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Quote (2besee @ May 03 2013,17:01) Mike, this section is prophecy. Prophecy has nothing to do with the pre-exisence of Christ, but more the resurrected Christ.
My bad. I was reading through some of the posts, and noticed some people were talking about who or what Jesus was before he was made flesh. So I put in my two cents.Hi Res.
Quote 2 Peter ch 3 is not a lesson in eschatology. It IS eschatology in it's simplest form. All else should be built around that and on Jesus' words in the Gospels. If it does not fit in, then something is wrong.
Study it.
Quote “in the which” 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?and also– “Nevertheless we”
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
I don't see what difference “in the which” and “nevertheless” makes?
Quote If this new heavens and earth is not this one which the meek are promised to inherit then which one is it? Just speculating here, but how do we not know that there is ANOTHER Heaven and earth somewhere far away. Jesus did say that He GOES to prepare a place. I was thinking about this a lot, it is something that we do not know.
Quote The word for new in Rev.21:1 is fresh, but just when that will occur is somewhat complicated … No it isn't. It happens when Jesus returns.
Quote it has to be by stages of, Christ returning, raising the dead saints, destroying the living wicked, placing satan in the pit (sealed over) ruling over the remaining mortals through the saints, restoring where ever the gospel is received, all until God has saved all that can be saved, which can be a very very long time. This can all happen in one day.
Christ returns.
The wicked are destroyed.
The dead and the surviving are raised, and meet Jesus in the air.How can this be? Read the story of the three men in the pit of fire, who were not burnt though the pit was heated seven times hotter (Daniel chapter 3)
The sun will be heated seven times hotter.
“Moreover, the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day when the LORD binds up the brokenness of his people, and heals the wounds inflicted by his blow.” Isaiah 30:26
“”For behold, the day comes, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall.
And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts.” Malachi 4:1-4Water was used in the flood, and as Peter says, heat and fire will be used this time.
The thousand years has been, and the spreading of the Gospel around the world has happened, which only leaves the above to be fulfilled.
Quote Abraham and all overcomers since are promised to be part of that occuring. Yes.
Quote Then follows the last resurrection in which the books are opened and it is here that many will enter the Kingdom of God also– Exactly. This is when all are judged on what they did or did not do.
Quote Just how God will be all in all can only mean that all are like Jesus is now, and God has not been idle forever, and in considering this creation, I suggest that man will forever be finding out about God and never getting to the end of Him and what He has done because He has not got any end. Interesting point.
Quote So the best days on this earth are yet to come. With my belief in the millennium being now please do not get me wrong. I know this life is hard, but there is the thing. WHERE in Revelations does it say that there will be peace, happiness, prosperity, etc, in the thousand year millennium? It does Not say that. All it says is that Satan will be bound (limited) WHY? So that the world which was once deceived will no longer BE deceived. Well, that has happened, Res. The world never knew God. Now, the Father and Jesus are known all throughout the world. true? Soon, or I would guess, NOW, Satan will be let lose to … WHAT?… To decieve the world one last time.
Hi 2B,
I'm following a lot of what you say, but does this world today really seem like a world without Satan? I can see his active signature all over the place. It doesn't seem to me as if he has already been bound.
Res,
The rest and the peace is within us, if we know the Father and the Son. This is what gets us through. We have guidance and we have hope and also the Spirit HEALS us. Have you experienced this? I have. God's love heals us, it heals our hearts.
“Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.”
So even if we were to die for our love of God, then we will. Faith in God is what gets us through.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2013,22:17) Hi 2B, I'm following a lot of what you say, but does this world today really seem like a world without Satan? I can see his active signature all over the place. It doesn't seem to me as if he has already been bound.
Hi Mike.
Good seed was sown and bad seed was also sown.
Both had to grow together until the harvest.
Satan has been let lose, and He knows His time is short.
Now is the time of deception. Do not be deceived.
We are in a spiritual battle.
