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Quote The soul is not immortal as you say.
I have to agree with you since what God makes He can destroy and scripture states he will destroy the souls of those that rebel, in hellfire.
I do not agree with eternal damnation though a Greek word that means an indeterminate time has been translated to eternal. God is the One whom determines how long those thrown in hellfire suffer, and perhaps some will suffer eternally, but a person suffering eternally is not a person destroyed in hellfire. For a similar reason to the one why I do not agree with the idea of eternal suffering I do not agree with everyone suffering for an instant, though some may, as an instant is not an indeterminate period of time. In the end it is up to God to determine how long each of those who embrace evil suffers and I am content with that.
Quote (chosenone @ Feb. 05 2009,20:17) Thus, to sum up, just as human existence is joined to the soil (for the human was formed of the soil before the spirit was imparted), and as spirit is the source of life, so the soul is the seat of sensation. And for human beings, sensation is impossible except where there is a material body vivified by a spirit. Sensation does not depend upon a distinct entity or organism apart from either body or spirit, but rather upon their union. This union and its resultant sensation is termed “soul” in the sacred Scriptures.
Yes,I believe that to be true
Hi,
We are a living soul.
At death things change.[Ecc 12]
Our body degrades and our spirit returns to God so what is left is our soul.Only those with the Spirit of Life are yet alive to God and will be raised up to be with the Master.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,08:21) For ed
Hi Nick,Right now we have a conversation going or not going here.
I would prefer that we begin to make progress,
before any attempt to accelerate such progress. …I hope you understand?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
Why would you divert from this thread as well?
You have already diverted from the other one.Do you need to dominate the course of a discussion?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,23:00) Hi,
We are a living soul.
At death things change.[Ecc 12]
Our body degrades and our spirit returns to God so what is left is our soul.Only those with the Spirit of Life are yet alive to God and will be raised up to be with the Master.
NI do not share that view because it is not totally true ;
first no soul dies for God as not yet Judge all the nations ,
but wen we die ,our soul is send were it should go according to our live history,
some in a favorable place and others in other place less favorable,
but all are waiting for their own resurrection ,the first fruits will be first (144k) then the ones in Christ this is the first resurrection ,and after the 1000 years the second resurrection
what is a resurrection of judgement and that s were all what is left is done ,Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2012,14:36) Hi T,
Souls can die.
mt 10.28
Nyes but only God can destroyed it
Pasted from Frank's pastings
Nick,
So, you are one who believe in the “immortal soul” doctrine?
THE SOUL OF MAN
By Voy Wilks
1970, Revised 1993Does man have an immortal soul dwelling within him? What happens to the soul when a man dies? Can a soul die? Or can it be that man IS a soul? Let us examine the Scriptures and learn, if possible, the correct answer to these questions. This is a biblical topic; therefore we should learn what the Sacred Writings teach.
First: Why Read the Old Testament?Some kindly people have suggested we, the Assembly of Yahweh (7th day), read the Old Testament too much. “Why not read more in the New Testament?” To answer that, let me point out:
1. ALL Scripture (both Old and New), if given by inspiration of Yahweh, is profitable, therefore we should read both the Old and the New.
2. Old Testament Scriptures are many more in number, so naturally these require more reading time than do New Testament Scriptures. In most Bibles, the Old Testament consists of approximately 840 pages, while the New Testament consists of only about 240 pages.
3. The Apostles PROVED their doctrine by Old Testament Scriptures.
4. Of more importance, Yahshua the Messiah taught his disciples from the Old Scriptures. If we revere the Savior, we as his disciples, should revere the Holy Scriptures which he revered. He too, proved his doctrine by the ancient Scriptures, as is indicated in the following quotation:“Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the MOUTH OF YAHWEH” (Deut. 8:3; Mt. 4:4, KJV). This includes Old Testament Scriptures in general and the Ten Commandments in particular. Paul agrees:
” … from a child thou hast known the HOLY SCRIPTURES which are able to make thee wise UNTO SALVATION through faith which is in Messiah Yahshua. ALL Scripture given by inspiration of Yahweh is PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, and for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: that the man of Yahweh may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto ALL good works” (2 Tim. 3:15-17.
