The soul

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2012,00:13)

Hi T, Silence is all the deaf can hear. take your fingers out of your ears.

U have no understanding of scriptures be on religion dogma

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The Word can cut to the division between the soul and the spirit.[heb4]
Be born of the Word.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2012,18:19)

Hi T, The Word can cut to the division between the soul and the spirit.[heb4] Be born of the Word.

N

that as well you can not understand ,or you do and miss represented witch one is it

[Proclaimer]

Hi Nick. Good topic.

I think that the soul is destructible, but the soul that is filled with the Spirit of God can live eternally.

I say the soul is destructible because it is written not once, not twice, (but wait there is more), many times that the wicked will be destroyed.

Also, when Adam was created, God breathed into his nostrils and he became a living soul. Later on, when Adam sinned, God sent Cherubim to protect the tree of life so that man could not eat the fruit thereof lest he LIVE FOREVER.

Genesis 3
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

[NickHassan]

Hi t8,
And that tree is seen again as many in Rev 22

[david]

Quote (terraricca @ April 11 2012,07:57)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2012,14:36) Hi T, Souls can die. mt 10.28 N yes but only God can destroyed it

I believe that the soul is the person 0R life of the person;
or the animal, OR the life of the animal.

There are many accounts where souls die or where souls are killed in the Bible.

If a soul (person) is killed, I take that to mean they are destroyed.

HOWEVER, only God can destroy the future life prospects of a person, everlasting life.

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
You say
“If a soul (person) is killed, I take that to mean they are destroyed.”

Why?

[david]

This gets tricky, because 'soul' can be used in a couple of ways. I guess I was using it in the sense of “a life.” If you think of it as “a person” or I guess, a body, which is really only part of a “soul” or person, then no.

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We have found the Scriptures teach: 1. Soul and person are one and the same thing, generally speaking. 2. The life of the soul is the blood 3. When the blood is poured out, the result is death to the soul. 4. A living being is a living soul; a dead person is a dead soul. 5. When a person dies, the soul does not go to heaven. 6. A person (a human being) IS a soul, therefore: 7. A soul can die, give up life, cease to exist.

In my mind, ceasing to exist is similar to being destroyed, but I guess it isn't really.
I'm not speaking of being “eternally” destroyed with no chance of existing again.

But if a soul (a life) dies, then it doesn't exist.

[NickHassan]

Hi David,
When the earthly blood is poured out why should that affect the soul?

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ April 22 2012,23:38)

Quote (terraricca @ April 11 2012,07:57) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2012,14:36) Hi T, Souls can die. mt 10.28 N yes but only God can destroyed it I believe that the soul is the person 0R life of the person; or the animal, OR the life of the animal. There are many accounts where souls die or where souls are killed in the Bible. If a soul (person) is killed, I take that to mean they are destroyed. HOWEVER, only God can destroy the future life prospects of a person, everlasting life.

David

I use to think that as well,but to my understanding the SOUL his the real person,the body in witch it is placed make it able ,

Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Ecc 9:2 All share a common destiny—the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not.
As it is with the good man,
so with the sinner;

Ecc 12:6 Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
or the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
or the wheel broken at the well,
Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Ecc 12:13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne,(earth) and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

1CO 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures

Rev 16:15 “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

Rev 19:9 Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”

Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Rev 22:7 “Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book.”

Dead means the end of your action ;the soul (spirit) that as given us all is going back in the place were it should fit like part of first resurrection or second resurrection.

resurrection of judgement means you are again given the opportunity to action but this would be the occasion to show that you have accepted Christ way like all the ones  in the first resurrection ,(who were not with the ones of the second resurrection because they had a better resurrection)

so if we have to be resurrected this means that our souls do not die ,this is the power of God to destroy the soul ,and this will only be done at the end of the judgement ,but the first resurrection are those who are judged now in their lives that they live ,and so become worthy of the first resurrection,

so their is no dead ,only stop in action on earth and a waiting ,until God ends this age ,

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You say
“resurrection of judgement means you are again given the opportunity to action but this would be the occasion to show that you have accepted Christ way like all the ones in the first resurrection ,(who were not with the ones of the second resurrection because they had a better resurrection)”

No
Times up when you die.
If you have not already passed from death to life you are woken to face the judgement of mt 25

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,00:32)

Hi T, You say “resurrection of judgement means you are again given the opportunity to action but this would be the occasion to show that you have accepted Christ way like all the ones  in the first resurrection ,(who were not with the ones of the second resurrection because they had a better resurrection)” No Times up when you die. If you have not already passed from death to life you are woken to face the judgement of mt 25

N

read you scriptures ,and understand them if you can

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Yes the Spirit teaches me.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,03:10)

Hi T, Yes the Spirit teaches me.

N

if all you know is from your personal understanding of you personal reading and study ,then you have not understood what scriptures teaches,

you have many outside of scriptures teachings influence from others ,and not supported in scriptures ,

so you have not yet made God word yours in your heart ,and only the scriptures ,nothing else ,not even your opinions

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
So you say.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Fleshly men think we are a tent and a spirit.
But we are SOUL

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,16:20)

Hi, Fleshly men think we are a tent and a spirit. But we are SOUL

N

you separate the words of God that are words of live given trough Christ and then trough his disciples ,

so you do not have the spirit ,but you have what your mind has set to understand NOT THE SAME THING

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
So you say.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,18:36)

Hi T, So you say.

N

show me with scriptures that I am wrong

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You are convinced are you not?
Why should we try to change you when the last few years have not?

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