The source of false religion

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,16:52)

T8 you would hav to deny Jesus is The Christ to be ANTI-CHRIST.

Clearly the bible teaches that Jesus is the son of God. This is part of the foundation of the Church. Therefore the Quaran is competing against the bible as scripture. because it says that Allah doesn't have a son. Although maybe it is correct if Allah is not YHWH. But YHWH has a son and it is a central tenet of our faith.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

Notice that those who do not abide in the doctrine of Christ, have the Father and the Son and we are not to bid them godspeed.

Also notice that antichrists deny the son. And how do I know that you deny the son? Because you openly promote Mohammed and thus his doctrine and teachings.

Compare the above scriptures with these verses in the Koran. How can you say they are promoting the same truth?

Sura 4.171 Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

Sura 6.101 Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things.

Sura 9.30 And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Sura 10.68 They say: Allah has taken a son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: He is the Self-sufficient: His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know?

Sura 17.111 And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).

Sura 18.4 And warn those who say: Allah has taken a son.

Sura 19.35 It beseems not Allah that He should take to Himself a son, glory to be Him; when He has decreed a matter He only says to it “Be,” and it is.

Sura 19.88 And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son. (91) That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God. (92) And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son.

Sura 21.26 And they say: The Beneficent God has taken to Himself a son. Glory be to Him. Nay! they are honored servants

Sura 23.91 Never did Allah take to Himself a son, and never was there with him any (other) god– in that case would each god have certainly taken away what he created, and some of them would certainly have overpowered others; glory be to Allah above what they describe!

Sura 25.2 He, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take to Himself a son, and Who has no associate in the kingdom, and Who created everything, then ordained for it a measure.

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder
muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches.
…after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).  

Ed

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,16:49)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,13:35) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,02:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,00:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,16:42) (1)What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? (2)Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran? Hi BD, 2) “Messiah” or “Christ” means  GOD's anointed Leader.     Jesus Christ is not the anointed leader of the muslims,     their anointed leader is the false prophet Muhammad. 1) Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev, have you never     read what “GOD”(YHVH) says about YOUR false prophet? Ed (witness) Jesus was the Messiah of th Jews this he said: Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” When those in power rejected him you then later have this happen Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. I consider you to be very intelligent but what I don't understand is how very intelligent people need to remain locked in a viewpoint even when it is clear that it is incorrect or at the very least lacking. Hi BD, There you go again trying to ignore the whole of Scripture in order to bolster the 'book of fraud' by the false prophet Muhammad.   (It won't work BD) “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel:  I will also give thee(Jesus/Isa) for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” (Isa 49:6) Islam denies the rising of Isa's resurrection,  the false prophet Muhammad won't let his followers come to the light. “The Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness OF THY RISING.” (Isa 60:3) Ed (witness) Jesus has become a light to the gentiles but that was not who he says he was sent to. Hi BD, Are you also conveniently forgetting about Jesus being “GOD's salvation unto the end of the earth”? “He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Ed (witness)

If that is true it wouldn't matter what anyone believes because 1 John 2:2 includes EVERYONE without qualification.

“He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

These verses include even people who do not believe, do you also accept these verses? Yes or No?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,16:55)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,13:52) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2013,10:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,19:42) What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? Are you not aware that those who deny the son of God are antichrist? T8 you would hav to deny Jesus is The Christ to be ANTI-CHRIST. Hi BD, NO, you would have to deny Jesus is the “Son of God” to be 'antichrist'; which is precisely what muslims are taught to be. (see 1John 2:22) Ed (witness)

Then you have a problem because the scriptures you trust say:

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

There is a PERIOD after Christ which means that thought is finished but anyway

1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

Every Muslim believes that Jesusisth Christ so therefore according to YOUR trusted SCRIPTURES EVERY MUSLIM is BORN OF GOD and not only every Muslim butevery other Christian group you reject such as Catholics, Mormons, JW's, Urantia practitioners in fact most all Christian groups.

