The Manuscripts

Participant

I agree with you regarding the extra teachings of the JW's, however my point was that they fit the critieria you were giving. I guess it's not that easy, is it?

What does God not tolerate? Because some here beleive that if you do not see things their way you are not a part of the family of God?
Thanks,
Mandy

August 17, 2008 at 11:32 pm#101918

Participant

Hi not3,
The whore
The nicolaitians
False Christs
False prophecy
False teaching

etc

August 17, 2008 at 11:38 pm#101922

Participant

Again, these terms are all too vague. Their definitions vary from person-to-person and from belief system-to-belief system.

Everyone thinks they know, for instance, what a false prophecy is! But do they really? One's false prophecy is another man's revelation. Surely you see my point?

Mandy

August 17, 2008 at 11:49 pm#101929

Participant

Hi not3,
If you find yourself lost in the dark then the Spirit is promised to light your way

August 18, 2008 at 12:08 am#101932

Participant

Hi Nick,

Yes, this is true. However this reassurance does nothing in the way of giving anyone a determining factor on who has the Spirit and who does not. I don't believe we can know at this present time. It's always so frustrating when other's try and point finger's at other's.
Love,
Mandy

August 18, 2008 at 12:35 am#101936

Participant

Hi not3,
So the day will come when we will be able to do this?

August 18, 2008 at 5:47 am#101962

Participant

What I meant to say was that it will become evident who has the Spirit because we will be counted, right? The sheep on his right and the goats on his left. I think it is only then that we will know who is true and who is false.

August 18, 2008 at 6:05 am#101963

Participant

Hi not3,
Do you only hope to be raised to judgement in the second resurrection?

August 18, 2008 at 6:15 am#101968

Participant

Well, I'm certainly not smart enough to be raised for the 1000 years of bliss with the Lord. You see my contributions here….I'm no teacher or Greek master. :;):

**what a pathetic post for my #5000 – see my point?* :laugh:

August 18, 2008 at 10:06 am#101983

Participant

Hi Nick,
My point was this. Every person here that has a different belief of what
scripture says, believes that they are lead by the Spirit to that understanding.
If two people believe that they have the spirit teaching them, and their
understanding is completely opposite to each other,
how do we know which one has the Spirit and which one thinks he has the Spirit?

It is not completely true that you will know them by their fruits.
I know some atheists that are much better people than some Christians that I know.
The fruits of their compassion and giving shine in everything that they do.

Tim

August 18, 2008 at 10:34 am#101984

Participant

Hi Tim4,
God knows thaose who are His.

The spirit does not speak on His own initiative but takes us back to the teachings of Jesus.

Scripture cannot be broken.

August 18, 2008 at 9:24 pm#102051

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,22:34)

Hi Tim4,
God knows thaose who are His.

The spirit does not speak on His own initiative but takes us back to the teachings of Jesus.

Scripture cannot be broken.

Hi Nick,
So you are saying that we will never know if it is GOd's Spirit that is leading us.
Only God knows.
That explains why so many people here understand the bible differently, and think that the Spirit is leading them.

Tim

August 18, 2008 at 9:31 pm#102056

Participant

Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 19 2008,09:24)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,22:34)

Hi Tim4,
God knows thaose who are His.

The spirit does not speak on His own initiative but takes us back to the teachings of Jesus.

Scripture cannot be broken.

Tim

Hey Tim,

I agree with you. That is why today I am trying to find what things we have IN COMMON with one another instead of always focusing on what is opposite. Although there seems to be resistence to this idea of unity. Go figure.

Love,
Mandy

August 18, 2008 at 9:32 pm#102057

Participant

Hi Tim4,
No you must know for yourself.
What use is a guarantee, a downpayment, that is only hypothetical?

Eph1
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

If you are led by the Spirit you will walk as our master did.
You will love and treasure the teachings of God.
You will be reminded of these teachings.
You will taste of the powers to come

August 19, 2008 at 10:32 am#102155

Participant

Hi Nick,

I am certain that worshippingJesus “knows for himself” that he is lead by the spirit of God,
and he believes in the trinity.
I am just as certain that you “know for yourself” that you are lead by the Spirit of God, and you do not believe in the trinity.

So unless you are both correct, there is a trinity and there is also not a trinity, what use is knowing for yourself that you are lead by the Spirit?

Tim

August 19, 2008 at 10:43 am#102156

Participant

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 19 2008,09:31)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 19 2008,09:24)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,22:34)

Hi Tim4,
God knows thaose who are His.

The spirit does not speak on His own initiative but takes us back to the teachings of Jesus.

Scripture cannot be broken.

Tim

Hey Tim,

Love,
Mandy

Hi Mandy,

There can never be complete unity when the bible was written in an ambiguous fashion that it is not clear without the guidance of the Spirit. When people truly study the bible and finally think they have figured out the meaning, they are certain that the spirit has shown them the meaning.
In truth, it may only have been their own understanding.

The problem is that each person that believes that they are being lead by the Spirit, thinks that they have the whole truth.
Everyone else is wrong.

Tim

August 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm#102163