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.Spirit in it's simplest form is what produces Life itself, and life is cognate awareness , making spirits mean all kind of different things, shows how confusesd most people are. When you see Spirit “Personified ” in scripture it is given that way, because the carnal mind can not conceive it properly, so scripture uses these personified expressions to help make some sense about spirit.
1) Spirit in it's simplest form is what produces Life itself,PLEASE EXPLAIN AND WERE DO YOU GOT THIS UNDERSTANDING
2) life is cognate awareness , making spirits mean all kind of different things;HOW IS THAT
AND WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT SPIRITS THINGS ? PLEASE EXPLAIN 3) shows how confused most people are. When you see Spirit “Personified ” in scripture it is given that way,PLEASE GIVE A FEW EXAMPLES HERE TO MAKE IT MORE EVIDENT OF WHAT YOU SAY,
4) carnal mind can not conceive it properly, so scripture uses these personified expressions to help make some sense about spirit.WHY WOULD IT BE THAT CARNAL MIND NOT CONCEIVE IT ;YOU MEAN THE CANAL ORIENTED MIND CAN NOT CONCEIVE IT
RIGHT ?BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL GODLY MINDED SPIRIT PEOPLE CAN THEY SEE IT RIGHT
THOSE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED ,GENE
Gene
Quote The word Spirit is only confusing to those who do not understand what it actually is. But i believe as Issac Newton, things are properly understood when they are in there simplest form, Spirits are not hard to understand, if you summerize all statements said about them in scriptures and condense it to it's simplest form. Spirit is what give us our Cognate intellects either clean or unclean, good or evil, each give us there particular attributes and the same Spirit can be working in all at the same time. Spirits are not Angels being or any kind ,nor are they persons, They are what is in Both Angels and Persons , Therefore it say if the Spirit of him that raised Christ from the Grave be in you he or (IT) shall also quicken (bring back to life) your “Mortal” (dead body) Just as it did Jesus. IN YOUR COMMENT UNDERSTANDING ,WOULD THIS NOT MEAN THAT WE MEN APPLY GOD'S WORDS TO OUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION
AND SO HAVE NOT THAT SPIRIT THAT WAS IN CHRIST
Terricca…….lets take the first one First OK , what produced life in ADAM was it not the Spirit that entered into him and then he became a living soul? Does not scripture say what knoweth a man except the spirit that is “in” him ? And again, for the spirit searches the deep things of God. And again, “the words I am telling you “ARE” spirit “AND” LIFE. Now before we go on let's see if we can come to an understanding on this first brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2013,10:21) Terricca…….lets take the first one First OK , what produced life in ADAM was it not the Spirit that entered into him and then he became a living soul? Does not scripture say what knoweth a man except the spirit that is “in” him ? And again, for the spirit searches the deep things of God. And again, “the words I am telling you “ARE” spirit “AND” LIFE. Now before we go on let's see if we can come to an understanding on this first brother. Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Every person has the breath of life from God.
But every man has his own spirit;passion.
What ever a mans passion is ,that is his spirit.
Most put their personal hobbys first,before God.
Only a few have the spirit of seeking God.The spirit of the world is only,material.
The spirit of Jesus,is hard to follow in this world.
Because one needs to seperate them selves from the spirit of this world;babylon,with all the good things she can provide.
And this takes a lot of sacrifices,to walk on the sraight and narrow path.wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2013,05:21) Terricca…….lets take the first one First OK , what produced life in ADAM was it not the Spirit that entered into him and then he became a living soul? Does not scripture say what knoweth a man except the spirit that is “in” him ? And again, for the spirit searches the deep things of God. And again, “the words I am telling you “ARE” spirit “AND” LIFE. Now before we go on let's see if we can come to an understanding on this first brother. Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
GENEGe 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
DOES “LIVING” MEANS HE BECAME ACTIVE
OR DOES IT MEAN ONLY AN HEART BEAT I BELIEVE THAT WEN GOD BREATHED INTO ADAM NOSTRILS OXYGEN HE START TO BE COMPLETE AND READY FOR ACTION RIGHT THEN ;THIS WAS THE LAST MISSING THING FOR ADAM TO BE ON THE MOVE ;
Terricca ……we're straying from the subject, Adam became a complete “living soul” my bible says , so when was he not a “living” soul , was it not when he was just a inactivated dead body” . Spirit is the
Very life of our bodies, the very cells contain spirit, or how do they know how to do the things they do, if it is not a spirit at work in our bodies repairing them, reproducing them, our very blood is full of spirit or we would just die. Becaus our bodies with out spirit working in it would not know who to function. Therefore it says life is “IN” the blood. That my friend is spirit at work “in” our bodies working “in” our blood. Why do you think God said “his blood cries from the ground, when Cain slew his brother AbelSpirits impute intellect in all thing that has life , spirit is the very life of what it is “IN”. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours ……………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2013,06:48) Terricca ……we're straying from the subject, Adam became a complete “living soul” my bible says , so when was he not a “living” soul , was it not when he was just a inactivated dead body” . Spirit is th
E life of our bodies the very cells contain spirit or how do they know how to do the things they do, if it is not a spirit at work in our bodies repairing them, reproducing them, our very blood is full of spirit or we would just die. Becaus our bodies with out spirit working in it would not know who to function.