Did Paul refer to New Testament writings? No. He referred to the Torah (the Books of Moses), the prophets, the Psalms, and the “Writings” (the Old Testament). Be assured that Paul did not refer to his own writings as “Holy Scriptures.” Instead, he referred to the Old Testament. So let us remember: Paul says Old Testament Scriptures are profitable for establishing DOCTRINE, therefore we too are justified in searching the Old Scriptures to learn what is true. To better understand about the Soul of Man, let us now consult Scriptures which deal with the soul, and discover how the word is used.
Old Testament Evidence:
Astonishing Revelations About the Soul
Gen 46:18 -Souls (KJV) Persons (RSV)
Lev. 5:1,2 -Souls (KJV) Anyone (RSV)
Lev. 5:4 -Souls (KJV) Anyone (RSV).
Lev. 5:17 -Souls (KJV) Anyone (RSV).
Lev. 7:21 -Souls (KJV) Person (RSV).
Lev. 7:27 -Souls (KJV) Whoever (RSV).
Lev. 20: 25 -Souls (KJV) Yourselves (RSV).
Lev. 22:11 -Souls (KJV) Slave (RSV).
Lev. 23:32 -Souls (KJV) Yoursleves (RSV).
Num. 30:4 -Souls (KJV) Herself (RSV).Young's Concordance: When we look at the word SOUL in Young's Concordance, we find that the Hebrew word is NEPHESH, meaning “animal soul.” Here are some very revealing ways NEPHESH is translated in the King James Bible.
Translated No. of Times Translated No. of Times
Appetite 4 Soul 428
Beast 2 Thing 2
Body 2 Lust 2
Body 7 Creature 9
Dead (body) 8 Own 1
Desire 5 Will 4
Man 3 Fish 1
Mind 15 Life 119
Person 30 Self 19Strong's Concordance: “nephesh #5315, a breathing creature, i.e. animal or (abstract) vitality, etc.”
The Nephesh (Soul, Life) Is In the Blood
As noted above, Nephesh is translated SOUL 428 times. However, it is translated LIFE 119 times. Let us at this time review some of the Scriptures in which Nephesh (soul) is translated life in the KJV.
Gen. 9:3-5. “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meet [food] for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the LIFE [nephesh #5315, soul] thereof, WHICH IS THE BLOOD thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your BLOOD of your LIVES [nephesh # 5315, soul] will I require: at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require LIFE [nephesh #5315, soul] of man.”
Gen. 19:17-19. “Escape for you LIFE [nephesh #5315, soul]; look not behind thee, … lest thou be consumed. … Behold now, … though has magnified thy mercy which thou hast showed unto me in saving my LIFE” [nephesh #5315, soul].
Lev. 17:10-15. “And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the STRANGERS that sojourn among you, that EATETH ANY BLOOD; I will even set my face against that SOUL [nephesh] that EATETH BLOOD, and cut him off from among his people. For the LIFE [nephesh, soul] IS IN THE BLOOD: and I have given it to you upon the alter to, make an atonement for your SOULS [nephesh]: for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the SOUL [nephesh]. Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No SOUL [nephesh] of you shall eat BLOOD, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. … For it is the LIFE [nephesh, soul] of ALL FLESH; the BLOOD of it is for the LIFE [NEPHESH, SOUL] IS THE BLOODA thereof: … And every SOUL [nephesh] that eateth …” (KJV).
Num. 35:31. “Moreover you shall accept no ransom for the LIFE [nephesh, soul] of the murderer, … he shall be put to death” (RSV)
Deut. 12:23. “Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: FOR the BLOOD IS the LIFE [nephesh, soul] with the Flesh” (KJV)
1 Sam 19:11. ” … and Michal … told him, If thou save not thy LIFE [nephesh, soul] tonight, tomorrow thou shalt be slain.”
