The seven trumpets

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  • #131782
    lineon
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    Hi Georg

    Am I understanding you correctly, you are saying we have no
    human spirit?

    You may be correct because some of our spirits are fast asleep
    and we humans only live by human nature as can be seen
    by the ways of the world of today.

    [BRom 8:16 God's Spirit joins himself to our spirits to declare that we are God's children.

    [/B]
    As the above verse indicates our Lords Spirit is trying to
    wake our spirit up so that we can leave our human nature
    buried in a hole and take on the armor of our Lord.

    Hopefully we will never dig up our human nature again.

    Lineon

    #131802
    Cindy
    Participant

    Quote (lineon @ May 27 2009,13:37)
    Hi Georg

    Am I understanding you correctly, you are saying we have no
    human spirit?

    Lineon


    lineon

    No, that is not what I'm saying, but it depends on what the “human” spirit is to you; most people believe that the spirit in man is their soul, that is not what Paul is saying.

    1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    God has created man, and animals, with a brain; but only man can think. When a child is born, the brain is not yet developed, and without any help from the parents the child would die, not so with most of the animals, they know from birth what to do.
    This spirit in us enables us to learn, to think, and to make choices, this spirit is our mind, plain and simple.
    Think of it as an computer, they all look the same, but are not all programed the same. God has given us individual talents, program, it is up to us to develop that program.
    That is what Paul is referring too, we can learn and understand the things of man, the physical world; but the things of God, the spiritual world, knows no man, unless God shows it, reveals it to him.

    1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    God's Holy Spirit is freely given to us, only if we ask for it.

    1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    That is what Paul is saying he is teaching with, God's wisdom, spiritual things.

    1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    By the natural man, Paul means, any one who does not believe the word of God, can not expect to receive the Holy Spirit to guide him, or to understand spiritual matters.

    Georg

    #131813
    lineon
    Participant

    Hi Georg

    Mat 10:28 Don't be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell.
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    Here Jesus is speaking about the body an soul, where soul means a breath in Greek.

    You say the soul means touchable body?

    In all the verses that you quote I do not see the word 'soul'

    I know the WWCG used to teach that, I do not know if
    they still do.
    [WWCG have also changed their name.]

    Lineon

    #131821
    Cindy
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    lineon

    Soul and spirit are used at times interchangeably. In Gen. you read, Adam “became” a living soul, he did not “receive” a soul; animals are souls too.
    When you die, or you get killed, the first time, your memory, or your spirit/mind is preserved, so that when you are resurrected, you are the same person as you were before, except with a new body.
    Jesus is speaking of the second death, in which there will be nothing left of you, not even your memory.

    Georg

    #131905
    lineon
    Participant

    Hi Georg

    Why don't just say, in the old testament soul means a touchable thing and in the new testament soul means unsee able body.

    Lineon

    #131911
    Cindy
    Participant

    lineon

    The meaning is the same, Old or New Testament.

    Georg

    #132012
    lineon
    Participant

    Hi Georg

    The Hebrew and Greek dictionaries seem to differ in meaning.

    I also believe the word 'soul' is touchable but in the NT I don't.

    But any way I am not a good debater and I do not want to prove a point.

    Lineon

    :) :D

    #132037
    Cindy
    Participant

    lineon

    When Adam became a living soul, that means his body is that soul, that is touchable.
    When you referr to the spirit/mind in man as soul, that is not touchable.
    The problem comes from people thinking, we have a soul which is indestructible, immortal, that of course is not true. There is nothing immortal about us humans; even when God gives us eternal life, that does not make us immortal. Angels, spirit beings, have eternal life, but they are not immortal.
    Only God is immortal, and he has “given” immortality to his son Jesus.

    Georg

    #132041
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Georg,
    A body is not a soul.
    The body cannot inherit but salvation of the soul is the aim.

    #132103
    Cindy
    Participant

    Nick

    Your body is the soul; look up Gen. 2:7.

