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Quote (lineon @ May 27 2009,13:37) Hi Georg Am I understanding you correctly, you are saying we have no
human spirit?Lineon
lineonNo, that is not what I'm saying, but it depends on what the “human” spirit is to you; most people believe that the spirit in man is their soul, that is not what Paul is saying.
1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
God has created man, and animals, with a brain; but only man can think. When a child is born, the brain is not yet developed, and without any help from the parents the child would die, not so with most of the animals, they know from birth what to do.
This spirit in us enables us to learn, to think, and to make choices, this spirit is our mind, plain and simple.
Think of it as an computer, they all look the same, but are not all programed the same. God has given us individual talents, program, it is up to us to develop that program.
That is what Paul is referring too, we can learn and understand the things of man, the physical world; but the things of God, the spiritual world, knows no man, unless God shows it, reveals it to him.1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
God's Holy Spirit is freely given to us, only if we ask for it.
1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
That is what Paul is saying he is teaching with, God's wisdom, spiritual things.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
By the natural man, Paul means, any one who does not believe the word of God, can not expect to receive the Holy Spirit to guide him, or to understand spiritual matters.
Georg
Hi Georg
Mat 10:28 Don't be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell.
[/B]Here Jesus is speaking about the body an soul, where soul means a breath in Greek.
You say the soul means touchable body?
In all the verses that you quote I do not see the word 'soul'
I know the WWCG used to teach that, I do not know if
they still do.
[WWCG have also changed their name.]Lineon
lineon
Soul and spirit are used at times interchangeably. In Gen. you read, Adam “became” a living soul, he did not “receive” a soul; animals are souls too.
When you die, or you get killed, the first time, your memory, or your spirit/mind is preserved, so that when you are resurrected, you are the same person as you were before, except with a new body.
Jesus is speaking of the second death, in which there will be nothing left of you, not even your memory.Georg
Hi Georg
Why don't just say, in the old testament soul means a touchable thing and in the new testament soul means unsee able body.
Lineon
Hi Georg
The Hebrew and Greek dictionaries seem to differ in meaning.
I also believe the word 'soul' is touchable but in the NT I don't.
But any way I am not a good debater and I do not want to prove a point.
Lineon
lineon
When Adam became a living soul, that means his body is that soul, that is touchable.
When you referr to the spirit/mind in man as soul, that is not touchable.
The problem comes from people thinking, we have a soul which is indestructible, immortal, that of course is not true. There is nothing immortal about us humans; even when God gives us eternal life, that does not make us immortal. Angels, spirit beings, have eternal life, but they are not immortal.
Only God is immortal, and he has “given” immortality to his son Jesus.Georg
Nick
That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.Georg
Gorge………It is the spirit (intellect) given from GOD that animates the Body. Man (BECAME) a loving Soul when SPIRIT (INTELLECT) combined with the BODY. The Word Soul does seem to include both body and Spirit. Jesus said do not fear them that can Kill the body and can do nothing else, but fear him that can Kill (BOTH) body and Soul. The word both shows a combination of Body and Spirit (intellect) So here Jesus show that (both) body and Spirit = Soul and GOD can destory both if He choses to but no one else can destory both which equal to the total SOUL. IMO
love and peace to you and Irene……………………..gene
Quote (Cindy @ June 01 2009,21:29) Nick That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.Georg
Hi Georg,
Living FLESH?He became a living SOUL.
Flesh has no future but salvation of the Soul is the aim.[1Peter]
Quote (Gene @ June 02 2009,02:09) Gorge………It is the spirit (intellect) given from GOD that animates the Body. Man (BECAME) a loving Soul when SPIRIT (INTELLECT) combined with the BODY. The Word Soul does seem to include both body and Spirit. Jesus said do not fear them that can Kill the body and can do nothing else, but fear him that can Kill (BOTH) body and Soul. The word both shows a combination of Body and Spirit (intellect) So here Jesus show that (both) body and Spirit = Soul and GOD can destory both if He choses to but no one else can destory both which equal to the total SOUL. IMO love and peace to you and Irene……………………..gene
Hi Gene:Quote Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul You say “intellect”. This scripture states, “breath of life”.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Cindy @ June 01 2009,21:29) Nick That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.Georg
Hi Georg,
Clay is not dead soul is it?