geneyou forgot one thing ;
Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground
TELL ME AT WHAT POINT DID ADAM CELLS BECAME TO LIVE
AND AT WHAT TIME DID ADAM BECAME A HUMAN MAN BUT NOT ACTIVE ;JUST LIKE BABIES IN THE WOMB THEY ARE ALIVE BUT NOT ACTIVE IN LIFE , EVEN THOUGH MANY CHANGES HAPPEN WITHIN THEIR BODY TO BE COMPLETE AND READY FOR THE DAY OF BREATHING OUTSIDE THE WOMB AND BECOME ACTIVE AND SO BECOME A LIVING SOULTerricca……….Man became a “LIVING SOUL” , just as scripture says , when the Breath of LIFE went into him it activated his body , the spirit caused him to start to breath and the life process began, he then became a “LIVING SOUL” . A body without spirit is dead and there is no life left in it, the spirit returns to him who gave it, and that man no longer exists, he is gone forever with no hope of life unless God prepares another body and add spirit back into it just as he did with ADAM and when we were born. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2013,07:08) Terricca……….Man became a “LIVING SOUL” , just as scripture says , when the Breath of LIFE went into him it activated his body , the spirit caused him to start to breath and the life process began, he then became a “LIVING SOUL” . A body without spirit is dead and there is no life left in it, the spirit returns to him who gave it, and that man no longer exists, he is gone forever with no hope of life unless God prepares another body and add spirit back into it just as he did with ADAM and when we were born. IMO Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
geneQuote the spirit caused him to not the spirit the BREATH INTO HIS NOSTRILS
Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.KJV
Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.NIV (1984)
then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the NRKJV
Ge 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.ASD
GE 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.NASD
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The Lord God formed 1 the man from the soil of the ground 2 and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, 3 and the man became a living being. 4
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the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
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Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
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And the LORD God formed a man’s body from the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life. And the man became a living person.
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GOD formed Man out of dirt from the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life. The Man came alive–a living soul!
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And the Lord God made man from the dust of the earth, breathing into him the breath of life: and man became a living soul.
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then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
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And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
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1 tn Or “fashioned.” The prefixed verb form with vav (ו) consecutive initiates narrative sequence. The Hebrew word יָצַר (yatsar) means “to form” or “to fashion,” usually by plan or design (see the related noun יֵצֶר [yetser] in Gen 6:5). It is the term for an artist’s work (the Hebrew term יוֹצֵר [yotser] refers to a potter; see Jer 18:2-4.)
sn Various traditions in the ancient Near East reflect this idea of creation. Egyptian drawings show a deity turning little people off of the potter’s wheel with another deity giving them life. In the Bible humans are related to the soil and return to it (see 3:19; see also Job 4:19, 20:9; and Isa 29:16).
2 tn The line literally reads “And Yahweh God formed the man, soil, from the ground.” “Soil” is an adverbial accusative, identifying the material from which the man was made.
3 tn The Hebrew word נְשָׁמָה (nÿshamah, “breath”) is used for God and for the life imparted to humans, not animals (see T. C. Mitchell, “The Old Testament Usage of Nÿshama,” VT 11 [1961]: 177-87). Its usage in the Bible conveys more than a breathing living organism (נֶפֶשׁ חַיַּה, nefesh khayyah). Whatever is given this breath of life becomes animated with the life from God, has spiritual understanding (Job 32:8), and has a functioning conscience (Prov 20:27).
sn Human life is described here as consisting of a body (made from soil from the ground) and breath (given by God). Both animals and humans are called “a living being” (נֶפֶשׁ חַיַּה) but humankind became that in a different and more significant way.