Mike,
Listen to this. It is slow, but bear with it.
The reason that I believe in Amillennialism, which is the majority view is because when I was going to an Adventist church, they believed that there would be a FALSE coming of Jesus so I prayed not knowing how we would KNOW the true Jesus from the false. I asked “How will we KNOW?”, and soon after that, the same day, I had a vision. That is why I believe what I believe. Amillennialism is the only thing that fits. And, it fits in with scripture also.Quote (2besee @ May 04 2013,20:05) Hi Res. Quote 2 Peter ch 3 is not a lesson in eschatology. It IS eschatology in it's simplest form. All else should be built around that and on Jesus' words in the Gospels. If it does not fit in, then something is wrong.
Study it.
Quote “in the which” 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?and also– “Nevertheless we”
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
I don't see what difference “in the which” and “nevertheless” makes?
Quote If this new heavens and earth is not this one which the meek are promised to inherit then which one is it? Just speculating here, but how do we not know that there is ANOTHER Heaven and earth somewhere far away. Jesus did say that He GOES to prepare a place. I was thinking about this a lot, it is something that we do not know.
Quote The word for new in Rev.21:1 is fresh, but just when that will occur is somewhat complicated … No it isn't. It happens when Jesus returns.
Quote it has to be by stages of, Christ returning, raising the dead saints, destroying the living wicked, placing satan in the pit (sealed over) ruling over the remaining mortals through the saints, restoring where ever the gospel is received, all until God has saved all that can be saved, which can be a very very long time. This can all happen in one day.
Christ returns.
The wicked are destroyed.
The dead and the surviving are raised, and meet Jesus in the air.How can this be? Read the story of the three men in the pit of fire, who were not burnt though the pit was heated seven times hotter (Daniel chapter 3)
The sun will be heated seven times hotter.
“Moreover, the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day when the LORD binds up the brokenness of his people, and heals the wounds inflicted by his blow.” Isaiah 30:26
“”For behold, the day comes, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall.
And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts.” Malachi 4:1-4Water was used in the flood, and as Peter says, heat and fire will be used this time.
The thousand years has been, and the spreading of the Gospel around the world has happened, which only leaves the above to be fulfilled.
Quote Abraham and all overcomers since are promised to be part of that occuring. Yes.
Quote Then follows the last resurrection in which the books are opened and it is here that many will enter the Kingdom of God also– Exactly. This is when all are judged on what they did or did not do.
Quote Just how God will be all in all can only mean that all are like Jesus is now, and God has not been idle forever, and in considering this creation, I suggest that man will forever be finding out about God and never getting to the end of Him and what He has done because He has not got any end. Interesting point.
Quote So the best days on this earth are yet to come. With my belief in the millennium being now please do not get me wrong. I know this life is hard, but there is the thing. WHERE in Revelations does it say that there will be peace, happiness, prosperity, etc, in the thousand year millennium? It does Not say that. All it says is that Satan will be bound (limited) WHY? So that the world which was once deceived will no longer BE deceived. Well, that has happened, Res. The world never knew God. Now, the Father and Jesus are known all throughout the world. true? Soon, or I would guess, NOW, Satan will be let lose to … WHAT?… To decieve the world one last time.
I think satan is active in deceiving people now.Res.
Quote (2besee @ May 04 2013,01:05) Hi Res. Quote 2 Peter ch 3 is not a lesson in eschatology. It IS eschatology in it's simplest form. All else should be built around that and on Jesus' words in the Gospels. If it does not fit in, then something is wrong.
Study it.
Quote “in the which” 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?and also– “Nevertheless we”
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
I don't see what difference “in the which” and “nevertheless” makes?
Quote If this new heavens and earth is not this one which the meek are promised to inherit then which one is it? Just speculating here, but how do we not know that there is ANOTHER Heaven and earth somewhere far away. Jesus did say that He GOES to prepare a place. I was thinking about this a lot, it is something that we do not know.
