The Man from heaven

[gollamudi]

If you make 'word' another being apart from God Himself which says “the word was God” then two.

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
So that makes two Gods for you, and some elohim?
The Word should not be your god.
He did not want you to worship him but his God[Jn20]

[gollamudi]

I believe 'word' is the very expression of God Himself therefore no other God besides Him.

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
So what form was the expression of God that was with God?
John said he saw him, now in flesh.

1Jn1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

[gollamudi]

John saw Jesus the living 'word of life' after Jesus birth not before his birth as you and others claim. Jesus is the full and complete expression and revelation of that One True God in bodily form. He is True replica of same One God not as you and others claim as 'a god' or 'begotten god'. When I see Jesus I see the True God the Father in bodily as per Col 2:9.

Thanks and peace to you
Adam

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
The one John saw he recognised as the Word. He had previously written about the Word and said the Word had been with God in the beginning. God was in him and he perfectly expressed all of God's nature and abilities while here.

[gollamudi]

John saw only the born Jesus the living word not the expression or attribute of the Only God, my brother.

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Yes but John was born of the Spirit and knew the deeper things of God and of Jesus.
We too must wallk by faith and not just by sight.

[gollamudi]

Is it speculation or from true interpretation?

[GeneBalthrop]

Adam…..you are right, God's word is who and what God is just as our word define who and what we are, It's the same with God, Jesus himself is not the word of GOD, he spoke them to us as he said he did and in many places Showed us the words were not His but the Fathers. Very easy to understand and people don't have to change any scripture to mean any thing other the what it specifically says. The word (expressed intellect) was with God and Was GOD, just like it says without changing anything, by trying to put Jesus into the equation. John was just stating what was the beginning of the creation and it was God alone who did it all by speaking (WORDS) things into creation. Only one TRUE GOD, just as Jesus Himself said. It's good you understand that Adam.

Love and peace to you and yours…………gene

[NickHassan]

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 06 2008,22:47)

Is it speculation or from true interpretation?

Hi Gm,
If you find scripture to be speculation then you have no true foundation for your faith. Scripture cannot be broken.

[gollamudi]

I was talking about your interpretation of scriptures not my faith brother.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 06 2008,22:45)

Hi GM, Yes but John was born of the Spirit and knew the deeper things of God and of Jesus. We too must wallk by faith and not just by sight.

Hi GM,
Is this speculation?
Have you any doubt that John was indwelled by the Spirit of God?

Jn20
19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

[gollamudi]

The same I have asked you; is that speculation the way you are interpreting scriptures by saying in the beginning there were two persons who are called God as per Jn 1:1?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 13 2008,02:14)

The same I have asked you; is that speculation the way you are interpreting scriptures by saying in the beginning there were two persons who are called God as per Jn 1:1?

Adam…..Your right, it's the way they interpret scripture that makes changes to the text not ours, we are reading exactly as it states and don't have to change any meaning of words to understand it.The speculations are what there doing not us.

Love and peace to you and yours Adam……..gene

[gollamudi]

Thanks for that encouragement brother Gene.

[NickHassan]

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 13 2008,02:14)

The same I have asked you; is that speculation the way you are interpreting scriptures by saying in the beginning there were two persons who are called God as per Jn 1:1?

Hi GM,
You may not understand the verse but adding your constructs to make it work for you is not right either. Please let scripture speak.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……and trinitarians and preexistences don't add constructs to turn the word (WORD) into Jesus? lets be honest in doing that they are changing text and constructing the text to meet their view points. IMO

peace ……….gene

[gollamudi]

'Let the scriptures speak' is it your slogan till you prove this preexistence or let us be honest in interpreting them as there can not be two Gods in the beginning if John was a perfect Jew he can only make the 'word' as an attribute of the same God not another person who becomes another God as per his own words in Jn 1:1.

What do you say my brother ?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Should we become Jews?

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