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Kathi! In Genesis God breathed into Adam the breath of life and He became a living Soul. We are a Soul and the Soul that sinned shall die. Our mind however will be reserved and at resurrection will go back into our new bodies. Either a Spirit Body or a flesh body. Those that are His Saints will have a Spirit Body and the meek will have a flesh Body which will inherit the earth….I have not seen a Scripture that says that the Soul goes to Heaven.
IreneNick
is Christ not the premise of all things?? are the righteous not to be resurrected at the last day ?
is it not the resurrection that was preached by the apostles ??does not the souls of the righteous are in waiting for God to bring his justice to the earth ? why is there a first resurrection??the live of a righteous is lived in hope and faith that God exist and can redeem man from dead ,is it not ??Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,12:04) Hi JA,
you asked:Quote (Of topic: What is the Soul of a being, different from Spirit and Body? I think that is where I got confused thinking Soul=body. Any takers for a quick answer?) Our soul is what is left when you take away the body and the spirit. The soul and spirit return to God after we die, the body does not. We receive a heavenly body after our flesh body dies and that new body will contain our spirit and soul.
LU……..The soul is not left when one dies it is destroyed in the Grave and we no longer exist. Our Spirit is returned back to GOD and our flesh corrupts and turns back to earth, we no longer exist in any conscious state. Jesus said GOD could destory (BOTH) (two things) in the grave. Both Body and Spirit is taken away from us and we no longer exist in any form. A Soul is A Body with Spirit in it. A Soul is no some Mysterious thing that goes off drifting to heaven or remains alive in the grave we are gone for ever and Unless GOD the FATHER reconstructs a BODY and Adds SPIRIT Back into it we would never again exist. “The dead know nothing, in the day they die their thoughts parish”.That is why Jesus said GOD could destory (BOTH) Body and Spirit (soul) is a mistranslation there, it should be Spirit , in the grave. Man is a SOUL when He has a body with Spirit in it. Even animals are the same as we are , they have a body with spirit in it also, As they die so do we, the only difference is GOD retains our DNA and reconstructs our Bodies and adds Spirit back into it and we again become a LIVING SOUL. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………[gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 16 2010,02:36) Quote (Lightenup @ April 15 2010,12:04) Hi JA,
you asked:Quote (Of topic: What is the Soul of a being, different from Spirit and Body? I think that is where I got confused thinking Soul=body. Any takers for a quick answer?) Our soul is what is left when you take away the body and the spirit. The soul and spirit return to God after we die, the body does not. We receive a heavenly body after our flesh body dies and that new body will contain our spirit and soul.
LU……..The soul is not left when one dies it is destroyed in the Grave and we no longer exist. Our Spirit is returned back to GOD and our flesh corrupts and turns back to earth, we no longer exist in any conscious state. Jesus said GOD could destory (BOTH) (two things) in the grave. Both Body and Spirit is taken away from us and we no longer exist in any form. A Soul is A Body with Spirit in it. A Soul is no some Mysterious thing that goes off drifting to heaven or remains alive in the grave we are gone for ever and Unless GOD the FATHER reconstructs a BODY and Adds SPIRIT Back into it we would never again exist. “The dead know nothing, in the day they die their thoughts parish”.That is why Jesus said GOD could destory (BOTH) Body and Spirit (soul) is a mistranslation there, it should be Spirit , in the grave. Man is a SOUL when He has a body with Spirit in it. Even animals are the same as we are , they have a body with spirit in it also, As they die so do we, the only difference is GOD retains our DNA and reconstructs our Bodies and adds Spirit back into it and we again become a LIVING SOUL. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………[gene
genehow do you know thats the DNA that is retain by God
Terraria……..How could our bodies be reconstructed . Jesus also told His disciples every hair on their heads was numbered. So I believe our DNA is stored, but that is just my opinion, but i think it has merit.
peace and love……………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,00:30) Hi LU,
Yes the natural home of the soul after death is sheol.
But being redeemed from there does not state that it goes to God.The meek shall inherit the earth.