You do agree with these scriptures, correct?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2013,19:22)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,16:52) T8 you would hav to deny Jesus is The Christ to be ANTI-CHRIST. Clearly the bible teaches that Jesus is the son of God. This is part of the foundation of the Church. Therefore the Quaran is competing against the bible as scripture. because it says that Allah doesn't have a son. Although maybe it is correct if Allah is not YHWH. But YHWH has a son and it is a central tenet of our faith. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: Notice that those who do not abide in the doctrine of Christ, have the Father and the Son and we are not to bid them godspeed. Also notice that antichrists deny the son. And how do I know that you deny the son? Because you openly promote Mohammed and thus his doctrine and teachings. Compare the above scriptures with these verses in the Koran. How can you say they are promoting the same truth? Sura 4.171 Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. Sura 6.101 Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things. Sura 9.30 And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! Sura 10.68 They say: Allah has taken a son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: He is the Self-sufficient: His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Sura 17.111 And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him). Sura 18.4 And warn those who say: Allah has taken a son. Sura 19.35 It beseems not Allah that He should take to Himself a son, glory to be Him; when He has decreed a matter He only says to it “Be,” and it is. Sura 19.88 And they say: The Beneficent God has taken (to Himself) a son. (91) That they ascribe a son to the Beneficent God. (92) And it is not worthy of the Beneficent God that He should take (to Himself) a son. Sura 21.26 And they say: The Beneficent God has taken to Himself a son. Glory be to Him. Nay! they are honored servants Sura 23.91 Never did Allah take to Himself a son, and never was there with him any (other) god– in that case would each god have certainly taken away what he created, and some of them would certainly have overpowered others; glory be to Allah above what they describe! Sura 25.2 He, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take to Himself a son, and Who has no associate in the kingdom, and Who created everything, then ordained for it a measure.

The problem here is you keep denying th fact of what the scripture is saying is prominent:

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Now you keep emphasizing “son” is Adam the Son of God according to th scriptures? If you deny that Adam is the Son of God you deny the Father and the son.

Is Jesus the Son of Mary? Why is she denied that honor and title in the Bible? How is Jesus in anyway The son of Man? He has no male Father so why is the term “son of man” used instead of “Son of Mary” as it is in the Quran?

Since you want to play word games why does the scripture say:

Psalm 2:7

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Now before you call it a prophetic verse Godhad already declared this to Solomon so how in the world could john 3:16 be true?

John 3:16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Hundreds of years before he was born the scriptures have God saying to someone else “I have begotten thee” so how could John 3:16 be true?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2013,05:16)

Hi T8, Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches. …after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).   Ed

This is from your link:

The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:

Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

Are you telling me God does not plot, use strategy even using strategy to mislead?

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

You see I don't need to disagree with you because I know:

Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts

You hear and understand the word deception on a low vibration level I understand it on a much higher level than you.

READ YOUR BIBLE:

1 John 4:2

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Is this true or false? If you are not trying to “deceive” me then you would admit that Muhammad cofessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and all who believe this “IS OF GOD” according to the scriptures. True or False

Will T8 admit it?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:40)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2013,05:16) Hi T8, Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches. …after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).   Ed This is from your link: The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as: Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem. Are you telling me God does not plot, use strategy even using strategy to mislead? 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: You see I don't need to disagree with you because I know: Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts You hear and understand the word deception on a low vibration level I understand it on a much higher level than you. READ YOUR BIBLE: 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or false? If you are not trying to “deceive” me then you would admit that Muhammad cofessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and all who believe this “IS OF GOD” according to the scriptures. True or False Will T8 admit it?

Boditharta.

The qur'an believes that Jesus has come in the flesh.
Note:(This is written long after the gospels).

But the qur'an also says that Jesus is not the son of God.
Believing that Jesus has come in the flesh is just a cover up,because the qur'an does not teach Jesus teachings.

Anyone that believes that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God. Yes; the revealing spirit is of God.
It does not mean that he is saved;for many will come to me and say Lord.Lord–
Mohamad will also come and say Lord,Lord–

QUOTE:
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:UNQUOTE:

You have quoted this, with the wrong perception.

God is not the one that created the strong delusions, it is created by man: He simply *LETS* it happen.

Man does the work of deception.
The qur'an is created by that spirit in man to deceive, it contradicts the word of God in one place, and agrees in an other place. *To create confusion*.

