the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached

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  • #798440
    Ed J
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    Hi BD,

    “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached” (Luke 16:16)

    …since that time the kingdom of God is preached . <–what does that mean?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #798441
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    …since that time the kingdom of God is preached . <–what does that mean?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #798445
    bodhitharta
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    Hi BD,

    “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached” (Luke 16:16)

    …since that time the kingdom of God is preached . <–what does that mean?

    This is talking about the Gospel of the Kingdom of God in which repentance is the only thing needed for salvation, This is the same message of Islam as well
    Ironically Jesus was also a Prophet and I don’t know if he is considering Paul or John of revelation a Prophet but these statements are often unusual like when he says no greater man has been born of woman than John the Baptist, but Jesus was born of Woman, these are like expressions acknowledging John as important while Jesus is being humble.

    #798446
    NickHassan
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    Hi ED,

    Of course Jesus Christ is in the Kingdom of God.

    So in saying the least in the kingdom is greater than John he was saying he is, and all those joined to him.

    #798452
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    So “the Kingdom of God” is what exactly then?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #798458
    kerwin
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    Ed,

    There are two main version of Luke 16:16

    New American Standard Bible
    “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

    King James Bible
    The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    #798462
    bodhitharta
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    The Kingdom of God is by definition ISLAM which means to submit to God in peace. You therefore turn over your will to God, Thy will be done, when a person submits to God the Law is their hearts and is alive

    #798464
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    So the kingdom includes all who are one with the King.

    #798468
    kerwin
    Participant

    bodhitharta,

    Only those that live by the Spirit make peace with God.

    That is why Jesus said “blessed are the peacemakers…”

    #798469
    kerwin
    Participant

    bodhitharta,

    Islam does not teach how to live by the Spirit while the gospel does.

    #798477
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @Kerwin

    Do you recall Jesus was strengthened with the Holy Spirit? You submit to God, Seek the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you. Submission is first Kerwin

    #798479
    kerwin
    Participant

    bodhitharta,

    A person receives and lives by the Spirit through faith. Submitting to God is a fruit of the Spirit.

    #798480
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    The peacemakers make peace with God??

    No God does it all.

    #798486
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I am going by Matthew 5:9 and it does not specify that in that particular passage. In the way we use the word peacemaker it only fits Jesus Christ in the more in its most optimal form. God is one of the parties so is not considered the intercessor.

    To a lesser extent it fits those who spread the gospel to those at war with God.

    I am using it in a more personal sense of a person that is one of the parties and who seeks to makes peace with the other party in the conflict. I did not see that definition in the English language definitions I browsed. In that sense it is about seeking God.

    God is using a double meaning as is his want since both meanings are in tune with his Spirit.

    None of this makes the point that God does not do the work.

    #798490
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Scripture does not support your speculation that it is peace with God that is spoken of.

    God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself and we are to share in that reconciliation process by His work in us.

     

     

     

    #798494
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself …

    Yes, but Matthew 5:9 is not calling God the peacemaker though he is. It is not calling Jesus the peacemaker as he also is. It is instead calling those that receive the promise of being called the sons of God peacemakers. Who does Scripture say they are?

    #798499
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    In my opinion those mentioned in the beatitudes are some of those who will find mercy in the final judgement despite not being in Christ.

    Anyone who gives you a cup of water because you belong to me will not lose his reward.

    #798500
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Are you part of the Kingdom of God ?

    #798502
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Mark 9:41New King James Version (NKJV)

    41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

    You are not seeing the words “in my name”. In short he speaks of those who give his servants a drink in the name of Jesus Christ. Therefore they themselves are disciples.

    Matthew paraphrases his words as:

    Matthew 10:42New King James Version (NKJV)

    42 And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple, assuredly, I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward.”

    Jesus preaches the gospel in his sermon on the mount and his words are for those that are under the new covenant. He does not address those that are either unable to understand his words as the results of some kind of handicap or those who have never heard his words. Both are judged by other standards.

    Matthew 5:11-12 is a be-attitude that is clearly addressed to his disciples. The rest include anyone that fits the condition of the promise but anyone that fits it and both hears and is capable of understanding it will become Jesus’ student. Scripture only tells us of believers who receive the promise of being called the sons of God.

    #798505
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Thank you for your opinion.

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