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Hi Marty,
You say:
Quote I can understand what you are implying, but you can not support your theory by scripture, and therefore, I don't believe that there is any more that I can say about this. I have alot of scriptures to support my theory, what I can't provide is one passage in scripture that sums up my theory but no one has been able to do show that.
Scriptures I have used to support my theory:
Col 1:15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
NASUIf the light of day one was a living being (the Son of God as I say) and He was begotten of God, then He was born of God Himself and even the first of anything born ever thus He was the firstborn of all creation.
John 1:1-13
a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.6 The Witness John
There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
NASUThe light appeared after the first word spoken by God in the beginning. In the beginning was the word “let there be light”, the word was with God, the light was with God, the word was God, the light was God. In Hebrews even the Father calls the Son “God.” John refers to the Son as the true light.
Heb 1:8-9
But of the Son He says,“YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;
THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU
WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”
NASUSee, the Father calls Him “God.”
Here the Father is speaking of the Son:
Heb 1:10-12“YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,
AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN;
AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,
12 AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP;
LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.
BUT YOU ARE THE SAME,
AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”
NASUThat clearly places the Son in the beginning before the foundation of the earth was laid.
These verses are just for starters. Yet you say that I can't support my theory with scriptures. Can you prove that these scriptures couldn't possibly intend these possibilities? Can you prove that the light of day one was having to do with merely physical light? Can you prove that the term “firstborn of all creation” couldn't mean that the Son was the first born before all other things born (in their original condition)? Can you prove that God didn't call the Son “God” in Hebrews? Can you prove that the Son had no part in laying the foundation of the earth? Until you can prove otherwise with scriptures we are at a standstill.
I do wish you well Marty, you seem like a nice guy.
LUHi Lu:
My desire is God's very best for you and your family.
I appreciate the compliment about my being a nice guy. I am what my Father has made me, and I am becoming what He is making me to be through my Lord Jesus. He's still working on me to make be what I aught to be. It took Him just a week to make the moon and the stars, but He's still working on me.
We disagree on this issue, and so, let's us pray that God will either you or me because one of us has to be wrong. Of course, with that said, you believe that you are right and I believe that I am right, but I don't mind to be corrected if I am wrong. I want to be corrected. I don't want to teach any thing that is not God's Word, and I believe that you do not want that either, and so, I am praying that God will bring us into unity.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2009,22:58) Hi Lu: My desire is God's very best for you and your family.
I appreciate the compliment about my being a nice guy. I am what my Father has made me, and I am becoming what He is making me to be through my Lord Jesus. He's still working on me to make be what I aught to be. It took Him just a week to make the moon and the stars, but He's still working on me.
We disagree on this issue, and so, let's us pray that God will either you or me because one of us has to be wrong. Of course, with that said, you believe that you are right and I believe that I am right, but I don't mind to be corrected if I am wrong. I want to be corrected. I don't want to teach any thing that is not God's Word, and I believe that you do not want that either, and so, I am praying that God will bring us into unity.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,
Yeah, I can agree with you here…unity of sorts
God bless,
LUQuote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2009,14:29) Hi Marty, You say:
Quote I can understand what you are implying, but you can not support your theory by scripture, and therefore, I don't believe that there is any more that I can say about this. I have alot of scriptures to support my theory, what I can't provide is one passage in scripture that sums up my theory but no one has been able to do show that.
Scriptures I have used to support my theory:
Col 1:15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
NASUIf the light of day one was a living being (the Son of God as I say) and He was begotten of God, then He was born of God Himself and even the first of anything born ever thus He was the firstborn of all creation.
John 1:1-13
a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.6 The Witness John
There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
NASUThe light appeared after the first word spoken by God in the beginning. In the beginning was the word “let there be light”, the word was with God, the light was with God, the word was God, the light was God. In Hebrews even the Father calls the Son “God.” John refers to the Son as the true light.
Heb 1:8-9
But of the Son He says,“YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;
THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU
WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”
NASUSee, the Father calls Him “God.”
Here the Father is speaking of the Son:
Heb 1:10-12“YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,
AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN;
AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,
12 AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP;
LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.
BUT YOU ARE THE SAME,
AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”
NASUThat clearly places the Son in the beginning before the foundation of the earth was laid.
These verses are just for starters. Yet you say that I can't support my theory with scriptures. Can you prove that these scriptures couldn't possibly intend these possibilities? Can you prove that the light of day one was having to do with merely physical light? Can you prove that the term “firstborn of all creation” couldn't mean that the Son was the first born before all other things born (in their original condition)? Can you prove that God didn't call the Son “God” in Hebrews? Can you prove that the Son had no part in laying the foundation of the earth? Until you can prove otherwise with scriptures we are at a standstill.