We tend to underestimate SATANS CRAFTINESS.
He has attacked the truth from all angles;and from within.
He will never stop,untill he is destroyed.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2013,02:22)

Sura 4.171 Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son…………

The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.  (Psalm 118:22, Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11, 1 Peter 2:7)

This same cornerstone was prophesied from days of old to become a stumbling block to many.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 12 2013,00:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:40) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2013,05:16) Hi T8, Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches. …after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).   Ed This is from your link: The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as: Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem. Are you telling me God does not plot, use strategy even using strategy to mislead? 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: You see I don't need to disagree with you because I know: Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts You hear and understand the word deception on a low vibration level I understand it on a much higher level than you. READ YOUR BIBLE: 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or false? If you are not trying to “deceive” me then you would admit that Muhammad cofessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and all who believe this “IS OF GOD” according to the scriptures. True or False Will T8 admit it? Boditharta. The qur'an believes that Jesus has come in the flesh. Note:(This is written long after the gospels). But the qur'an also says that Jesus is not the son of God. Believing that Jesus has come in the flesh is just a cover up,because the qur'an does not teach Jesus teachings. Anyone that believes that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God. Yes; the revealing spirit is of God. It does not mean that he is saved;for many will come to me and say Lord.Lord– Mohamad will also come and say Lord,Lord– QUOTE: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:UNQUOTE: You have quoted this, with the wrong perception. God is not the one that created the strong delusions, it is created by man: He simply *LETS* it happen. Man does the work of deception. The qur'an is created by that spirit in man to deceive, it contradicts the word of God in one place, and agrees in an other place. *To create confusion*. We tend to underestimate SATANS CRAFTINESS. He has attacked the truth from all angles;and from within. He will never stop,untill he is destroyed. wakeup.

1 John 4:2

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Is this true or not?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,02:01)

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2013,02:22) Sura 4.171 Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son………… The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.  (Psalm 118:22, Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11, 1 Peter 2:7) This same cornerstone was prophesied from days of old to become a stumbling block to many.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

None has rejected Christ in Islam we do reject the foolishness that was preached but accept those who got saved because of it but it then pleased God to reveal the foolishness so everything might be complete

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,16:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,13:35) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,02:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,00:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,16:42) (1)What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? (2)Howcould any muslim be an anti-Christ whe Jesus is confirmed as Christ in the Quran? Hi BD, 2) “Messiah” or “Christ” means  GOD's anointed Leader.     Jesus Christ is not the anointed leader of the muslims,     their anointed leader is the false prophet Muhammad. 1) Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev, have you never     read what “GOD”(YHVH) says about YOUR false prophet? Ed (witness) Jesus was the Messiah of th Jews this he said: Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” When those in power rejected him you then later have this happen Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. I consider you to be very intelligent but what I don't understand is how very intelligent people need to remain locked in a viewpoint even when it is clear that it is incorrect or at the very least lacking. Hi BD, There you go again trying to ignore the whole of Scripture in order to bolster the 'book of fraud' by the false prophet Muhammad.   (It won't work BD) “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel:  I will also give thee(Jesus/Isa) for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” (Isa 49:6) Islam denies the rising of Isa's resurrection,  the false prophet Muhammad won't let his followers come to the light. “The Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness OF THY RISING.” (Isa 60:3) Ed (witness) Jesus has become a light to the gentiles but that was not who he says he was sent to. Hi BD, Are you also conveniently forgetting about Jesus being “GOD's salvation unto the end of the earth”? “He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) Ed (witness) If that is true it wouldn't matter what anyone believes because 1 John 2:2 includes EVERYONE without qualification. “He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) 1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. These verses include even people who do not believe, do you also accept these verses? Yes or No?

Hi BD,

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while
 we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8)

The “Salvation of YA” is available to all to who will believe.

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and
shalt BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9)

Ed

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 09 2013,16:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2013,13:52) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2013,10:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 08 2013,19:42) What false prophet? How do you declare Muhammad a false prophet? Are you not aware that those who deny the son of God are antichrist? T8 you would hav to deny Jesus is The Christ to be ANTI-CHRIST. Hi BD, NO, you would have to deny Jesus is the “Son of God” to be 'antichrist'; which is precisely what muslims are taught to be. (see 1John 2:22) Ed (witness) Then you have a problem because the scriptures you trust say: 1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. There is a PERIOD after Christ which means that thought is finished but anyway 1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. Every Muslim believes that Jesusisth Christ so therefore according to YOUR trusted SCRIPTURES EVERY MUSLIM is BORN OF GOD and not only every Muslim butevery other Christian group you reject such as Catholics, Mormons, JW's, Urantia practitioners in fact most all Christian groups. You do agree with these scriptures, correct?

Hi BD,

To believe Jesus is the Christ is to make him
your anointed leader; Islamist's reject Jesus leadership.

