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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 31 2009,07:52) to all
it seems that some people like to in slaved to phisical process ,this is called religion,like dothis,not this ,that,like this,not like that and so on,read your bible from one page to the other and learn,stop reading the opinions of others,maybe you will see and understant,
I assume you mean enslaved to the physical form of religion while neglecting the Spirit.There are several conversations going on and to classify them all under 1 label is an error.
I find that the opinions of others aid me in my search for God even though many seem to try to distract me and lead me astray. I suppose you could say they do make the way an obstacle course. Still, I believe that the testing of my faith and determination is a good thing.
Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,20:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 31 2009,13:48) This is what the Word of God states: Quote 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Love in Christ,
Marty
O.K. now what do you consider the doctrine of Christ, Marty?
Keeping the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and God, So what does Christ mean by these Scriptures? I am curious?
Keeping the Sabbath is the Old Covenant and not the New in Christ Jesus. You can't have it both,
Irene
A Sabbath is a sign between “man” and God.Quote 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth [parabainō], and abideth not in the doctrine [didachē] of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine [didachē] of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Parabainō: Neglect, violate, to overstep, pass over, turn aside from, to depart, who abandons.
Didachē: Teaching, doctrine, instruction.
Doctrine: A belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative, a body of teachings or “instructions, a rule or principle or the law established, a body of instruction, a rule or idea that is part of a system of belief, a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
Synonyms: Tenet, dogma, theory, precept, belief.
Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,20:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,13:15) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2009,17:52) to all
it seems that some people like to in slaved to phisical process ,this is called religion,like dothis,not this ,that,like this,not like that and so on,read your bible from one page to the other and learn,stop reading the opinions of others,maybe you will see and understant,
I am not enslaved by keeping the Sabbath.
If you are a Jew, then you should keep the Sabbath. So what are you doing on a Christian Website? Jew's usually don't believe that Christ has returned already. If you do, you are not a practising Jew, are you?
Irene
So your saying there are no Christian Jews?Let's see Jesus was a Jew, All but one of the Apostles were Jews.
Jesus taught to the Jews. The Apostles taught the Jews.
The first converts and followers were Jews.
The Gentiles were last on the bus, but they were grafted in.
So your saying a Jew who believes in Jesus is not allowed to speak here?
You believe Christ has already returned? Judgement has taken place? The wicked have been destroyed? My loved ones have already been resurrected? This is the new earth? God has wiped away all sorrow, tears, anguish, and sin?
Where are all the heavenly Host that came with him, where is Jesus and where is the Father, are we all not all to live happily ever after with God and his Son? Also why is the sun still here? Insny God's radience supposed to be the light for the new kingdom?
You sound anti-semetic.
Wrong that is not what it says. The Sabbath is a sign between God and the children of Israels.
Exodus 31:16-17.
Then look at see what the doctrie of Christ is.
Math. 22:37-40
You have fallen fom grace;
Galatians 5:4
IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,22:41) Hi CON,
You must keep the doctrine and obey the commandments of Christ.
Best we find out what they are but they are not the OT law.You should not condemn those that obey his words because of a misunderstanding that we inherit the OT law.
Did I condemn someone?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,18:01) Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,20:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,13:15) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2009,17:52) to all
it seems that some people like to in slaved to phisical process ,this is called religion,like dothis,not this ,that,like this,not like that and so on,read your bible from one page to the other and learn,stop reading the opinions of others,maybe you will see and understant,
I am not enslaved by keeping the Sabbath.
If you are a Jew, then you should keep the Sabbath. So what are you doing on a Christian Website? Jew's usually don't believe that Christ has returned already. If you do, you are not a practising Jew, are you?
Irene
So your saying there are no Christian Jews?Let's see Jesus was a Jew, All but one of the Apostles were Jews.
Jesus taught to the Jews. The Apostles taught the Jews.
The first converts and followers were Jews.
The Gentiles were last on the bus, but they were grafted in.
So your saying a Jew who believes in Jesus is not allowed to speak here?
You believe Christ has already returned? Judgement has taken place? The wicked have been destroyed? My loved ones have already been resurrected? This is the new earth? God has wiped away all sorrow, tears, anguish, and sin?