I do wish you well Marty, you seem like a nice guy.
LU
Hi Kathi! I agree with all, let me add one more Scripture that you forgot and that isRev. 3:14 …” These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of all creation of God.”
Peace and Love to all, Irene
P.S. I hope that we can have unity with this with some Brethren like Marty, that is my hope for us her on Heaven Net.
Quote (thehappyman @ Feb. 06 2009,15:51) Cindy are you here
Happyman Yes, I am Cindy, Irene, was IM4Truth, my real name which I always sign my post with is Irene. I had some problems with logging in and had yet to use another users name. It is my Daughters name.
Hope I have not confused you, sorry
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2009,16:17) Thanks Irene,
I'm glad that we have unity. You are a good encourager!
Love,
Kathi
Thank you so much for that compliment. You are also the one I look for support, and really appreciate you. Keep up the good work, God will have a reward waiting for you. I just can't wait till we meet our Savior and be with all. All will be all in all. Corinth.15:28 Love you too.
Peace and Love IreneTo all
Jesus said, I am the light of the world.
He also said, I am the bread of life.
He also said, I am the living water.
These are all allegories, they mean something else than what the word implies.
They are all things to sustain life; we need light, we need bread, and we need water.
Jesus said he is all of them to give us eternal life, the flesh profits nothing; in other words, he is the truth because he has the truth from the Father.
When you have the truth/light, you don't hide it under a bushel, you let it shine, you share it with others; that is what he told the apostles, they had the truth from him, they were the light of the world also.
Unfortunately, over the century's this light has been severely dimmed by those who were more interested in a following for personal gain, then for the truth.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ Feb. 05 2009,22:59)
Hello to Cindy, Marty, Lu, Irene and any I missed that have your attitudes.I appreciate and admire your sprits of humility and love as you post and discuss understandings. I pray that same spirit will prevail throughout these forums.
Paul sure made clear the one ingrediant that must prevail among us –
Quote If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. (1Cor.13:1-3) An abundance of blessings to each of you,
Seeking
Quote (SEEKING @ Feb. 06 2009,09:14) Cindy,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Hello to Cindy, Marty, Lu, Irene and any I missed that have your attitudes.I appreciate and admire your sprits of humility and love as you post and discuss understandings. I pray that same spirit will prevail throughout these forums.
Paul sure made clear the one ingrediant that must prevail among us –
Quote If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. (1Cor.13:1-3) An abundance of blessings to each of you,
Seeking
Hi Seeking,
Thanks for that encouragement! You have lifted our spirits here.God bless,
LUQuote (Cindy @ Feb. 06 2009,15:41) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2009,14:29) Hi Marty, You say:
Quote I can understand what you are implying, but you can not support your theory by scripture, and therefore, I don't believe that there is any more that I can say about this. I have alot of scriptures to support my theory, what I can't provide is one passage in scripture that sums up my theory but no one has been able to do show that.
Scriptures I have used to support my theory:
Col 1:15
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
NASUIf the light of day one was a living being (the Son of God as I say) and He was begotten of God, then He was born of God Himself and even the first of anything born ever thus He was the firstborn of all creation.
John 1:1-13
a In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.6 The Witness John
There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
NASUThe light appeared after the first word spoken by God in the beginning. In the beginning was the word “let there be light”, the word was with God, the light was with God, the word was God, the light was God. In Hebrews even the Father calls the Son “God.” John refers to the Son as the true light.
Heb 1:8-9
But of the Son He says,“YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,
AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS;
THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU
WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”
NASUSee, the Father calls Him “God.”
Here the Father is speaking of the Son:
Heb 1:10-12“YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,
AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN;
AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,
12 AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP;
LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.
BUT YOU ARE THE SAME,
AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”
NASUThat clearly places the Son in the beginning before the foundation of the earth was laid.
These verses are just for starters. Yet you say that I can't support my theory with scriptures. Can you prove that these scriptures couldn't possibly intend these possibilities? Can you prove that the light of day one was having to do with merely physical light? Can you prove that the term “firstborn of all creation” couldn't mean that the Son was the first born before all other things born (in their original condition)? Can you prove that God didn't call the Son “God” in Hebrews? Can you prove that the Son had no part in laying the foundation of the earth? Until you can prove otherwise with scriptures we are at a standstill.
I do wish you well Marty, you seem like a nice guy.