Ed (witness

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:40)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2013,05:16) Hi T8, Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches. …after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).   Ed This is from your link: The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as: Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem. Are you telling me God does not plot, use strategy even using strategy to mislead? 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: You see I don't need to disagree with you because I know: Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts You hear and understand the word deception on a low vibration level I understand it on a much higher level than you. READ YOUR BIBLE: 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or false? If you are not trying to “deceive” me then you would admit that Muhammad cofessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and all who believe this “IS OF GOD” according to the scriptures. True or False Will T8 admit it?

Hi BD,

You can't make 10% of the bible prove the other 90% is wrong;
is this the kind of foolishness that islam teaches muslims to do?

Ed

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 12 2013,12:24)

If that is true it wouldn't matter what anyone believes because 1 John 2:2 includes EVERYONE without qualification. “He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2) 1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. These verses include even people who do not believe, do you also accept these verses? Yes or No?[/quote] Hi BD, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while  we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8) The “Salvation of YA” is available to all to who will believe. “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9) Ed

So you disagree with 1 Timothy 4:10 It clearly says

“of all people, and especially of those who believe”

That includes people who do not believe otherwise the “especially” would not be there, So you do not accept the verse, which is all I asked anyway and your answer was no you don't believe that verse.

and

You don't believe 1 John 2:2 either, it's okay I just wanted you to clearly say it and you are afraid to simply say you disagree with those verses prefering to limit the salvation of Jesus but at th same time not willing to limit the sin of Adam

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 12 2013,12:26)

Hi BD, To believe Jesus is the Christ is to make him your anointed leader; Islamist's reject Jesus leadership. Ed (witness

The scripture does not say that you even said he was to be “a light to the gentiles” you didn't say “Lord of the gentiles”

Plus he was't sent to be “lord of the gentiles” was he?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 12 2013,12:31)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:40) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2013,05:16) Hi T8, Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches. …after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).   Ed This is from your link: The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as: Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem. Are you telling me God does not plot, use strategy even using strategy to mislead? 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: You see I don't need to disagree with you because I know: Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts You hear and understand the word deception on a low vibration level I understand it on a much higher level than you. READ YOUR BIBLE: 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or false? If you are not trying to “deceive” me then you would admit that Muhammad cofessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and all who believe this “IS OF GOD” according to the scriptures. True or False Will T8 admit it? Hi BD, You can't make 10% of the bible prove the other 90% is wrong; is this the kind of foolishness that islam teaches muslims to do? Ed

What do you mean Christians including you do that every day hence the 35,000 variations/denominations

You completely have rejected all the violence, laws and verses of salvation of the old testament which is 90% of the Bible

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,06:01)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 12 2013,00:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:40) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2013,05:16) Hi T8, Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches. …after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).   Ed This is from your link: The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as: Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem. Are you telling me God does not plot, use strategy even using strategy to mislead? 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: You see I don't need to disagree with you because I know: Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts You hear and understand the word deception on a low vibration level I understand it on a much higher level than you. READ YOUR BIBLE: 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or false? If you are not trying to “deceive” me then you would admit that Muhammad cofessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and all who believe this “IS OF GOD” according to the scriptures. True or False Will T8 admit it? Boditharta. The qur'an believes that Jesus has come in the flesh. Note:(This is written long after the gospels). But the qur'an also says that Jesus is not the son of God. Believing that Jesus has come in the flesh is just a cover up,because the qur'an does not teach Jesus teachings. Anyone that believes that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God. Yes; the revealing spirit is of God. It does not mean that he is saved;for many will come to me and say Lord.Lord– Mohamad will also come and say Lord,Lord– QUOTE: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:UNQUOTE: You have quoted this, with the wrong perception. God is not the one that created the strong delusions, it is created by man: He simply *LETS* it happen. Man does the work of deception. The qur'an is created by that spirit in man to deceive, it contradicts the word of God in one place, and agrees in an other place. *To create confusion*. We tend to underestimate SATANS CRAFTINESS. He has attacked the truth from all angles;and from within. He will never stop,untill he is destroyed. wakeup. 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or not?

Boditharta.

What the scriptures say is true.
What is needed is the deviding of the scriptures,and the decerning of the scriptures.

Every spirit that confesseth,that Jesus is come in the flesh is of God.