Where are all the heavenly Host that came with him, where is Jesus and where is the Father, are we all not all to live happily ever after with God and his Son? Also why is the sun still here? Insny God's radience supposed to be the light for the new kingdom?
You sound anti-semetic.
Paul was commissioned to preach the Gentles, which we are.Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,23:04) Wrong that is not what it says. The Sabbath is a sign between God and the children of Israels.
Exodus 31:16-17.
Then look at see what the doctrie of Christ is.
Math. 22:37-40
You have fallen fom grace;
Galatians 5:4
Irene
The Sabbath is not just for the Jews, but rather for all men. (Mk 2:27)Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,23:08) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,18:01) Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,20:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,13:15) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2009,17:52) to all
it seems that some people like to in slaved to phisical process ,this is called religion,like dothis,not this ,that,like this,not like that and so on,read your bible from one page to the other and learn,stop reading the opinions of others,maybe you will see and understant,
I am not enslaved by keeping the Sabbath.
If you are a Jew, then you should keep the Sabbath. So what are you doing on a Christian Website? Jew's usually don't believe that Christ has returned already. If you do, you are not a practising Jew, are you?
Irene
So your saying there are no Christian Jews?Let's see Jesus was a Jew, All but one of the Apostles were Jews.
Jesus taught to the Jews. The Apostles taught the Jews.
The first converts and followers were Jews.
The Gentiles were last on the bus, but they were grafted in.
So your saying a Jew who believes in Jesus is not allowed to speak here?
You believe Christ has already returned? Judgement has taken place? The wicked have been destroyed? My loved ones have already been resurrected? This is the new earth? God has wiped away all sorrow, tears, anguish, and sin?
Where are all the heavenly Host that came with him, where is Jesus and where is the Father, are we all not all to live happily ever after with God and his Son? Also why is the sun still here? Insny God's radience supposed to be the light for the new kingdom?
You sound anti-semetic.
Paul was commissioned to preach the Gentles, which we are.
That is what I said, do you actually read what other people write? Or do you just gloss over it?Quote Let's see Jesus was a Jew, All but one of the Apostles were Jews. Quote The Gentiles were last on the bus, but they were grafted in. Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote The Sabbath is not just for the Jews, but rather for all men. (Mk 2:27)
I disagree with you on your interpretation of that verse but I would like to know what you think of the scripture I quoted from Colossians 2 earlier. That is the one that mentions the Sabbath day and not the one I cited to Gene.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,18:23) Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,23:04) Wrong that is not what it says. The Sabbath is a sign between God and the children of Israels.
Exodus 31:16-17.
Then look at see what the doctrie of Christ is.
Math. 22:37-40
You have fallen fom grace;
Galatians 5:4
Irene
The Sabbath is not just for the Jews, but rather for all men. (Mk 2:27)Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
You did not finish Mark 2:28 Therefore te Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.
What do you thin that mans.
Not God changed His mind and now all man should keep the Sabbath. No that makes no sense. God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. If He said in Exodus 31 that it was a sign for God and the Children of Israel then that is so.
Also what did Paul say in
Romans 14:5One person esteems one day, above another, and another esteems every day alike.
Guess what IMO since I have God's Holy Spirit living in me every day to me is Holy and not just Saturday. I esteem every day alike,because of that.
I don't need just a day. Besides we are retired and can do so.
We are under grace.
Ephesians 2:8-9-10
Also Read in Galatians all. Paul is calling them foolish Galatians because they wanted to go back to the Old Covenant.
That's it my friend I am getting really tired to explain to you over and over about the Sabbath, you just can't get it. Go and debate it with someone else I am not the only one that disagree's with you.
Good luck, IreneIrene,
What do you think Paul meant when he taught “One person esteems one day, above another,” to the congregation at Rome?
What do you think esteems means. I said I keep every day to the Lord, I have God'sHoly Spiritiving in me, and that makes us a Holy People and is the temople of God. I am not a Jew or a spiritual Israelite like some say here. I am a gentle, the Sabbath was a sign between God and the cjildren of Israel,,,,Period…I am so finished with this subject Amen
IreneQuote (georg @ Oct. 31 2009,00:23) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,18:23) Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,23:04) Wrong that is not what it says. The Sabbath is a sign between God and the children of Israels.
Exodus 31:16-17.