Quote The word for new in Rev.21:1 is fresh, but just when that will occur is somewhat complicated … No it isn't. It happens when Jesus returns.
Quote it has to be by stages of, Christ returning, raising the dead saints, destroying the living wicked, placing satan in the pit (sealed over) ruling over the remaining mortals through the saints, restoring where ever the gospel is received, all until God has saved all that can be saved, which can be a very very long time. This can all happen in one day.
Christ returns.
The wicked are destroyed.
The dead and the surviving are raised, and meet Jesus in the air.How can this be? Read the story of the three men in the pit of fire, who were not burnt though the pit was heated seven times hotter (Daniel chapter 3)
The sun will be heated seven times hotter.
“Moreover, the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day when the LORD binds up the brokenness of his people, and heals the wounds inflicted by his blow.” Isaiah 30:26
“”For behold, the day comes, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble; the day that comes shall burn them up, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings. You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall.
And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the LORD of hosts.” Malachi 4:1-4Water was used in the flood, and as Peter says, heat and fire will be used this time.
The thousand years has been, and the spreading of the Gospel around the world has happened, which only leaves the above to be fulfilled.
Quote Abraham and all overcomers since are promised to be part of that occuring. Yes.
Quote Then follows the last resurrection in which the books are opened and it is here that many will enter the Kingdom of God also– Exactly. This is when all are judged on what they did or did not do.
Quote Just how God will be all in all can only mean that all are like Jesus is now, and God has not been idle forever, and in considering this creation, I suggest that man will forever be finding out about God and never getting to the end of Him and what He has done because He has not got any end. Interesting point.
Quote So the best days on this earth are yet to come. With my belief in the millennium being now please do not get me wrong. I know this life is hard, but there is the thing. WHERE in Revelations does it say that there will be peace, happiness, prosperity, etc, in the thousand year millennium? It does Not say that. All it says is that Satan will be bound (limited) WHY? So that the world which was once deceived will no longer BE deceived. Well, that has happened, Res. The world never knew God. Now, the Father and Jesus are known all throughout the world. true? Soon, or I would guess, NOW, Satan will be let lose to … WHAT?… To decieve the world one last time.
Hi 2b,Quote
Abraham and all overcomers since are promised to be part of that occurring.Jn.8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never TASTE of death. 53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my DAY: and HE SAW it, and was GLAD.
Rom.8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, HAVING the FIRST FRUITS OF the Spirit, even we ourselves groan with
in ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.:27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He INTERCEDES For the SAINTS according to the will of God.
Peace brother.
Just to add a bit.
Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many *shall* come from the east and west, and *shall* sit down with *Abraham*, and *Isaac*, and *Jacob*, in *the kingdom of heaven*.
Luke 13:28 There shall be **weeping** and **gnashing** of teeth, when **ye shall see Abraham**, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, **in the kingdom of God**, and *you* *yourselves* *thrust out*.
If the kingdom was in heaven;it obviously can not be seen by the wicked.So it has to be on earth.Thy will be done on earth, as heaven.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ May 04 2013,23:46) I think satan is active in deceiving people now. Something changed in 2011, and I felt that that was when Satan was let lose to deceive the nations. But I may be wrong.
At the time I saw spirits, something to do with the three deceiving spirits like frogs. It had to do with 1) The Churches. 2) Music, and 3) I do not know the third.Everything in Revelations is always confusing to me.
Quote (abe @ May 05 2013,07:28) Hi 2b, Quote
Abraham and all overcomers since are promised to be part of that occurring.Jn.8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never TASTE of death. 53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my DAY: and HE SAW it, and was GLAD.
Rom.8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, HAVING the FIRST FRUITS OF the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
:27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He INTERCEDES For the SAINTS according to the will of God.
Peace brother.
Good verses Abe.
Quote (2besee @ May 05 2013,10:56) Quote (Resting @ May 04 2013,23:46) I think satan is active in deceiving people now. Something changed in 2011, and I felt that that was when Satan was let lose to deceive the nations. But I may be wrong.
