The pure unadulterated gospel

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Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 08 2009,03:34)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,10:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 06 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2009,19:53) Hi TT, He also said the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus. Paul was given the practical exposition of how the Spirit would lead us to follow Jesus. You are mistaken Nick. Jesus did NOT say that the Spirit would remind them of things He said. He said that He had many more things to say to them and that He would send the Spirit to tell them these those things. He said that the Spirit would show them things “to come.” Your statement that the Spirit would “remind” of past things Jesus said is a total fabrication without any basis at all. thinker Hi thethinker: What about the following scripture? Quote Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Nick was saying that John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would remind them of things Jesus said. But John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would teach them things Jesus had not spoken to them. thinker

Hi thethinker:

“Bring to remembrance” would be to remind, don't you think?

Jesus had already taught them.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2009,13:31)

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 08 2009,03:34) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,10:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 06 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2009,19:53) Hi TT, He also said the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus. Paul was given the practical exposition of how the Spirit would lead us to follow Jesus. You are mistaken Nick. Jesus did NOT say that the Spirit would remind them of things He said. He said that He had many more things to say to them and that He would send the Spirit to tell them these those things. He said that the Spirit would show them things “to come.” Your statement that the Spirit would “remind” of past things Jesus said is a total fabrication without any basis at all. thinker Hi thethinker: What about the following scripture? Quote Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Nick was saying that John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would remind them of things Jesus said. But John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would teach them things Jesus had not spoken to them. thinker Hi thethinker: “Bring to remembrance” would be to remind, don't you think? Jesus had already taught them. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,
You have not followed this discussion with comprehension. Nick denied that Jesus would say more things to them when the Spirit came. Nick was saying that the Spirit would only remind them of what Jesus had already told them. But John 16 does not say that the Spirit would remind them. It says hat the Spirit would disclose new information to them.

thinker

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bodhitharta said:

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I agree with that being the “meat” but that was not Paul's Gospel it was what Jesus taught to his disciples. Paul took that Gospel and made it his own.

No way! Jesus taught that if we don't forgive we will not be forgiven. Paul taught that we forgive because we have been forgiven already. Jesus taught to keep the letter of Moses. Paul taught to do away with Moses (the letter of the law). Jesus taught principles of the old covenant it were still in effect. Paul taught AFTER Jesus had instituted the new covenant in His blood and the old covenant had been done away.

thinker

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Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,06:39)

bodhitharta said: Quote I agree with that being the “meat” but that was not Paul's Gospel it was what Jesus taught to his disciples. Paul took that Gospel and made it his own. No way! Jesus taught that if we don't forgive we will not be forgiven. Paul taught that we forgive because we have been forgiven already. Jesus taught to keep the letter of Moses. Paul taught to do away with Moses (the letter of the law). Jesus taught principles of the old covenant it was still in effect. Paul taught AFTER Jesus had instituted the new covenant in His blood and the old covenant had been done away. thinker

But still if we don't forgive we will not be forgiven. Jesus taught, that love fulfills the Law. Paul taught that sin is a part of who you are so you can never not sin because flesh is always sinful.

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2009,07:41)

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,06:39) bodhitharta said: Quote I agree with that being the “meat” but that was not Paul's Gospel it was what Jesus taught to his disciples. Paul took that Gospel and made it his own. No way! Jesus taught that if we don't forgive we will not be forgiven. Paul taught that we forgive because we have been forgiven already. Jesus taught to keep the letter of Moses. Paul taught to do away with Moses (the letter of the law). Jesus taught principles of the old covenant it was still in effect. Paul taught AFTER Jesus had instituted the new covenant in His blood and the old covenant had been done away. thinker But still if we don't forgive we will not be forgiven. Jesus taught, that love fulfills the Law. Paul taught that sin is a part of who you are so you can never not sin because flesh is always sinful.

You said that we can never not sin. You're right. Then we can never fulfill the law. Jesus fulfilled the law IN OUR BEHALF. This is the true gospel. One who has Jesus in his heart will forgive his brother. But he is NOT forgiven by God on that basis.

thinker

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Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,10:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 10 2009,07:41) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,06:39) bodhitharta said: Quote I agree with that being the “meat” but that was not Paul's Gospel it was what Jesus taught to his disciples. Paul took that Gospel and made it his own. No way! Jesus taught that if we don't forgive we will not be forgiven. Paul taught that we forgive because we have been forgiven already. Jesus taught to keep the letter of Moses. Paul taught to do away with Moses (the letter of the law). Jesus taught principles of the old covenant it was still in effect. Paul taught AFTER Jesus had instituted the new covenant in His blood and the old covenant had been done away. thinker But still if we don't forgive we will not be forgiven. Jesus taught, that love fulfills the Law. Paul taught that sin is a part of who you are so you can never not sin because flesh is always sinful. You said that we can never not sin. You're right. Then we can never fulfill the law. Jesus fulfilled the law IN OUR BEHALF. This is the true gospel. One who has Jesus in his heart will forgive his brother. But he is NOT forgiven by God on that basis. thinker

If Jesus fulfilled the law on our behalf then why did Jesus say you have your own cross to bear?