Job 2:6. “And Yahweh said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but SAVE HIS LIFE [nephesh, soul].” What is this? Satan, “a soul saver.” This seems humorous, but it helps in understanding the word nephesh (soul).
Isa. 53:12. ” … because he hath POURED OUT HIS SOUL unto DEATH.”
ECCL. 9:5. The DEAD KNKOW NOTHING at all. This brings to mind an illustration someone made regarding the common view that the DEAD are WISE and know EVERYTHING. Reason: because the “immortal soul” has gone to heaven. He said, “Hit a man on the head with a half pound hammer, and immediately he knows nothing at all because he becomes unconscious. But, hit a man on the head with a 10 pound hammer, and soon he knows EVERYTHING because he is dead. Foolish? Yes, indeed. But it shows the folly of believing the dead know everything, and are more ACUTELY ALIVE than the living ? than before death overtook them.
Souls [Nephesh] Equal Persons
It is interesting to notice that many Scriptures in which the King James Version uses the word SOUL, other versions use words which better convey the true meaning: PERSON, anyone, yourself, yourselves, he who, etc. For your convenience, here are listed a few of these Scriptures from both the KJV and the RSV.
Gen 46:18 -Souls (KJV) Persons (RSV)
Lev. 5:1,2 -Souls (KJV) Anyone (RSV)
Lev. 5:4 -Soul (KJV) Anyone (RSV)
Lev. 5:17 -Soul (KJV) Anyone (RSV)
Lev. 7:21 -Soul (KJV) Person (RSV)
Lev. 7:27 -Soul (KJV) Whoever (RSV)
Lev. 20:25 -Soul (KJV) Yourselves (RSV)
Lev. 22:11 -Soul (KJV) Slave (RSV).
Lev. 23:32 -Soul (KJV) Yourselves (RSV).
Num. 30:4 -Soul (KJV) Herself (RSV).NEPHESH (#5315, soul) is also translated “dead,” meaning “dead person” in the following Scriptures: Lev. 19:28; 21:1; 22-4; Num. 5:2; 6:11.
Living Creatures: Fishes, Bugs, and Animals Are Souls (Nephesh)
The Hebrew word NEPHESH (#5315) is in the King James Version translated LIVING CREATURE nine times. The interesting thing is, these “creatures” [nephesh, souls] are bugs, fishes, birds, and animals:
* Living creatures (nephesh, souls) = fishes in the sea and birds of the air (Gen. 1:21).
* Living c
reatures (nephesh, souls) = cattle of the field (Gen. 1:24).
* Living creatures (nephesh, souls) = beasts of the earth (Gen. 1:24).
* Adam named every LIVING CREATURES [nephesh, soul] (Gen. 2:19).
* Every LIVING CREATURE [nephesh, soul] came out of the ark (Gen. 9:10, 12).
* The rainbow was a covenant between YHWH and LIVING CREATURES [nephesh, souls] (Gen. 9:15, 16).
* Man's food consists of living creatures (nephesh, souls); i.e. animals, fowls, and bugs, which are in the seas, or which creep upon the earth (Lev. 11:46).As you will remember, several Scriptures show that the LIFE is in the BLOOD. The blood itself is referred to as the soul. DEAD BODIES also, are souls. It is now easy to see that a breathing creature is a LIVING soul; and one who has breathed his last, is a DEAD soul. These Scriptures from the Old Testament are more than enough to show that the words SOUL and LIFE are often used interchangeable. The SOUL can refer to the whole person, the physical person, and to the BLOOD within a person. The soul can die from various causes. Again, let us stress these points:
1. The soul [nephesh] is the person, the human being (mail or female), and the living creatures.
2. The soul [nephesh] can die; can be killed by various means; by the sword, lack of food etc.
3. The LIFE [nephesh] is in the blood
4. Death results when the blood is poured out of the soul.
5. A dead body is a dead soul [nephesh].New Testament Evidence
Psuche = Life (Animal life, breath {Young's Concordance})
The Greek word in the New Testament from which “soul” is translated is PSUCHE. It appears in the Greek New Testament 103 times and, in the KJV, was translated: SOUL, 58 times; LIFE, 40 times; HEART, 1 time; and MIND, 3 times.
