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD

    who are the sons of God in these verses ???

    2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
    2PE 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

    it seems you are not right in saying that angels do not sin ,at least not in scriptures

    YOU SAY “GOD'S ANGELS ,BUT ARE NOT ALL ANGELS OF GOD ,DID HE CREATED THEM SINNER NO THEY BECAME SINNERS JUST AS MEN BECAME A SINNER ,SO YOUR QUOTE OF “GOD'S ANGELS “IS MISLEADING AT BEST .


    T,

    Job is too vague to prove Satan is or is not a son of God.

    All being created by God are his children but that is not the sense I was using.

    I did not state God's angels were created sinners. I stated at one time they were tempted by evil.

    #350802
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,02:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,04:13)
    K

    Quote
    T,

    God's angels have never sinned though they were tempted by evil at one time.  God, the source of righteousness, cannot be tempted by evil. This is another way in which Jehovah is the only God.

    Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

    Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

    Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD

    who are the sons of God in these verses ???

    2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
    2PE 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

    it seems you are not right in saying that angels do not sin ,at least not in scriptures

    YOU SAY “GOD'S ANGELS ,BUT ARE NOT ALL ANGELS OF GOD ,DID HE CREATED THEM SINNER NO THEY BECAME SINNERS JUST AS MEN BECAME A SINNER ,SO YOUR QUOTE OF “GOD'S ANGELS “IS MISLEADING AT BEST .


    T,

    Job is too vague to prove Satan is or is not a son of God.

    All being created by God are his children but that is not the sense I was using.

    I did not state God's angels were created sinners.  I stated at one time they were tempted by evil.


    K

    your answer is to the scriptures not to me ,I only mention God's words to you ,but you do with it what is in your heart ,your actions are seen by angels ,so it is not for me to argue if you do not want to accept God's word the way he forward to us ,

    your problem friend,

    #350806
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ July 15 2013,19:59)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,02:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,04:13)
    K

    Quote
    T,

    God's angels have never sinned though they were tempted by evil at one time.  God, the source of righteousness, cannot be tempted by evil. This is another way in which Jehovah is the only God.

    Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

    Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

    Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD

    who are the sons of God in these verses ???

    2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
    2PE 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

    it seems you are not right in saying that angels do not sin ,at least not in scriptures

    YOU SAY “GOD'S ANGELS ,BUT ARE NOT ALL ANGELS OF GOD ,DID HE CREATED THEM SINNER NO THEY BECAME SINNERS JUST AS MEN BECAME A SINNER ,SO YOUR QUOTE OF “GOD'S ANGELS “IS MISLEADING AT BEST .


    T,

    Job is too vague to prove Satan is or is not a son of God.

    All being created by God are his children but that is not the sense I was using.

    I did not state God's angels were created sinners.  I stated at one time they were tempted by evil.


    K

    your answer is to the scriptures not to me ,I only mention God's words to you ,but you do with it what is in your heart ,your actions are seen by angels ,so it is not for me to argue if you do not want to accept God's word the way he forward to us ,

    your problem friend,


    T,

    My answer is to you about understanding Scriptures. It is a conversation. You seem to be dodging testing the spirit of your points. It is your heart you should be watching.

    #350817
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,22:46)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 15 2013,19:59)

    Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,02:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ July 14 2013,04:13)
    K

    Quote
    T,

    God's angels have never sinned though they were tempted by evil at one time.  God, the source of righteousness, cannot be tempted by evil. This is another way in which Jehovah is the only God.

    Ge 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

    Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

    Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD

    who are the sons of God in these verses ???

    2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
    2PE 2:5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly

    it seems you are not right in saying that angels do not sin ,at least not in scriptures

    YOU SAY “GOD'S ANGELS ,BUT ARE NOT ALL ANGELS OF GOD ,DID HE CREATED THEM SINNER NO THEY BECAME SINNERS JUST AS MEN BECAME A SINNER ,SO YOUR QUOTE OF “GOD'S ANGELS “IS MISLEADING AT BEST .


    T,

    Job is too vague to prove Satan is or is not a son of God.

    All being created by God are his children but that is not the sense I was using.

    I did not state God's angels were created sinners.  I stated at one time they were tempted by evil.


    K

    your answer is to the scriptures not to me ,I only mention God's words to you ,but you do with it what is in your heart ,your actions are seen by angels ,so it is not for me to argue if you do not want to accept God's word the way he forward to us ,

    your problem friend,


    T,

    My answer is to you about understanding Scriptures.  It is a conversation. You seem to be dodging testing the spirit of your points.  It is your heart you should be watching.


    K

    testing the spirit ??? testing is only valid to see if it come from God or not ,but if you disagree with Gods words then you have to deal with God not with me ,or anyone else who does not own the words of God ,only God is the owner

    #350821
    2besee
    Participant

    Galatians 5:19 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”

    Colossians 3:12 “Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.”

    1 Corinthians 13:4 “Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”

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    terraricca
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    Quote (2besee @ July 16 2013,03:59)
    Galatians 5:19 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”

    Colossians 3:12  “Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.”

    1 Corinthians 13:4  “Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”


    good scriptures

    but only if they are applied ,with in the context of circumstances

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