4 tn The Hebrew term נֶפֶשׁ (nefesh, “being”) is often translated “soul,” but the word usually refers to the whole person. The phrase נֶפֶשׁ חַיַּה (nefesh khayyah, “living being”) is used of both animals and human beings (see 1:20, 24, 30; 2:19).Terrica………Gods Breath is Spirit, GOD IS SPIRIT. You can breath air into a dead person all you or anyone wants to and they will not come back to life, ounce a person has died. God spiritually activates our bodies and we then gasp and draw air into our lungs, this happened when every child is born, the spirit causes us to breath in the air supplying us with oxygen . The spirit that is put into the body causes it to breath, it is what activates us all, if God were to retract his spirit all flesh would die. Need scripture I can produce them if you don't already know then. Without spirit there is NO LIFE WHATSOEVER of ANY KIND. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2013,20:04) Terrica………Gods Breath is Spirit, GOD IS SPIRIT. You can breath air into a dead person all you or anyone wants to and they will not come back to life, ounce a person has died. God spiritually activates our bodies and we then gasp and draw air into our lungs, this happened when every child is born, the spirit causes us to breath in the air supplying us with oxygen . The spirit that is put into the body causes it to breath, it is what activates us all, if God were to retract his spirit all flesh would die. Need scripture I can produce them if you don't already know then. Without spirit there is NO LIFE WHATSOEVER of ANY KIND. IMO Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
geneQuote Gods Breath is Spirit, GOD IS SPIRIT. You can breath air into a dead person all you or anyone wants to and they will not come back to life, ounce a person has died this is not what scriptures are saying ;the animals are also breathing(not spirit )failing to do so this, stops you dead,men or animal;
people kill each other by asphyxiation ;this means by stopping a being from breathing so he dies, wen people die the scriptures says THEY HAVE TAKEN THEIR LAST BREATH,
so you are making your version of events up to your likes
not according to the scriptures ,Terricca…….And what else does scripture say when a man dies the spirit returns to him who gave it. scripture also say if God were to retract his spirit “all” flesh would cease to exist ..
The only one making his own bible teachings is you Pierre, not me. You start a subject about the spirit and wind up talking only about the flesh, while spirit is what activates the flesh and the thinking of a flesh begin of any kind, spirit itself is not flesh of any kind, spirit is what is “IN” flesh, it give the flesh it's very life and directs that life even of animals.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2013,20:36) Terricca…….And what else does scripture say when a man dies the spirit returns to him who gave it. scripture also say if God were to retract his spirit “all” flesh would cease to exist .. The only one making his own bible teachings is you Pierre, not me. You start a subject about the spirit and wind up talking only about the flesh, while spirit is what activates the flesh and the thinking of a flesh begin of any kind, spirit itself is not flesh of any kind, spirit is what is “IN” flesh, it give the flesh it's very life and directs that life even of animals.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
GeneSo the breathed in the nostrils is DEFFINETLY not the spirit of God right
So the spirit of God is some thing else ,more like his power
well it seems i will not have an answer to my question ,
it is sad to see that people do not believe the written word of God ,but the true believers know that this as be the way sins the beginning ,
Terricca………I answered you question , Just read what i wrote , No the spirit of God is not Air going in a mans lungs, that is what supplies oxygen that carries to the living cells of our body. Do you just want to argue or try to make some sense to what we say? The Spirit od God is exactly as i said it is and the scriptures i posted back this up also. So you Stupid commit about not using scripture is Just another of your ingorant commits to destort people away from the truth, your ploy of accusing others only proves you have no idea about the topic being descussed. IMO , There was aready a topic about the Spirit before on here , why don't you simply go back an read it. I grow tired of you ingorant accusations all the time, and i know other here do also. The factis i couldn't replay qiuckly was because of internet problems with my service.
peace and loveto you and yours……………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 05 2013,20:52) Terricca………I answered you question , Just read what i wrote , No the spirit of God is not Air going in a mans lungs, that is what supplies oxygen that carries to the living cells of our body. Do you just want to argue or try to make some sense to what we say? The Spirit od God is exactly as i said it is and the scriptures i posted back this up also. So you Stupid commit about not using scripture is Just another of your ingorant commits to destort people away from the truth, your ploy of accusing others only proves you have no idea about the topic being descussed. IMO , There was aready a topic about the Spirit before on here , why don't you simply go back an read it. I grow tired of you ingorant accusations all the time, and i know other here do also. The factis i couldn't replay qiuckly was because of internet problems with my service. peace and loveto you and yours……………………………………gene
genewhat you answered me is not found in scriptures ,you came up with it because you do not want to believe the scriptures
Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,10:26) gene what you answered me is not found in scriptures ,you came up with it because you do not want to believe the scriptures
Pierre, how could you even say such a thing, that doesn't even make sense.Gene is formulating his understanding of the Scriptures – from the Scriptures – as are we all.