LU
Hi Kathi! I agree with all, let me add one more Scripture that you forgot and that isRev. 3:14 …” These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of all creation of God.”
Peace and Love to all, Irene
P.S. I hope that we can have unity with this with some Brethren like Marty, that is my hope for us her on Heaven Net.
Hi Cindy:You give the following quote:
Quote Rev. 3:14 …” These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of all creation of God.” Please give me the version of the bible that you are quoting.
Thanks,
MartyHere ya go Marty,
I found these different translations on the NET Bible online along with their notes. I hope it helps.Revelation 3:14
Context
NET © “To 1 the angel of the church in Laodicea write the following: 2 “This is the solemn pronouncement of 3 the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the originator 4 of God’s creation:NIV ©
biblegateway Rev 3:14
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God�s creation.NASB ©
biblegateway Rev 3:14
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:NLT ©
biblegateway Rev 3:14
“Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen��the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God�s creation:MSG ©
biblegateway Rev 3:14
Write to Laodicea, to the Angel of the church. God's Yes, the Faithful and Accurate Witness, the First of God's creation, says:BBE ©
SABDAweb Rev 3:14
And to the angel of the church in Laodicea say: These things says the true and certain witness, the head of God�s new order:NRSV ©
bibleoremusRev 3:14
“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the origin of God�s creation:NKJV ©
biblegateway Rev 3:14
“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, �These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:——————————————————————————–
KJV And
unto the angel
of the church
of the Laodiceans
write
(5657)_;These things
saith
(5719)the Amen
_,the faithful
and
true
witness
_,the beginning
of the creation
of God
_;{of the Laodiceans: or, in Laodicea}NASB ©
biblegateway Rev 3:14
“To the angel
of the church
in Laodicea
write
: The Amen
, the faithful
and true
Witness
, the Beginning
of the creation
of God
, says
this
:
GREEK kaiCONJtw
T-DSMaggelw
N-DSMthv
T-GSFen
PREPlaodikeia
N-DSFekklhsiav
N-GSFgraqon
(5657)
V-AAM-2StadeD-APNlegei
(5719)
V-PAI-3SoT-NSMamhn
HEBo
T-NSMmartuv
N-NSMo
T-NSMpistov
A-NSMkai
CONJ[o]
T-NSMalhyinov
A-NSMh
T-NSFarch
N-NSFthv
T-GSFktisewv
N-GSFtou
T-GSMyeou
N-GSM
NET © [draft] ITL “To the angel
of the church
in
Laodicea
write
the following
: “This is the solemn pronouncement
of the Amen
, the faithful
and
true
witness
, the originator of God’s creation
:
NET © “To 1 the angel of the church in Laodicea write the following: 2 “This is the solemn pronouncement of 3 the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the originator 4 of God’s creation:NET © Notes 1 tn Here καί (kai) has not been translated due to differences between Greek and English style.
2 tn The phrase “the following” after “write” is supplied to clarify that what follows is the content of what is to be written.
3 tn Grk “These things says [the One]…” See the note on the phrase “this is the solemn pronouncement of” in 2:1.
sn The expression This is the solemn pronouncement of reflects an OT idiom. See the note on this phrase in 2:1.
4 tn Or “the beginning of God’s creation”; or “the ruler of God’s creation.” From a linguistic standpoint all three meanings for ἀρχή (arch) are possible. The term is well attested in both LXX (Gen 40:13, 21; 41:13) and intertestamental Jewish literature (2 Macc 4:10, 50) as meaning “ruler, authority” (BDAG 138 s.v. 6). Some have connected this passage to Paul’s statements in Col 1:15, 18 which describe Christ as ἀρχή and πρωτότοκος (prwtotoko”; e.g., see R. H. Mounce, Revelation [NICNT], 124) but the term ἀρχή has been understood as either “beginning” or “ruler” in that passage as well. The most compelling connection is to be found in the prologue to John’s Gospel (1:2-4) where the λόγος (logos) is said to be “in the beginning (ἀρχή) with God,” a temporal reference connected with creation, and then v. 3 states that “all things were made through him.” The connection with the original creation suggests the meaning “originator” for ἀρχή here. BDAG 138 s.v. 3 gives the meaning “the first cause” for the word in Rev 3:14, a term that is too philosophical for the general reader, so the translation “originator” was used instead. BDAG also notes, “but the mng. beginning = ‘first created’ is linguistically probable (s. above 1b and Job 40:19; also CBurney, Christ as the ᾿Αρχή of Creation: JTS 27, 1926, 160-77).” Such a meaning is unlikely here, however, since the connections described above are much more probable.