Lk. 2:35 – A SWORD shall pierce thy soul (psuche obviously = body).
Lk. 12:19 – His soul (psuche = person) enjoyed eating, drinking, and making merry.
Lk. 12:20 – His soul (psuche = life) would be required of him that very night.
Luke 12:19, 20. “And I will say to my soul [psuche], soul [psuche] thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. But El said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul [psuche] shall be required of thee: …”
We see in the New Testament, just as in the Old, that the soul enjoys eating and drinking. These verses could read as follows with no change in meaning:
“I will say to myself: Man, you have ample goods laid up for many years; take your ease, eat, drink, be merry. But El said to him, 'Fool! This night your life will be required of you.'”
The same Greek word (psuche, soul) appears as life in the following verses:
Yahshua said, “Take no thought for your life {psuche}, what you shall eat; … The life {psuche} is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.”
The Psuche (Soul) Can be Destroyed (Die)
Mt. 3:10. “And now the axe is laid unto the Root of the trees; therefore, every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire”. Notice: it is the tree that is hewn down and BURNED, not just the FRUIT, of the tree.
Mt. 3:12. “The chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire.” So it is not that the wicked souls will only be SEPARATED from Yahweh. They will be DESTROYED in the fire - BURNED UP – annihilated, cease to exist.
Acts 3:23. The soul that does not hear, shall be destroyed. The New Scriptures, then, agrees with the Old: The soul that sinneth, it shall die; be destroyed. Not only will the soul be separated from Yahweh, but the soul will DIE – cease to live.
James 5:20. A formula for saving a soul (a person) from death.
1 Pet. 3:20. Eight souls [persons, RSV] were saved by water. This refers to Noah and his family; physical human beings.
Rev. 16:3. The SOULS {psuche} in the sea died because the sea became like the blood of a dead man. (The R.S.V. reads, “EVERY LIVING THING died that was in the sea”). This includes the fishes (souls).
Rev 18:3-14. Tells about the souls (PSUCHE) lusting after trade goods, food, etc. This clearly shows the soul (the person) is not IMMORTAL. Man is very MORTAL, very human, and is dependent upon food, raiment, and shelter – the blessings of the earth.
Does the Soul Leave the Body At Death?
Some believe the souls of the righteous leave the body at death and go to heaven, and the souls of the wicked leave the body at death and go to hell. Is this really true? Let us consider: Yahshua was without sin, a righteous man. If righteous souls go to heaven at death, then Yahshua's soul should by all means have gone to heaven when he died.
Again: If there ever was a soul which should have gone to heaven at death, then Yahshua's soul should have made the trip. Did this happen? No. Scriptures indicate Yahshua's soul went to hell – for three days and three nights (Acts 2:27-31). It did not go to heaven. Instead, it went to hell – the grave. This illustrates two significant points:
1. The souls of the righteous do not go to heaven when the person dies.
2. Generally speaking, the SOUL and the PERSON are one and the same thing. A “living soul” is a living person, and a “dead soul” is a dead person.The Good News is: Yahshua's soul (psuche) was not left in hell (Acts 2:31). He came forth from the grave after three days and three nights. Praise Yahweh! But to continue:
Mt. 2:20. Arise, … for they are dead who sought the young child’s LIFE (psuche, soul).
Mt. 16:25, 26. “For whoever will save his LIFE (psuche) shall lose it: and whoever shall loose his LIFE (psuche)? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his SOUL (psuche).”