What's needed is: “GOD” on the inside – via ~ his HolySpirit, to lead, guide, and direct us unto all understanding.This is my opinion, but I think must of us will agree with it!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,08:19) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,10:26) gene what you answered me is not found in scriptures ,you came up with it because you do not want to believe the scriptures
Pierre, how could you even say such a thing, that doesn't even make sense.Gene is formulating his understanding of the Scriptures – from the Scriptures – as are we all.
What's needed is: “GOD” on the inside – via ~ his HolySpirit, to lead, guide, and direct us unto all understanding.This is my opinion, but I think must of us will agree with it!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjMy answer to gene is also based on the many years of discussion experience with him,
Scriptures are saying ;That God breathed into Adam nostrils ,and gene start to give me :
That it was not this but the cell in the body bla,bla,bla,Why is it so difficult to believe in what scriptures says
Can,t do .you guys have to add or void some words ,wors you do not have a fundamental reason to do so ,but you ask me to go along with those kind of opinion ,??? My heart beat increases my soul is shaking ,by that question ,that would corrupt the integrity of God,s truth in me,
I do understand that it is gene understanding or anyone's ,but let the truth be known ,and God be declared true ,and all men a liar ,
Your request for the understanding through the holy spirit ,how can you come any close to God,s truth if you do not even believe in what he says to you and us all , the holy spirit his active in those that believe but not in the others .
Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,13:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2013,08:19) Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2013,10:26) gene what you answered me is not found in scriptures ,you came up with it because you do not want to believe the scriptures
Pierre, how could you even say such a thing, that doesn't even make sense.Gene is formulating his understanding of the Scriptures – from the Scriptures – as are we all.
What's needed is: “GOD” on the inside – via ~ his HolySpirit, to lead, guide, and direct us unto all understanding.This is my opinion, but I think must of us will agree with it!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjMy answer to gene is also based on the many years of discussion experience with him,
Scriptures are saying ;That God breathed into Adam nostrils ,and gene start to give me :
That it was not this but the cell in the body bla,bla,bla,Why is it so difficult to believe in what scriptures says
Can,t do .you guys have to add or void some words ,wors you do not have a fundamental reason to do so ,but you ask me to go along with those kind of opinion ,??? My heart beat increases my soul is shaking ,by that question ,that would corrupt the integrity of God,s truth in me,
I do understand that it is gene understanding or anyone's ,but let the truth be known ,and God be declared true ,and all men a liar ,
Your request for the understanding through the holy spirit ,how can you come any close to God,s truth if you do not even believe in what he says to you and us all , the holy spirit his active in those that believe but not in the others .
Hi Pierre,You mean like just believing what this verse says:
“ye are even my witnesses.
Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)OR IS THAT ONE WE DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTerricca………..Fact is you are one of those who have corrupted scriptures to meet you ignorant beliefs, in a Preexistent Jesus and as EdJ says, it is you who do not believe God meant what he said that there was “NO OTHER GOD Besides HIM” and He “ALONE and BY HIMSELF Created everything, and then you go about accusing others of not believing the word of God like You do, when it is you not believing GOD.
When God put spirit in the man Adam who he formed from the earth and started him to breath, then he became a “LIVING SOUL”. Do you actually believe just wind in a nostrils of a Man is the only thing that gives him life? How ignorant is that, Scripture say “LIFE IS “IN” THE BLOOD”, flesh profits nothing, it is the SPIRIT that Give LIFE ,Because Spirit is also the LIFE working “IN” the BLOOD which is Sustaining Life. Need Proof ?
Job 34:14-15…..> If he (GOD) set his heart upon man, if he (GOD) gather unto “himself” his “SPIRIT” and his (GOD'S) Breath ; “ALL” flesh shall “PERISH” together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
Now just zero in and thnk about those scriptures and you might see what i am saying. You started this subject as a Lamb, but when discussion started you became a Wolf, You have been the accuser of the Brethren every sense you have been Here, and not only me but, many others also, your contentious attitude is always present it seems , You want it to appear as you are warrior for God , when in fact you want people to agree with you and your Dogmas, not willing or able it seems to convince others, so you start to condemn them. Who made you a Judge of anyones Spirituality?
Have you ever thought that you yourself might be wrong in what you think scripture is saying. Why can't you just stay on subject, instead of getting off and start to accuse and put people down, who disagree with you? It OK to have a Different opinion then others do , I have no problem with that, but when you start to make it like i don't follow the word of God, as you “THINK” you do, that is quite another issue.
You spirituality is not for me to judge nor is mine your to Judge. I just give my opinion, i am not God , neither are YOU, I am still learning and will probably be forever learning. I full well know i don't have “ALL” knowledge and probabely never will either. I am just a learner and hope God will continue to teach me what i need to know. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
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