[GeneBalthrop]

DB………Jesus did not full fill the law on our behalf, He Paid the DEATH Penalty for us. GOD Justice demands Payment and He paid it, we have been purchased with a price. The Price was Jesus' death on the cross. And will not GOD who did (NOT) spare His son for us , not give us all things together with Him? Jesus is our Kinsman redeemer and Being one of Us he had the right to redeem Us and pay our debt to GOD. And GOD excepted that Payment for all mankind. God's Law allowes that to Happen even in the old covenant it was allowed, But the issue of Us having to keep GOD'S commandments is and alway will be for us to do them and with His Spirit (intellect) He gives us we will be able to Keep them. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………gene

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Quote (Gene @ Aug. 10 2009,13:20)

DB………Jesus did not full fill the law on our behalf, He Paid the DEATH Penalty for us. GOD Justice demands Payment and He paid it, we have been purchased with a price. The Price was Jesus' death on the cross. And will not GOD who did (NOT) spare His son for us , not give us all things together with Him? Jesus is our Kinsman redeemer and Being one of Us he had the right to redeem Us and pay our debt to GOD. And GOD excepted that Payment for all mankind. God's Law allowes that to Happen even in the old covenant it was allowed, But the issue of Us having to keep GOD'S commandments is and alway will be for us to do them and with His Spirit (intellect) He gives us we will be able to Keep them. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………gene

There is no payment required for sin other than repentence God said he did not even command Sacrifices and offerings

Jeremiah 7(King James Version)

22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

God has always been merciful and forgiving of sins without any sacrifice at all.

I already have explained to you that even in leviticus it explains that the scapegoat is the goat that is not killed but set free anmd it is the goat that carries away the sins of the people it must be presented Alive before the Lord.

You keep saying God's justice demands payment but the scriptures don't show that even Jesus forgave sinners without any payment and that was before the cross.

[GeneBalthrop]

DB………..The escape GOAT was let go in the wilderness to (DIE) He was taken outside the camp and let go caring the sins of all the people on His head, and there He would Have died. Jesus was also taken outside the city and carried all the sins of the People on His Head and there He died also. Jesus was our scape Goat. We escape death because of His payment, “We have been purchased with a price”. Your saying GOD does not hold accountability is also not true, What do you do with the Scripture that says “the soul that sineth (It) Shall die” God Said if I say unto the righteous you shall surely live and He trust in his righteousness and commit iniquity He shall (Not) surely live but He shall die for the sins He has committed. To say GOD does not hold us accountable for our sin is folly. GOD (JUSTICE) DEMANDS PAYMENT. If he did not demand Judgment He would have never gave the Laws to Israel, “for every sin shall recieve it's JUST RECOMPENSE”. Where does it say Jesus forgave Sins HIMSELF, Because He said thy sins are forgiven you is not the same as saying (HE) forgave their sins, But even if he did forgive sin He, after all he was the Payment for our sins, so he could say that. IMO

peace an love………………gene

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bodhitharta said:

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There is no payment required for sin other than repentence God said he did not even command Sacrifices and offerings

Repentance was required of Israel which was the old covenant church. For the new covenant church it is faith alone.

thinker

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Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 11 2009,05:22)

bodhitharta said: Quote There is no payment required for sin other than repentence God said he did not even command Sacrifices and offerings Repentance was required of Israel which was the old covenant church. For the new covenant church it is faith alone. thinker

You are correct. repentance shows/teaches faith and strong faith is repentant or repellent from evil in the first place.

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Quote (Gene @ Aug. 10 2009,17:11)

DB………..The escape GOAT was let go in the wilderness to (DIE) He was taken outside the camp and let go caring the sins of all the people on His head, and there He would Have died. Jesus was also taken outside the city and carried all the sins of the People on His Head and there He died also. Jesus was our scape Goat. We escape death because of His payment, “We have been purchased with a price”.   Your saying GOD does not hold accountability is also not true, What do you do with the Scripture that says “the soul that sineth (It) Shall die” God Said if I say unto the righteous you shall surely live and He trust in his righteousness and commit iniquity He shall (Not) surely live but He shall die for the sins He has committed. To say GOD does not hold us accountable for our sin is folly. GOD (JUSTICE) DEMANDS PAYMENT. If he did not demand Judgment He would have never gave the Laws to Israel,  “for every sin shall recieve it's JUST RECOMPENSE”.  Where does it say Jesus forgave Sins HIMSELF, Because He said thy sins are forgiven you is not the same as saying (HE) forgave their sins, But even if he did forgive sin He, after all he was the Payment for our sins, so he could say that.  IMO peace an love………………gene

Gene,

The scapegoat is presented ALIVE before the Lord. It is not killed or sacrificed. Yet, it carries away the sins of the people.