Both “LIFE” and “SOUL” appear twice in these verses. All four are translated from the same Greek word, PSUCHE. Here, “life” and “soul” can be interchanged with no loss of meaning. In fact, all are translated “life” in the following versions:
American Standard Version Jerusalem Bible
Berkeley Version Jewish New Testament
Bible in Basic English New Revised Standard Version
Concordant Version New World Translation
Diaglott Revised Standard Version
Emphasized Bible The Sacred Scriptures, Bethel Edition
Good News Bible Weymouth VersionWe have seen people die; therefore we have seen with our own eyes that death is final. There is no part of man which lives on. All is lost; a total, TOTAL LOSS. One moment there is life, breath, thought, action. The next moment there I no breath, no thought, no life, no action. LIFE is replaced by Death. We have seen it, so we know, even without any outside help that were it not for the heavenly Father, death is the end.
In fact, that is why Yahshua was offered as a ransom for us – because we DO NOT have immortality (Ezek. 18:4, 20). Immortality (everlasting life) is a gift of Yahweh (Rom. 6:23); a reward promised to the faithful (Rev. 2A:7, 11). We are to “seek for glory, honor, and immortality, eternal life” (Rom 2:7). We do not have immortality yet, but Yahshua has brought it to light; has made it known; has revealed it to us (2 Tim. 1:10). Therefore we now see how to achieve immortality.
Again, man does not at this time possess immortality. Never once does the Bible speak of the “immortal soul.” These two words never appear together. Paul wrote that only Yahweh has immortality (1 Tim. 6:16). Therefore, no human being living today possesses immortality. We put on immortality only at the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:42-54).
Summary
We have found the Scriptures teach:
1. Soul and person are one and the same thing, generally speaking.
2. The life of the soul is the blood
3. When the blood is poured out, the result is death to the soul.
4. A living being is a living soul; a dead person is a dead soul.
5. When a person dies, the soul does not go to heaven.
6. A person (a human being) IS a soul, therefore:
7. A soul can die, give up life, cease to exist.Death is NOT life. Death i
s the opposite of life. In a moment of time a vital, living, intelligent being can be changed to a lifeless, dead body which knows nothing at all. It is the same with humans and with animals. All die and go to the same place – we return to dust, as Scriptures indicate:“For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beat … All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all turn to dust again” (Eccl. 3:19-20).
Response to Objections
Gen. 35:18. Perhaps some will refer to the death of Rachel. When we understand about the “soul” there is no problem or contradiction here. We have already seen that the soul refers to the life, as well as the body itself. So when life departed from Rachel, she died. Remember. This equivalent word was translated life 119 times in the KJV. It would have been completely proper to have written” … as her LIFE was departing (for she died) …” The meaning is the same.
Rev. 6:9 & 20:4. John saw the souls of those who had been beheaded. The Diaglott reads, “I saw the persons of those who had been beheaded … “ Since SOUL means the “person” (the being), as well as “life” there is no problem in this passage. When Yahweh breathed into Adam’s nostrils, he became a LIVING soul; a LIVING BEING (RSV). Without breath, we become DEAD BEINGS, OR DEAD SOULS.
Mt. 10:28. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him who is about to destroy both SOUL and BODY in hell” (KJV).
Many believe that some part of man is undying (immortal). If true, not even Yahweh can destroy it. But this scripture and many more say that Yahweh can and will destroy (kill, put to death) the SOULS THAT SIN; Ezek. 18:4, 20, 26; Acts 3:23; Mt.. 3:10; Ps. 37:10, 20, 36, 38; Rev. 20:14, 15; 2 Thes. 1:9; to name only a few.
“Be not afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot destroy the {future} life; but rather fear Him who can utterly destroy both life and body in gehenna” (Mt. 10:28, Diaglott).