Nick,
Regarding the meek inheriting the earth:Quote Matthew 5:3-12 III. The meek are happy (v. 5); Blessed are the meek. The meek are those who quietly submit themselves to God, to his word and to his rod, who follow his directions, and comply with his designs, and are gentle towards all men (Titus 3:2); who can bear provocation without being inflamed by it; are either silent, or return a soft answer; and who can show their displeasure when there is occasion for it, without being transported into any indecencies; who can be cool when others are hot; and in their patience keep possession of their own souls, when they can scarcely keep possession of any thing else. They are the meek, who are rarely and hardly provoked, but quickly and easily pacified; and who would rather forgive twenty injuries than revenge one, having the rule of their own spirits.
These meek ones are here represented as happy, even in this world. 1. They are blessed, for they are like the blessed Jesus, in that wherein particularly they are to learn of him, ch. 11:29. They are like the blessed God himself, who is Lord of his anger, and in whom fury is not. They are blessed, for they have the most comfortable, undisturbed enjoyment of themselves, their friends, their God; they are fit for any relation, and condition, any company; fit to live, and fit to die. 2. They shall inherit the earth; it is quoted from Ps 37:11, and it is almost the only express temporal promise in all the New Testament. Not that they shall always have much of the earth, much less that they shall be put off with that only; but this branch of godliness has, in a special manner, the promise of life that now is. Meekness, however ridiculed and run down, has a real tendency to promote our health, wealth, comfort, and safety, even in this world. The meek and quiet are observed to live the most easy lives, compared with the froward and turbulent. Or, They shall inherit the land (so it may be read), the land of Canaan, a type of heaven. So that all the blessedness of heaven above, and all the blessings of earth beneath, are the portion of the meek.
(from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible, PC Study Bible Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All Rights reserved.)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,21:55) Hi Irene,
Sounds like JW stuff to me.
No two options are offered.
One in Christ and in God.
Nick So what do you believe what happens to our Mind? That is what we are, is it not? The mind is what stores our memories. And do we remember what we were as Humans? I believe we are……And the JW has nothing to do with it….God does not want robots, is that what you think? To be one in God and Jesus Christ does not make us any different then what we are today, physically speaking. I don't consider myself to be a Saint and come up in the first Resurrection. When God comes back with the New Jerusalem it will have the Tree of Life in it, for the flesh Body's that will live forever….I do think that I will be here on earth, the New earth where the Tree of Life is in…. But it is totally up to God what He wants me to be…..no more pain, no more suffering etc. that is what I am really looking forward to…..and if I am one of the lucky ones to sing in a Heavenly Choir to sing praises to God….wonderful for me…..I love to sing. God gave me a good voice and I use it every day to sing praises to God with…..Now anything else you want to know.
Irene
Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2010,04:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,00:30) Hi LU,
Yes the natural home of the soul after death is sheol.
But being redeemed from there does not state that it goes to God.The meek shall inherit the earth.
Nick,
Regarding the meek inheriting the earth:Quote Matthew 5:3-12 III. The meek are happy (v. 5); Blessed are the meek. The meek are those who quietly submit themselves to God, to his word and to his rod, who follow his directions, and comply with his designs, and are gentle towards all men (Titus 3:2); who can bear provocation without being inflamed by it; are either silent, or return a soft answer; and who can show their displeasure when there is occasion for it, without being transported into any indecencies; who can be cool when others are hot; and in their patience keep possession of their own souls, when they can scarcely keep possession of any thing else. They are the meek, who are rarely and hardly provoked, but quickly and easily pacified; and who would rather forgive twenty injuries than revenge one, having the rule of their own spirits.