At the time I saw spirits, something to do with the three deceiving spirits like frogs. It had to do with 1) The Churches. 2) Music, and 3) I do not know the third.Everything in Revelations is always confusing to me.
2Besee.Revelation 16:13 And I saw ***three unclean spirits like frogs*** come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to ***gather them to the battle*** of that great day of God Almighty.
The churches gathering the armies??
wakeup.
Wakeup,
1) Churches – false prophet(s)/spirit(s).
2) Music, television, gaming, ect – subliminal type messaging – Ephesians 2:2 and 2Cor 11:14
3) I don't know.Rev 20
[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison
[8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.Rev 16
[14] For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
[15] (“Lo, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is he who is awake, keeping his garments that he may not go naked and be seen exposed!”)
[16] And they assembled them at the place which is called in Hebrew Armaged'don.Rev 11
[18] The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”Rev 19
[17] Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, “Come, gather for the great supper of God.
Matt 24
[27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
[28] Wherever the carcass is, there the vultures will be gathered together.Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,23:53) Wakeup, 1) Churches – false prophet(s)/spirit(s).
2) Music, television, gaming, ect – subliminal type messaging – Ephesians 2:2 and 2Cor 11:14
3) I don't know.Rev 20
[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison
[8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.Rev 16
[14] For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
[15] (“Lo, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is he who is awake, keeping his garments that he may not go naked and be seen exposed!”)
[16] And they assembled them at the place which is called in Hebrew Armaged'don.Rev 11
[18] The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”Rev 19
[17] Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, “Come, gather for the great supper of God.
Matt 24
[27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
[28] Wherever the carcass is, there the vultures will be gathered together.
2Besee.1.Why is Gogand magog destroyed by fire from heaven from God??
2.What about Jesus coming with the sword in his mouth?
3. Well who is going to do the warring here? God/or Jesus?You; and most others have got themselves tangled up in a knot here also.
Gog and magog is not the second coming.
wakeup.
Wakeup, I believe that Gog and Magog is the second coming.
I don't have time to answer each question right now.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2013,00:37) Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,23:53) Wakeup, 1) Churches – false prophet(s)/spirit(s).
2) Music, television, gaming, ect – subliminal type messaging – Ephesians 2:2 and 2Cor 11:14
3) I don't know.Rev 20
[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison
[8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.Rev 16
[14] For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
[15] (“Lo, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is he who is awake, keeping his garments that he may not go naked and be seen exposed!”)
[16] And they assembled them at the place which is called in Hebrew Armaged'don.Rev 11
[18] The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”Rev 19
[17] Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, “Come, gather for the great supper of God.
Matt 24
[27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
[28] Wherever the carcass is, there the vultures will be gathered together.
2Besee.1.Why is Gogand magog destroyed by fire from heaven from God??
2.What about Jesus coming with the sword in his mouth?
3. Well who is going to do the warring here? God/or Jesus?You; and most others have got themselves tangled up in a knot here also.
Gog and magog is not the second coming.
wakeup.
Wakeup,The gog and magog of EZ 38-39 is the second coming but the gog and magog of Rev.20 is after the mill.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ May 07 2013,09:55) Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2013,00:37) Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,23:53) Wakeup, 1) Churches – false prophet(s)/spirit(s).
2) Music, television, gaming, ect – subliminal type messaging – Ephesians 2:2 and 2Cor 11:14
3) I don't know.Rev 20
[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison
[8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.Rev 16
[14] For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
[15] (“Lo, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is he who is awake, keeping his garments that he may not go naked and be seen exposed!”)
[16] And they assembled them at the place which is called in Hebrew Armaged'don.Rev 11
[18] The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”Rev 19
[17] Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, “Come, gather for the great supper of God.
Matt 24
[27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
[28] Wherever the carcass is, there the vultures will be gathered together.