Verse 39 reveals this is speaking of the future life (psuche): those who deny Yahshua here and now in order to save this present life will lose the future life, but those who lose the present life for the Messiah will find (everlasting) life (psuche) in the future. Man can kill the body but cannot kill in such a way as to prevent Yahweh from giving us a better resurrection (Heb. 11:35); that is, everlasting life, as Scriptures reveal: “He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death” (Rev. 2:10, 11).
Please notice: There is no such thing as immortality separate and apart form Yahweh. He can destroy both soul and body in hell. Destruction is NOT everlasting life in hell. The wicked will one day cease to exist. They will be annihilated (Mt. 3:10-12; 13:30).
1 Thes. 5:23. “And the very El of peace sanctify you holy; and I pray El your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Savior Yahshua Messiah.”
Keeping in mind the things we have learned above, let us write this sentence in other words, but with the same meaning:
“ … I pray El your whole spirit [mind] and soul [psuche = life] and body be preserved …”
Phil. 1:21-23. “For me to live is Messiah, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labor: Yet what I shall choose I I wot not. For I am in a strait betixt two, having a desire to depart, and be with Messiah, which is far better.”
The Apostle Paul had been arrested by Jewish authorities in Jerusalem because he preached that Yahshua is the Messiah. He was forced to appeal to Ceasar. The letter to the Philippians was written in 64 C. E. while he was a prisoner in Rome (Phil.1:7, 12-24; 2 Tim. 1:16, 17). At his first trial before Caesar in C.E. 66, no one stood with Paul. All deserted him (2 Tim. 4:16-18). While writing this letter to the Philippians, Paul debated with himself whether he would (1) gain his freedom or (2) be executed. In either case, he belonged to Yahshua Messiah. Should he live, he would live for the Messiah. Should he be executed, he would die as a martyr for the Messiah. There was “gain” for him in doing so (Phil. 1:21). What is the gain Paul expected? Immediate entrance into Yahshua’s presence in heaven? No. The gain was a “better resurrection” (Heb. 11:35). Paul makes this clear in his continuing comments to the Philippians:
“Indeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Messiah Yahshua my Savior. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as refuse, in order that I might gain Messiah and be found in him, … that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that IF POSSIBLE I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Messiah Yahshua has made me his own. Brethren, I do not consider that I have made it my own; but one thing I do, forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of Yahweh in Messiah Yahshua” (Phil. 3:8-14, RSV).
Now back to Phil. 1:23: Our English Versions appears to say that if Paul departed, he would have been immediately ushered into the presence of Yahshua. As noted above, this was not the case. He awaited the resurrection. Paul himself wrote that it is at the Messiah’s return that the resurrection occurs, and only then the “dead in Messiah will rise first, then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet Yahshua in the air; and so we shall always be with Yahshua” (1 Thes. 4:16, 17 RSV). What then, is the meaning of Phil. 1:23?
The key to understanding is the word “depart” (Greek = analuo). This word appears only twice in the New Testament. The other time it is translated “return.” What? “Return” is the very opposite of “depart.” True, but look at the Scripture:
“ … And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their master, when he will RETURN [analuo] from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the Master when he cometh shall find watching: …” (Luke 12:36, 37).
We see that “analuo” is definitely related to the Messiah’s return, not his going away. There is other evidence indicating analuo should be translated return in Phil. 1:23. In consulting the Diaglott and the NIV Greek/English Interlinear, the correct message appears to be as follows:
“For I am in a strait between two, having a desire for the return, and to be with Messiah; which is far better” [than either of the choices named in verse 21] (Phil. 1:23).
The Interlinear does indeed contain the words, “for the.” English translations omit them, however. This could have happened in al sincerity, since most Bible scholars believe the soul goes to be with the Messiah immediately after death. Paul speaks of three things in particular in Phil. 1:21-23.