Flesh is of clay.Soul and spirit are of the breath of God
Quote (Gene @ June 02 2009,02:09) Gorge………It is the spirit (intellect) given from GOD that animates the Body. Man (BECAME) a loving Soul when SPIRIT (INTELLECT) combined with the BODY. The Word Soul does seem to include both body and Spirit. Jesus said do not fear them that can Kill the body and can do nothing else, but fear him that can Kill (BOTH) body and Soul. The word both shows a combination of Body and Spirit (intellect) So here Jesus show that (both) body and Spirit = Soul and GOD can destory both if He choses to but no one else can destory both which equal to the total SOUL. IMO love and peace to you and Irene……………………..gene
GeneIntellect comes with age, as the baby grows, so does its brain, what the child learns and experiences gets stored in the brain; gradually the child learns how to use all this information, that is intellect.
Paul referred to it as the spirit/mind in man, animals don't have that.
I think you're stretching it when you say, “man became a loving soul”.
You're right, in the second death body and soul/mind/spirit will be destroyed.Georg
it seems to me you people rwitgh for the past 400 hundred years the same things over and over it like you can't see be on the old configuration and thing just like an old shoe it fit so well it can not be see throught the eyes of the Lord, same approche than the pharician and doctors of the law ,if some of you read my comment please answer me this few questions,wath is the meaning of the bowl ?wath is the meaning of the seal?wath is the meaning of trumpet?wath is the meaning of the double edge sword?(not wath it contains or unleacht)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2009,07:41) Quote (Cindy @ June 01 2009,21:29) Nick That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.Georg
Hi Georg,
Living FLESH?He became a living SOUL.
Flesh has no future but salvation of the Soul is the aim.[1Peter]
NickWhat is soul?
What is flesh?
Georg
terraricca, hello-We have been studying this in church.I knew the double edged sword is pertainng to Jesus but I cant remember it all but this here will help you(gotquestions.org)The seven seals (Revelation 6:1-17, 8:1-5), seven trumpets (Revelation 8:6-21, 11:15-19), and seven bowls (Revelation 16:1-21) are three succeeding series of end-times judgments from God. The judgments get progressively worse and more devastating as the end times progress. The seven seals, trumpets, and bowls are connected to one another. The seventh seal introduces the seven trumpets (Revelation 8:1-5), and the seventh trumpet introduces the seven bowls (Revelation 11:15-19, 15:1-8).
The first four of the seven seals are known as the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. The first seal introduces the Antichrist (Revelation 6:1-2). The second seal causes great warfare (Revelation 6:3-4). The third of the seven seals causes famine (Revelation 6:5-6). The fourth seal brings about plague, further famine, and further warfare (Revelation 6:7-8).
The fifth seal tells us of those who will be martyred for their faith in Christ during the end times (Revelation 6:9-11). God hears their cries for justice and will deliver it in His timing—in the form of the sixth seal, along with the trumpet and bowl judgments. When the sixth of the seven seals is broken, a devastating earthquake occurs, causing massive upheaval and terrible devastation—along with unusual astronomical phenomena (Revelation 6:12-14). Those who survive are right to cry out, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” (Revelation 6:16-17).
The seven trumpets are described in Revelation 8:6-21. The seven trumpets are the “contents” of the seventh seal (Revelation 8:1-5). The first trumpet causes hail and fire that destroys much of the plant life in the world (Revelation 8:7). The second trumpet brings about what seems to be a meteor hitting the oceans and causing the death of much of the world’s sea life (Revelation 8:8-9). The third trumpet is similar to the second, except it affects the world’s lakes and rivers instead of the oceans (Revelation 8:10-11).
The fourth of the seven trumpets causes the sun and moon to be darkened (Revelation 8:12). The fifth trumpet results in a plague of “demonic locusts” that attack and torture humanity (Revelation 9:1-11). The sixth trumpet releases a demonic army that kills a third of humanity (Revelation 9:12-21). The seventh trumpet calls forth the seven angels with the seven bowls of God’s wrath (Revelation 11:15-19, 15:1-8).
The seven bowl judgments are described in Revelation 16:1-21. The seven bowl judgments are called forth by the seventh trumpet. The first bowl causes painful sores to break out on humanity (Revelation 16:2). The second bowl results in the death of every living thing in the sea (Revelation 16:3). The third bowl causes the rivers to turn into blood (Revelation 16:4-7). The fourth of the seven bowls results in the sun’s heat being intensified and causing great pain (Revelation 16:8-9). The fifth bowl causes great darkness and an intensification of the sores from the first bowl (Revelation 16:10-11). The sixth bowl results in the Euphrates River being dried up and the armies of the Antichrist being gathered together to wage the battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16:12-14). The seventh bowl results in a devastating earthquake followed by giant hailstones (Revelation 16:15-21).
Revelation 16:5-7 declares of God, “You are just in these judgments, you who are and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged; for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve. … Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments.”
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