The Manuscripts

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
If the apostles only wrote one original copy of the manuscripts then all variations from those originals are incorrect.
So looking at Jn 3 in the kjv
“13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. “
compare niv
“13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[a]”

Footnotes:

John 3:13 Some manuscripts Man, who is in heaven .

SOME manuscripts suggests few. So why were they chosen? Because they were with the textus receptus?

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 13 2006,18:07)

Hi kenrch, If the apostles only wrote one original copy of the manuscripts then all variations from those originals are incorrect. So looking at Jn 3 in the kjv “13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. “ compare niv “13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[a]” Footnotes: John 3:13 Some manuscripts Man, who is in heaven . SOME manuscripts suggests few. So why were they chosen? Because they were with the textus receptus?

Why do you think God would allow translators to mess up His letter of instructions to His children? During these last days Satan knows he has but a short time do you think he would mess with God's letter?

SOME manuscripts suggests few. So why were they chosen? Because they were with the textus receptus?

Maybe they were moved by the Holy Spirit to translate the scriptures that way? I just have a problem with men changing the word of God and as I said they may make the reading easier but they seem to water the scripture down while doing so. They take the “soul” out of the scripture.

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
Did the apostles only write one version of each of the letters?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
2Peter 1
” 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

We have the promise that God wrote the original manuscripts through men but what of the translations ?

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2006,02:04)

Hi kenrch, Did the apostles only write one version of each of the letters?

Does it matter as long as God has His letter sent to His children. Anyone who has something to do with the outcome of His Letter should have been guided by the Holy Spirit. What if the translator looked at a word and translated it correctly then the Spirit says write this which is he to do?

[942767]

Hi Nick:

Thanks for this valuable knowledge as is stated by the scriptures that you quote 2 Peter 1:20-21, and your summation that God wrote the original manuscripts through men.

And so because of the possibility of errors in translation, I have to search more than one translation when something does not seem line up with the rest of the scriptures.  It must be line upon line and precept upon precept.

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Amen 94,
Isaiah 28:13
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
One original version of each letter miscopied a few times in different ways does not preserve absolute truth. Neither the oldest nor the most common manuscripts are proven true to the original writings.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2006,20:08)

Hi, One original version of each letter miscopied a few times in different ways does not preserve absolute truth. Neither the oldest nor the most common manuscripts are proven true to the original writings.

Maybe we should have faith that is the word of God. God's thoughts are not the same as ours. God's ways are not the same as ours. if God said that blue was red then guess what blue is no longer blue but red.

[NickHassan]

4Bob

[NickHassan]

topical

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Are we in agreement that there was only one original copy of the gospels and letters?

[Phoenix]

I dont understand this because I dont have enough knowledge of it. But I wish there were only one

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2007,00:06)

Hi, Are we in agreement that there was only one original copy of the gospels and letters?

Hi Nick:

Yes, this has to be true.

God Bless

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2007,00:06)

Hi, Are we in agreement that there was only one original copy of the gospels and letters?

Hi Nick,
There can be only one “original” of any thing. If it is a copy then it is not the original. So the very first copy of the original letters and gospels, that was made by scribes, were the one original copy I suppose, but not the original thing.

I don't know where you are going with this.

Tim

[seekingtruth]

I personally believe the grouping of manuscripts used in scriptures to be for the most part true, However the translations I feel less certain of although, once again for the most part, I believe they are accurate. My position is that the whole of scripture is our safeguard. But scripture is only our starting point, as it is the Holy Spirit that guides us into all truth. And it is through seeking (guided by scripture and the Holy Spirit) that we learn of God.

Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

Luke 12:31
But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

Acts 17:27
God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

I pray that I may earnestly seek Him. To all who love the Lord may you be blessed.

Wm

[NickHassan]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 31 2007,12:13)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2007,00:06) Hi, Are we in agreement that there was only one original copy of the gospels and letters? Hi Nick, There can be only one “original” of any thing. If it is a copy then it is not the original. So the very first copy of the original letters and gospels, that was made by scribes, were the one original copy I suppose, but not the original thing. I don't know where you are going with this. Tim

Hi Tim,
If we take it that truth is preserved and there is manuscript variation on a verse then only one version is correct.

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2007,19:38)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 31 2007,12:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2007,00:06) Hi, Are we in agreement that there was only one original copy of the gospels and letters? Hi Nick, There can be only one “original” of any thing. If it is a copy then it is not the original. So the very first copy of the original letters and gospels, that was made by scribes, were the one original copy I suppose, but not the original thing. I don't know where you are going with this. Tim Hi Tim, If we take it that truth is preserved and there is manuscript variation on a verse then only one version is correct.

Hi Nick,

You are right,
How do you know which one?

Tim

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim,
That is the “holy grail”
Not necessarily the oldest found.
Not necessarily the most common.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
There are a variety of manuscripts and the bible translators chose their selections by various standards such as the oldest or the most common for use in producing their bibles. Some add unimportant words, which are shown as additions, for clarity when without them there may be unnecessary confusion. But no man has the right to insert what is not written into the bible as NIV did with Jn 12 and Rev11
Jn 12
37Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”[a]
39For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
40″He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.” 41Isaiah said this because he saw JESUS' glory and spoke about him.

42Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved praise from men more than praise from God.

KJV
' 37But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

38That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

39Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

41These things said Esaias, when he saw HIS glory, and spake of him.

42Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

43For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

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