1. Paul might be executed.
2. Paul might be acquitted, and live to go free.
3. Paul longed for the return, so he could be with the Messiah.A Final Comment
The view that man has within him an immortal soul which flits off to heaven or to hell at the death of the person is not a biblical doctrine. It has been adopted from the pagan religions. Believing in the immortality of the soul is one step toward believing in re-incarnation. Let us drop all paganism and believe the Sacred Writings which have been inspired by the Most High El – Yahweh (2 Tim. 3:14-17).V
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I do not believe that the soul we have is immortal for the reason that God make the 144K immortal being ,
and that all men receiving live on earth receive EVERLASTING LIFE,so if we receive it after we die then it is normal to think that we did not posses it before or after we died,
Nick,
From what I read it is a long and complicated treatise that cherry picks scripture:
I read nothing of a soul yearning and yet it is written:
Psalm 84:2
New International Version (NIV)2 My soul yearns, even faints,
for the courts of the LORD;
my heart and my flesh cry out
for the living God.Isaiah 26:9
New International Version (NIV)9 My soul yearns for you in the night;
in the morning my spirit longs for you.
When your judgments come upon the earth,
the people of the world learn righteousness.Hi Frank,
Some very good stuff in there.
But man is body soul and spirit.God shows 2 views of man
” Remember man that thou art dust and unto dut thou shalt return”
Ecclesiastes shows this view.Our earthly view of death is irrelevant. We see nothing useful with earthly eyes..
Man was made in the image of God and God is not dust.
'man became a living soul”By the breath of God
MAN[flesh]
became a
LIVING[spirit]
SOUL[soul]You cannot substitute LIFE for soul in this verse.
A man does not CEASE TO EXIST when his body corrupts and his spirit returns to God.
His SOUL awaits the judgement. [heb 9]
Nick
this is another scripture you have problems with Gen 2;7
20 tn Or “fashioned.” The prefixed verb form with vav (ו) consecutive initiates narrative sequence. The Hebrew word יָצַר (yatsar) means “to form” or “to fashion,” usually by plan or design (see the related noun יֵצֶר [yetser] in Gen 6:5). It is the term for an artist’s work (the Hebrew term יוֹצֵר [yotser] refers to a potter; see Jer 18:2-4.)
sn Various traditions in the ancient Near East reflect this idea of creation. Egyptian drawings show a deity turning little people off of the potter’s wheel with another deity giving them life. In the Bible humans are related to the soil and return to it (see 3:19; see also Job 4:19, 20:9; and Isa 29:16).
21 tn The line literally reads “And Yahweh God formed the man, soil, from the ground.” “Soil” is an adverbial accusative, identifying the material from which the man was made.
22 tn The Hebrew word נְשָׁמָה (nÿshamah, “breath”) is used for God and for the life imparted to humans, not animals (see T. C. Mitchell, “The Old Testament Usage of Nÿshama,” VT 11 [1961]: 177-87). Its usage in the Bible conveys more than a breathing living organism (נֶפֶשׁ חַיַּה, nefesh khayyah). Whatever is given this breath of life becomes animated with the life from God, has spiritual understanding (Job 32:8), and has a functioning conscience (Prov 20:27).
sn Human life is described here as consisting of a body (made from soil from the ground) and breath (given by God). Both animals and humans are called “a living being” (נֶפֶשׁ חַיַּה) but humankind became that in a different and more significant way.
23 tn The Hebrew term נֶפֶשׁ (nefesh, “being”) is often translated “soul,” but the word usually refers to the whole person. The phrase נֶפֶשׁ חַיַּה (nefesh khayyah, “living being”) is used of both animals and human beings (see 1:20, 24, 30; 2:19).Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.KJV
what is it that is going IN our NOSTRILS
is this not our breathing cycle what all living thing does to live I am sure that God did not provide us with a spirit through our nostrils
Hi T,
You are sure of many things enough to sit in judgement but you have little true understanding.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,14:49) Hi T,
You are sure of many things enough to sit in judgement but you have little true understanding.
Nwere is your scripture(s)
?? are you mute ??
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