Then look at see what the doctrie of Christ is.
Math. 22:37-40
You have fallen fom grace;
Galatians 5:4
Irene
The Sabbath is not just for the Jews, but rather for all men. (Mk 2:27)Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
You did not finish Mark 2:28 Therefore te Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.
What do you thin that mans.
Not God changed His mind and now all man should keep the Sabbath. No that makes no sense. God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. If He said in Exodus 31 that it was a sign for God and the Children of Israel then that is so.
Also what did Paul say in
Romans 14:5One person esteems one day, above another, and another esteems every day alike.
Guess what IMO since I have God's Holy Spirit living in me every day to me is Holy and not just Saturday. I esteem every day alike,because of that.
I don't need just a day. Besides we are retired and can do so.
We are under grace.
Ephesians 2:8-9-10
Also Read in Galatians all. Paul is calling them foolish Galatians because they wanted to go back to the Old Covenant.
That's it my friend I am getting really tired to explain to you over and over about the Sabbath, you just can't get it. Go and debate it with someone else I am not the only one that disagree's with you.
Good luck, Irene
Are all days equally sacred? (Ro 14:5,6)No
These verses are parenthetical within a larger context concerning the controversy over food sacrificed to idols.
Note that no mention is made of the Sabbath.
Another controversy (regarding or not regarding certain days) is mentioned.
Another eating or not eating controversy (fasting) is linked to these days.
Thus, Paul mentions another needless controversy: fast days.
There is no command about regular fast days.
These days were based on the traditions of men. (Lk 18:12)
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,02:38) Quote (georg @ Oct. 31 2009,00:23) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 31 2009,18:23) Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,23:04) Wrong that is not what it says. The Sabbath is a sign between God and the children of Israels.
Exodus 31:16-17.
Then look at see what the doctrie of Christ is.
Math. 22:37-40
You have fallen fom grace;
Galatians 5:4
Irene
The Sabbath is not just for the Jews, but rather for all men. (Mk 2:27)Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
John 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
You did not finish Mark 2:28 Therefore te Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.
What do you thin that mans.
Not God changed His mind and now all man should keep the Sabbath. No that makes no sense. God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. If He said in Exodus 31 that it was a sign for God and the Children of Israel then that is so.
Also what did Paul say in
Romans 14:5One person esteems one day, above another, and another esteems every day alike.
Guess what IMO since I have God's Holy Spirit living in me every day to me is Holy and not just Saturday. I esteem every day alike,because of that.
I don't need just a day. Besides we are retired and can do so.
We are under grace.
Ephesians 2:8-9-10
Also Read in Galatians all. Paul is calling them foolish Galatians because they wanted to go back to the Old Covenant.
That's it my friend I am getting really tired to explain to you over and over about the Sabbath, you just can't get it. Go and debate it with someone else I am not the only one that disagree's with you.
Good luck, Irene
Are all days equally sacred? (Ro 14:5,6)No
These verses are parenthetical within a larger context concerning the controversy over food sacrificed to idols.
Note that no mention is made of the Sabbath.
Another controversy (regarding or not regarding certain days) is mentioned.
Another eating or not eating controversy (fasting) is linked to these days.
Thus, Paul mentions another needless controversy: fast days.
There is no command about regular fast days.
These days were based on the traditions of men. (Lk 18:12)
Note that the 4th commandment states that we are to work the first 6 days of every week.If every day could be a Sabbath, then every day could be a work day for some and a rest day for others. This scheme would bring mass confusion to both corporate worship and corporate work. But God is a God of order. (1Co 14:33,40)
Was the weekly Sabbath a shadow of things to come? (Col 2:13-17) (No)
The days referred to are special annual Sabbath days, not the weekly Sabbath.
They were called Sabbaths because of their restriction to do no work. (Lev 23:28,29,32,35,36,39)
Distinguished from the weekly Sabbaths that were part of the immutable moral law (Lev 23:1-4,37,38)
These aspects of the ceremonial law were to be phased out. (Gal 4:9-11)
Does a salvation “rest” replace the Sabbath? (Heb 4:4,8-11)
No.