    Georg

    #132106
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Georg,
    Gen 2 does not say that.
    Man[body] became a living[spirit] soul[soul]

    #132107
    Cindy
    Participant

    Nick

    That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
    Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.

    Georg

    #132113
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Gorge………It is the spirit (intellect) given from GOD that animates the Body. Man (BECAME) a loving Soul when SPIRIT (INTELLECT) combined with the BODY. The Word Soul does seem to include both body and Spirit. Jesus said do not fear them that can Kill the body and can do nothing else, but fear him that can Kill (BOTH) body and Soul. The word both shows a combination of Body and Spirit (intellect) So here Jesus show that (both) body and Spirit = Soul and GOD can destory both if He choses to but no one else can destory both which equal to the total SOUL. IMO

    love and peace to you and Irene……………………..gene

    #132143
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Cindy @ June 01 2009,21:29)
    Nick

    That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
    Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.

    Georg


    Hi Georg,
    Living FLESH?

    He became a living SOUL.

    Flesh has no future but salvation of the Soul is the aim.[1Peter]

    #132172
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Gene @ June 02 2009,02:09)
    Gorge………It is the spirit (intellect) given from GOD that animates the Body. Man (BECAME) a loving Soul when SPIRIT (INTELLECT) combined with the BODY. The Word Soul does seem to include both body and Spirit.  Jesus said do not fear them that can Kill the body and can do nothing else, but fear him that can Kill (BOTH) body and Soul. The word both shows a combination of Body and Spirit (intellect) So here Jesus show that (both) body and Spirit = Soul and GOD can destory both if He choses to but no one else can destory both which equal to the total SOUL.  IMO

    love and peace to you and Irene……………………..gene


    Hi Gene:

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    Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

    You say “intellect”. This scripture states, “breath of life”.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #132176
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Cindy @ June 01 2009,21:29)
    Nick

    That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
    Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.

    Georg


    Hi Georg,
    Clay is not dead soul is it?
    Flesh is of clay.

    Soul and spirit are of the breath of God

    #132178
    Cindy
    Participant

    Quote (Gene @ June 02 2009,02:09)
    Gorge………It is the spirit (intellect) given from GOD that animates the Body. Man (BECAME) a loving Soul when SPIRIT (INTELLECT) combined with the BODY. The Word Soul does seem to include both body and Spirit.  Jesus said do not fear them that can Kill the body and can do nothing else, but fear him that can Kill (BOTH) body and Soul. The word both shows a combination of Body and Spirit (intellect) So here Jesus show that (both) body and Spirit = Soul and GOD can destory both if He choses to but no one else can destory both which equal to the total SOUL.  IMO

    love and peace to you and Irene……………………..gene


    Gene

    Intellect comes with age, as the baby grows, so does its brain, what the child learns and experiences gets stored in the brain; gradually the child learns how to use all this information, that is intellect.
    Paul referred to it as the spirit/mind in man, animals don't have that.
    I think you're stretching it when you say, “man became a loving soul”.
    You're right, in the second death body and soul/mind/spirit will be destroyed.

    Georg

    #149696
    terraricca
    Participant

    it seems to me you people rwitgh for the past 400 hundred years the same things over and over it like you can't see be on the old configuration and thing just like an old shoe it fit so well it can not be see throught the eyes of the Lord, same approche than the pharician and doctors of the law ,if some of you read my comment please answer me this few questions,wath is the meaning of the bowl ?wath is the meaning of the seal?wath is the meaning of trumpet?wath is the meaning of the double edge sword?(not wath it contains or unleacht)

    #149757
    georg
    Participant

    terrarrica

    The are all symbolic.

    Georg

    #150295
    georg
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2009,07:41)

    Quote (Cindy @ June 01 2009,21:29)
    Nick

    That's right, before man became a living soul, he was just a clay figure, dead soul.
    Man did not become living spirit, he became living flesh.

    Georg


    Hi Georg,
    Living FLESH?

    He became a living SOUL.

    Flesh has no future but salvation of the Soul is the aim.[1Peter]


    Nick

    What is soul?

    What is flesh?

    Georg

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