These meek ones are here represented as happy, even in this world. 1. They are blessed, for they are like the blessed Jesus, in that wherein particularly they are to learn of him, ch. 11:29. They are like the blessed God himself, who is Lord of his anger, and in whom fury is not. They are blessed, for they have the most comfortable, undisturbed enjoyment of themselves, their friends, their God; they are fit for any relation, and condition, any company; fit to live, and fit to die. 2. They shall inherit the earth; it is quoted from Ps 37:11, and it is almost the only express temporal promise in all the New Testament. Not that they shall always have much of the earth, much less that they shall be put off with that only; but this branch of godliness has, in a special manner, the promise of life that now is. Meekness, however ridiculed and run down, has a real tendency to promote our health, wealth, comfort, and safety, even in this world. The meek and quiet are observed to live the most easy lives, compared with the froward and turbulent. Or, They shall inherit the land (so it may be read), the land of Canaan, a type of heaven. So that all the blessedness of heaven above, and all the blessings of earth beneath, are the portion of the meek.
(from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible, PC Study Bible Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All Rights reserved.)
Hi LU,
So your expert thinks joyful promises of this short life explains the verse?
He thinks it is a type of heaven though inheriting heaven is not written?
It rather seems the world crushes the meek.[Lk16]God will dwell on the renewed earth with men in the new Jerusalem[rev21]
Hi:
At death the spirit goes to God. The spirit are the works that the person did in the body during their life. The soul is asleep until the resurrection, and in the resurrection God will raise the dead in Christ in a spiritual body. Those who died in sin from the time of Christ's ministry until his coming for the church will be raised again from the dead after the 1000 year reign, but it isn't clear in what body except that it is body of Anti-Christ. God is gathering all in to be judged in one of two bodies, the body of Christ, and the body of Anti-Christ.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2010,06:37) Hi 94,
THE SPIRIT ARE THE WORKS??
Another fanciful personal definition?
Hi Nick:I have given my understanding based on the following scriptures.
Maybe the following scriptures will help you to understand, and if you have a different understanding, then please give me your understanding based also on scripture.
Quote John 6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Quote Rev 22:12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Quote Rev. 20:11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Quote Acts 2:25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Quote 1 Thessalonians 4:13 (King James Version) 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Quote # Luke 23:46
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.Quote Ecc 12:5Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: 6Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it
Quote Exodus 32:31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book
Quote John 11:11These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Love in Christ,
Martyhi 94,
Do you have any scriptures that say what you have offered?
Those you gave give your theory no supporthi 94,
Death is not judgement.
That comes after the millenium when all the nations are raised to face King Jesus and his brothers.Hi 94,
At the great white throne judgement the books will be opened.
It is best to find you name written in the book of life.Other books detail the recorded actions of men during their lifetime [the role of the watching angels-Daniel] and there will be no rewards except for those who are shown to have done merciful actions towards those in the body of Christ
Quote (942767 @ April 16 2010,06:01) Hi: At death the spirit goes to God. The spirit are the works that the person did in the body during their life. The soul is asleep until the resurrection, and in the resurrection God will raise the dead in Christ in a spiritual body. Those who died in sin from the time of Christ's ministry until his coming for the church will be raised again from the dead after the 1000 year reign, but it isn't clear in what body except that it is body of Anti-Christ. God is gathering all in to be judged in one of two bodies, the body of Christ, and the body of Anti-Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi 94,
All men, including those who died before the time of Christ, will be raised in the second resurrection.God wants all to be saved.
Jesus did not divide time and condemn all who came before him. God will take a remnant people for Himself from every epoch.
Hi 94,
When the judgement occurs earth and heaven will have vanished away.[Rev20.11]
So why would they need bodies?It is best to be found clothed from above and not naked[Ps49, Gal 3.27, 2Cor5.4].
Hi 94,
A body without a spirit is dead.[Jas2]
The spirit given by God's breath gives temporary life.
No scripture says the works of men bear any relationship to this spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2010,09:22) Hi 94,
A body without a spirit is dead.[Jas2]
The spirit given by God's breath gives temporary life.
No scripture says the works of men bear any relationship to this spirit.
Hi Nick:What about this one?
Quote John6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. As you say, the body without the spirit is dead, and Jesus said when he was being tempted by the devil: “It is written, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God”.
What does the following scripture mean?
“The last Adam was made a life-giving spirit”.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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