Entering the promised land (which represents salvation) is referred to as entering into God's rest. (Heb 3:7-11)
The Sabbath rest is used here as symbolic of salvation by faith (without works). (Heb 4:4-6)
The people did not obtain salvation because of unbelief. (Heb 4:2,10,11)
The people practiced the letter of the law, but they did not internalize the law in their heart. (Heb 3:7-11, Heb 4:7) (compare Heb 8:10)
Another day (today) is being offered to everyone to receive salvation by faith. (Heb 3:12-15, Heb 4:7,8)
Salvation by faith has always been the only plan for salvation (since the foundation of the world). (Heb 4:3 compare Rev 13:8)
Rather than being replaced by salvation by faith, the Sabbath is a weekly reminder of our reliance on faith in Jesus, rather than works. (Ex 20:8-11, Ro 3:20,27,28)
Rather than being replaced by salvation by faith, the Sabbath provides one day each week to focus on and strengthen our faith. (Mk 2:27)
Quote (georg @ Oct. 31 2009,16:28) What do you think esteems means. I said I keep every day to the Lord, I have God'sHoly Spiritiving in me, and that makes us a Holy People and is the temople of God. I am not a Jew or a spiritual Israelite like some say here. I am a gentle, the Sabbath was a sign between God and the cjildren of Israel,,,,Period…I am so finished with this subject Amen
Irene
Irene,I was not asking what your custom is. I was asking instead what Paul meant by the words he wrote.
To me the words are vague. It is only after reading the reference in his letter to the Colossians that I have come to the conclusion he was probably referring to the Sabbath day. If that is so, then it seems he is stating some member of the congregation in Rome celebrated the Sabbath while other did not and he instructed each not to judge the other by their decision.
Is this the point you are trying to make?
Sunday is the day of the Sun, which was honored by pagan Sun worshippers.
God categorized sun worship at the temple as the greatest of its “abominations”. (Eze 8:6-18)
Note: Tammuz – a Babylonian god of vegetation, pastures, and flocks
Sunday is the first day of the week. There are 8 verses in the new testament that reference this day.
1. (Mt 28:1) – No indication of a change of the Sabbath
2. (Mk 16:2) – No indication of a change of the Sabbath
3. (Mk 16:9) – No indication of a change of the Sabbath
4. (Lk 24:1) – No indication of a change of the Sabbath
5. (Jn 20:1) – No indication of a change of the Sabbath
6. (Jn 20:19) – The disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, not for worship.
7. (Ac 20:7) – This meeting was held during what we now call Saturday night (Biblical days are sundown to sundown).
Paul talked during the night hours because he was leaving in the morning. (Ac 20:11)
Note that the disciples gathered together daily to break bread. (Ac 2:46)
8. (1Co 16:2) – This was not even a meeting.
Each man was requested to set aside money at the beginning of each week.
The only reference to “Lord's Day” in the New Testament (Rev 1:10) refers to Sabbath, not Sunday (Isa 58:13, Mt 12:8)
To All………..the Sabbath is (symbolic) of (how) the salvation process works, we must cease from (OUR) works and Let GOD WORK IN US, as Jesus did. After being confronted by the Jews about breaking the Sabbath, Jesus said ” THE SON OF MAN CAN DO (NOTHING) OF HIMSELF”. Notice what he said , now why do you think he said it , BECAUSE GOD WAS DOING THE WORK, Jesus was Keeping the sabbath he was not the one doing the work he was just going alone with the work GOD The FATHER was doing. Jesus Keep the sabbath by ceasing from doing His WILL, all the time not just one day a week.
peace and love to you all……………………..gene
To ALL………..> NOTHING IN GODS TEN COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE AWAY WITH , THEY ARE FULFILLED THROUGH THE SPIRIT (INTELLECT) OF GOD IN US. His HOLY SPIRIT is (NOT) against His commandments. Why can't you people understand that. The only done away with is the WORKS of LAW (FORCED COMPLIANCE). We are not (FORCED to COMPLY) we are CREATED TO COMPLY BY GOD THE FATHER'S SPIRIT. “FOR WE ARE (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS”. HE (GOD THE FATHER) GIVES US NEW HEARTS AND THEREBY CAUSES US TO WALK IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS COMMANDMENTS. Why let (MYSTERY RELIGION) complicate everything, it is simple not difficult to understand.
peace and love to you all…………………gene
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