2Besee.1.Why is Gogand magog destroyed by fire from heaven from God??
2.What about Jesus coming with the sword in his mouth?
3. Well who is going to do the warring here? God/or Jesus?You; and most others have got themselves tangled up in a knot here also.
Gog and magog is not the second coming.
wakeup.
Wakeup,The gog and magog of EZ 38-39 is the second coming but the gog and magog of Rev.20 is after the mill.
Res.
Resting.THIS WONT HAPPEN AT THE SECOND COMING,BUT IN THE LATTER YEARS.
THE 2ND GATHERING OF THE JEWS,IS WHEN THEY WILL DWELL SAFELY;NOT TODAY.Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: **in the latter years** thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, **and they shall dwell safely all of them**.
**THEY DONT DWELL SAFELY TODAY**.Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
GOG IS NOT THE FALSE PROPHET.Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of *unwalled villages*; I will go to them that *are at rest*, that *dwell safely*, all of them dwelling *without walls*, and having neither *bars nor gates*,
*THIS IS NOT THE SITUATION TODAY** *THEY ARE NOT AT REST*, BUT AT WAR,AND HAVE WALLS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.THIS WOULD BE THE ISRAEL IN THE KINGDOM,WHEN THEY
WILL BE AT REST,AND DWELL SAFELY WITHOUT WALLS.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2013,13:26) Quote (Resting @ May 07 2013,09:55) Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2013,00:37) Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,23:53) Wakeup, 1) Churches – false prophet(s)/spirit(s).
2) Music, television, gaming, ect – subliminal type messaging – Ephesians 2:2 and 2Cor 11:14
3) I don't know.Rev 20
[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison
[8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.Rev 16
[14] For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
[15] (“Lo, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is he who is awake, keeping his garments that he may not go naked and be seen exposed!”)
[16] And they assembled them at the place which is called in Hebrew Armaged'don.Rev 11
[18] The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”Rev 19
[17] Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, “Come, gather for the great supper of God.
Matt 24
[27] For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
[28] Wherever the carcass is, there the vultures will be gathered together.
2Besee.1.Why is Gogand magog destroyed by fire from heaven from God??
2.What about Jesus coming with the sword in his mouth?
3. Well who is going to do the warring here? God/or Jesus?You; and most others have got themselves tangled up in a knot here also.
Gog and magog is not the second coming.
wakeup.
Wakeup,The gog and magog of EZ 38-39 is the second coming but the gog and magog of Rev.20 is after the mill.
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Resting.THIS WONT HAPPEN AT THE SECOND COMING,BUT IN THE LATTER YEARS.
THE 2ND GATHERING OF THE JEWS,IS WHEN THEY WILL DWELL SAFELY;NOT TODAY.Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: **in the latter years** thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, **and they shall dwell safely all of them**.
**THEY DONT DWELL SAFELY TODAY**.Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
GOG IS NOT THE FALSE PROPHET.Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of *unwalled villages*; I will go to them that *are at rest*, that *dwell safely*, all of them dwelling *without walls*, and having neither *bars nor gates*,
*THIS IS NOT THE SITUATION TODAY** *THEY ARE NOT AT REST*, BUT AT WAR,AND HAVE WALLS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.THIS WOULD BE THE ISRAEL IN THE KINGDOM,WHEN THEY
WILL BE AT REST,AND DWELL SAFELY WITHOUT WALLS.wakeup.
I never said it is now.Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2013,02:37)
2Besee.1.Why is Gogand magog destroyed by fire from heaven from God??
2.What about Jesus coming with the sword in his mouth?
3. Well who is going to do the warring here? God/or Jesus?You; and most others have got themselves tangled up in a knot here also.
Gog and magog is not the second coming.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
You are all confused. You believe that Gog an Magog and Armageddon are two different events. They are NOT different events, it is the same event retold differently.
Jesus' coming – tell me. How many comings are there? Because you take Revelations as you do, there are many comings.
There will only be one more coming. This is the Day of the Lord.
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