Jesus was baptized for the sins of the people and God raised Jesus up to himself Alive. Jesus was not killed or Crucified it only appeared to them that it occured.

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2009,13:31) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 08 2009,03:34) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,10:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 06 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2009,19:53) Hi TT, He also said the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus. Paul was given the practical exposition of how the Spirit would lead us to follow Jesus. You are mistaken Nick. Jesus did NOT say that the Spirit would remind them of things He said. He said that He had many more things to say to them and that He would send the Spirit to tell them these those things. He said that the Spirit would show them things “to come.” Your statement that the Spirit would “remind” of past things Jesus said is a total fabrication without any basis at all. thinker Hi thethinker: What about the following scripture? Quote Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Nick was saying that John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would remind them of things Jesus said. But John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would teach them things Jesus had not spoken to them. thinker Hi thethinker: “Bring to remembrance” would be to remind, don't you think? Jesus had already taught them. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You have not followed this discussion with comprehension. Nick denied that Jesus would say more things to them when the Spirit came. Nick was saying that the Spirit would only remind them of what Jesus had already told them. But John 16 does not say that the Spirit would remind them. It says hat the Spirit would disclose new information to them. thinker

Hi thethinker:

He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2009,09:28)

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,00:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2009,13:31) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 08 2009,03:34) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,10:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 06 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2009,19:53) Hi TT, He also said the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus. Paul was given the practical exposition of how the Spirit would lead us to follow Jesus. You are mistaken Nick. Jesus did NOT say that the Spirit would remind them of things He said. He said that He had many more things to say to them and that He would send the Spirit to tell them these those things. He said that the Spirit would show them things “to come.” Your statement that the Spirit would “remind” of past things Jesus said is a total fabrication without any basis at all. thinker Hi thethinker: What about the following scripture? Quote Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Nick was saying that John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would remind them of things Jesus said. But John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would teach them things Jesus had not spoken to them. thinker Hi thethinker: “Bring to remembrance” would be to remind, don't you think? Jesus had already taught them. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You have not followed this discussion with comprehension. Nick denied that Jesus would say more things to them when the Spirit came. Nick was saying that the Spirit would only remind them of what Jesus had already told them. But John 16 does not say that the Spirit would remind them. It says hat the Spirit would disclose new information to them. thinker Hi thethinker: He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”. Love in Christ, Marty

The book of revelation spoke about The Quran coming.

Revelation 10
1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

The Quran is a single little book and not part of a bibliography

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Marty said:

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Hi thethinker: He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,
Your explanation don't work. The Revelation was shown only to John. Jesus was rtlking about all that was to be shown them upon the arrival of the Holy spirit. The Spirit arrived on the day of Pentecost. This is when Christ through the Spirit began to speak those things to them that He promised. The chief thing was that salvation would be by FAITH ALONE!

thinker

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2009,09:28) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,00:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2009,13:31) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 08 2009,03:34) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,10:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 06 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2009,19:53) Hi TT, He also said the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus. Paul was given the practical exposition of how the Spirit would lead us to follow Jesus. You are mistaken Nick. Jesus did NOT say that the Spirit would remind them of things He said. He said that He had many more things to say to them and that He would send the Spirit to tell them these those things. He said that the Spirit would show them things “to come.” Your statement that the Spirit would “remind” of past things Jesus said is a total fabrication without any basis at all. thinker Hi thethinker: What about the following scripture? Quote Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Nick was saying that John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would remind them of things Jesus said. But John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would teach them things Jesus had not spoken to them. thinker Hi thethinker: “Bring to remembrance” would be to remind, don't you think? Jesus had already taught them. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You have not followed this discussion with comprehension. Nick denied that Jesus would say more things to them when the Spirit came. Nick was saying that the Spirit would only remind them of what Jesus had already told them. But John 16 does not say that the Spirit would remind them. It says hat the Spirit would disclose new information to them. thinker Hi thethinker: He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”. Love in Christ, Marty The book of revelation spoke about The Quran coming. Revelation 10 1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. The Quran is a single little book and not part of a bibliography

Hi BD:

The angel ate the book. You have to really stretch your imagination to believe that this is speaking of Quran.