The *spirit* that confesseth comes from God.
It does not mean that the person is saved by just confessing; but by following Jesus commandments.
Many confesseth that Jesus has come in the flesh,and live in sin; or denying that he is the only begotten son of God.

Islam agrees that Jesus has come in the flesh;but also denying his sacrifice; and him, being the only begotten son of God.

Denying that he is the only way to God.
Denying that no man can come to the father but by Jesus.
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Jesus died on the cross to take away the sins of the world.
This does not mean that now we all, and every baby born is without sin.

Only them that have excepted the gift of God;and follow his commandments;have been forgiven.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 12 2013,14:08)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 12 2013,06:01) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 12 2013,00:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2013,13:40) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2013,05:16) Hi T8, Islamists are taught to be deceptive to protect their religion, so it is no wonder muslims respond in a disingenuous manor to what their religion actually teaches. …after all 'al-Lah' is greatest of deceivers. (Link) (yes, satan is the #1 deceiver).   Ed This is from your link: The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as: Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem. Are you telling me God does not plot, use strategy even using strategy to mislead? 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: You see I don't need to disagree with you because I know: Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts You hear and understand the word deception on a low vibration level I understand it on a much higher level than you. READ YOUR BIBLE: 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or false? If you are not trying to “deceive” me then you would admit that Muhammad cofessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and all who believe this “IS OF GOD” according to the scriptures. True or False Will T8 admit it? Boditharta. The qur'an believes that Jesus has come in the flesh. Note:(This is written long after the gospels). But the qur'an also says that Jesus is not the son of God. Believing that Jesus has come in the flesh is just a cover up,because the qur'an does not teach Jesus teachings. Anyone that believes that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God. Yes; the revealing spirit is of God. It does not mean that he is saved;for many will come to me and say Lord.Lord– Mohamad will also come and say Lord,Lord– QUOTE: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:UNQUOTE: You have quoted this, with the wrong perception. God is not the one that created the strong delusions, it is created by man: He simply *LETS* it happen. Man does the work of deception. The qur'an is created by that spirit in man to deceive, it contradicts the word of God in one place, and agrees in an other place. *To create confusion*. We tend to underestimate SATANS CRAFTINESS. He has attacked the truth from all angles;and from within. He will never stop,untill he is destroyed. wakeup. 1 John 4:2 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: Is this true or not? Boditharta. What the scriptures say is true. What is needed is the deviding of the scriptures,and the decerning of the scriptures. Every spirit that confesseth,that Jesus is come in the flesh is of God. The *spirit* that confesseth comes from God. It does not mean that the person is saved by just confessing; but by following Jesus commandments. Many confesseth that Jesus has come in the flesh,and live in sin; or denying that he is the only begotten son of God. Islam agrees that Jesus has come in the flesh;but also denying his sacrifice;  and him, being the only begotten son of God. Denying that he is the only way to God. Denying that no man can come to the father but by Jesus.                               ******** Jesus died on the cross to take away the sins of the world. This does not mean that now we all, and every baby born is without sin. Only them that have excepted the gift of God;and follow his commandments;have been forgiven. wakeup.

So you are saying that he didn't take away the sins of the world. If the sins are taken away why would there need to be further qualification?

You do believe sin is still in the world, correct?

You also believe that someone can believe in Jesus exactly how you believe in Jesus and still sin, correct?

Would it be fair to say that you sin from time to time?

[Wakeup]

Boditharta.

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So you are saying that he didn't take away the sins of the world. If the sins are taken away why would there need to be further qualification?UNQUOTE.

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JOHN 3:16.FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD,THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
THAT ***WHOSOEVER BELIEVED IN HIM***,SHOULD NOT PERISH,BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
**BELIEVE IN HIM, AND FOLLOW,AND DO ALSO**
**ISLAM DOES NOT QUALIFY**; BECAUSE THEY DONT FOLLOW JESUS WAY, AND DONT DO.
THEY FOLLOW MOHAMADS WAY.
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You do believe sin is still in the world, correct? UNQUOTE:

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SIN IS RAMPANT IN THE WORLD.
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You also believe that someone can believe in Jesus exactly how you believe in Jesus and still sin, correct?
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NON IS PERFECT, ALL CAN SIN;BUT THEN, THERE IS THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
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Would it be fair to say that you sin from time to time?
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I DO SIN FROM TIME TO TIME. TO SAY NO, WOULD BE LYING.
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wakeup.

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