Oh well, I have already given you the truth, and so, there is no need to continue repeating what I have shared with you. I will continue to pray for you hoping that God will show you the truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 11 2009,11:32)

Marty said: Quote Hi thethinker: He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Your explanation don't work. The Revelation was shown only to John. Jesus was rtlking about all that was to be shown them upon the arrival of the Holy spirit. The Spirit arrived on the day of Pentecost. This is when Christ through the Spirit began to speak those things to them that He promised. The chief thing was that salvation would be by FAITH ALONE! thinker

Hi thethinker:

Jesus had already taught them that salvation was by Faith (John 3:16) and he had already taught them that he had other sheep than those of the household of Israel (John 10:14-16).

He may have added clarity to what he had already taught them, but he had already taught them these things.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2009,11:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2009,10:01) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2009,09:28) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,00:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2009,13:31) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 08 2009,03:34) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,10:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 06 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2009,19:53) Hi TT, He also said the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus. Paul was given the practical exposition of how the Spirit would lead us to follow Jesus. You are mistaken Nick. Jesus did NOT say that the Spirit would remind them of things He said. He said that He had many more things to say to them and that He would send the Spirit to tell them these those things. He said that the Spirit would show them things “to come.” Your statement that the Spirit would “remind” of past things Jesus said is a total fabrication without any basis at all. thinker Hi thethinker: What about the following scripture? Quote Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Nick was saying that John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would remind them of things Jesus said. But John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would teach them things Jesus had not spoken to them. thinker Hi thethinker: “Bring to remembrance” would be to remind, don't you think? Jesus had already taught them. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You have not followed this discussion with comprehension. Nick denied that Jesus would say more things to them when the Spirit came. Nick was saying that the Spirit would only remind them of what Jesus had already told them. But John 16 does not say that the Spirit would remind them. It says hat the Spirit would disclose new information to them. thinker Hi thethinker: He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”. Love in Christ, Marty The book of revelation spoke about The Quran coming. Revelation 10 1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. The Quran is a single little book and not part of a bibliography Hi BD: The angel ate the book.  You have to really stretch your imagination to believe that this is speaking of Quran. Oh well, I have already given you the truth, and so, there is no need to continue repeating what I have shared with you.  I will continue to pray for you hoping that God will show you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty

The Angel did not eat the book, The Prophet did.

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2009,14:40)

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 11 2009,11:32) Marty said: Quote Hi thethinker: He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Your explanation don't work. The Revelation was shown only to John. Jesus was rtlking about all that was to be shown them upon the arrival of the Holy spirit. The Spirit arrived on the day of Pentecost. This is when Christ through the Spirit began to speak those things to them that He promised. The chief thing was that salvation would be by FAITH ALONE! thinker Hi thethinker: Jesus had already taught them that salvation was by Faith (John 3:16) and he had already taught them that he had other sheep than those of the household of Israel (John 10:14-16). He may have added clarity to what he had already taught them, but he had already taught them these things. Love in Christ, Marty

My mistake. The prophet ate the book.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2009,11:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 11 2009,10:01) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 11 2009,09:28) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,00:38) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 08 2009,13:31) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 08 2009,03:34) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,10:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 06 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 01 2009,19:53) Hi TT, He also said the Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus. Paul was given the practical exposition of how the Spirit would lead us to follow Jesus. You are mistaken Nick. Jesus did NOT say that the Spirit would remind them of things He said. He said that He had many more things to say to them and that He would send the Spirit to tell them these those things. He said that the Spirit would show them things “to come.” Your statement that the Spirit would “remind” of past things Jesus said is a total fabrication without any basis at all. thinker Hi thethinker: What about the following scripture? Quote Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.   Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Nick was saying that John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would remind them of things Jesus said. But John 16 says that the Holy Spirit would teach them things Jesus had not spoken to them. thinker Hi thethinker: “Bring to remembrance” would be to remind, don't you think? Jesus had already taught them. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You have not followed this discussion with comprehension. Nick denied that Jesus would say more things to them when the Spirit came. Nick was saying that the Spirit would only remind them of what Jesus had already told them. But John 16 does not say that the Spirit would remind them. It says hat the Spirit would disclose new information to them. thinker Hi thethinker: He did show them things to come after he ascended into heaven “The book of Revelation”. Love in Christ, Marty The book of revelation spoke about The Quran coming. Revelation 10 1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. The Quran is a single little book and not part of a bibliography Hi BD: The angel ate the book.  You have to really stretch your imagination to believe that this is speaking of Quran. Oh well, I have already given you the truth, and so, there is no need to continue repeating what I have shared with you.  I will continue to pray for you hoping that God will show you the truth. Love in Christ, Marty The Angel did not eat the book, The Prophet did.

Hi BD:

Sorry, two mistakes in a row. The prophet ate the book.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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