LU
Kathi,
Thank you for posting the link and sorry about the delay but I wanted to pray about this before I posted it.Light and Dark, Life & Death, conscious & unconscious..
I believe in Genesis the statement “let there be light” to mean much more then simply, let there be a source of illumination. I believe it to be more akin to let there be; that “spark of life”, intelligence, perhaps even the establishment for our very souls.
If “let there be light” if it is more akin to; life, intelligence, the bases for our soul, then what you heard Kathi would make sense, you, as well as the rest of us, would be part of what was established at that time.
I mean how do you define “life”, I typed in “define life” and found that most agree that we cannot even define life. However there seems to be links between life, and light, and intelligence, you know; “spark of life”, “the light came on”… if your 'bright' enough you'll figure it out (sorry bad pun).
I know we could be wrong, but it does seem to fit, and solves more problems then it creates. I also want to be clear to others, knowing this is not necessary, I believe it's simply a revelation of God to just couple of ordinary people wanting to know God better.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (Cindy @ Feb. 06 2009,21:52) To all Jesus said, I am the light of the world.
He also said, I am the bread of life.
He also said, I am the living water.
These are all allegories, they mean something else than what the word implies.
They are all things to sustain life; we need light, we need bread, and we need water.
Jesus said he is all of them to give us eternal life, the flesh profits nothing; in other words, he is the truth because he has the truth from the Father.
When you have the truth/light, you don't hide it under a bushel, you let it shine, you share it with others; that is what he told the apostles, they had the truth from him, they were the light of the world also.
Unfortunately, over the century's this light has been severely dimmed by those who were more interested in a following for personal gain, then for the truth.Georg
Georg,This is wonderful insight and connection made – thank you!
Love,
MandyHi,
We can justify any human thought if we work hard enough.
Scripture is very malleable.But we should listen to what it says.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 25 2009,07:23) Kathi,
Thank you for posting the link and sorry about the delay but I wanted to pray about this before I posted it.Light and Dark, Life & Death, conscious & unconscious..
I believe in Genesis the statement “let there be light” to mean much more then simply, let there be a source of illumination. I believe it to be more akin to let there be; that “spark of life”, intelligence, perhaps even the establishment for our very souls.
If “let there be light” if it is more akin to; life, intelligence, the bases for our soul, then what you heard Kathi would make sense, you, as well as the rest of us, would be part of what was established at that time.
I mean how do you define “life”, I typed in “define life” and found that most agree that we cannot even define life. However there seems to be links between life, and light, and intelligence, you know; “spark of life”, “the light came on”… if your 'bright' enough you'll figure it out (sorry bad pun).
I know we could be wrong, but it does seem to fit, and solves more problems then it creates. I also want to be clear to others, knowing this is not necessary, I believe it's simply a revelation of God to just couple of ordinary people wanting to know God better.
My opinion – Wm
Hi Wm,
Thank you for prayerfully seeking your response, I was praying for you as well.I am delighted to read your post. The Lord used you to lift my spirits today. His timing is perfect. When the “Net” gets dark somewhere the Lord opens a window.
Be bold dear brother, many will try to discourage you and claim that it is a human forced understanding but I believe what we have experienced was from God, simple and beautiful and harmonizes with the rest of scripture.
John 1:4
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
NASUJohn 8:12-13
” I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
NASUI totally get what you mean that the day one light was life and the life was the Light of men. The Son was given life at that time, not by a created act but as an only offspring of God Himself, and that life was the Light intended to be given to those who follow Christ so we will not walk in darkness but have the “Light of life.” This is how I understand this anyway.
I also agree that He speaks understanding to ordinary people, like us and that understanding which He has graciously given us is not necessary for salvation but it does greatly help bring understanding to scripture where there once was some confusion.
Anyway, William (it is William-right), I hope that I have encouraged you. Also, don't worry about your presentation of your thoughts in words. I was benefited by your words and I am sure others are/will be also.
One last thing…what year did you come to this understanding?
God bless you greatly,
KathiHi S,
You said
“Hello to Cindy, Marty, Lu, Irene and any I missed that have your attitudes.”
Divide and rule?Hi lU
John 1:4
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.So what was IN HIM is the SPIRIT of LIFE, the Spirit which brings true understanding.
Hi Kathi
Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2009,03:08)
.” The connection with the original creation suggests the meaning “originator” for ἀρχή here. BDAG 138 s.v. 3 gives the meaning “the first cause” for the word in Rev 3:14, a term that is too philosophical for the general reader, so the translation “originator” was used instead. BDAG also notes, “but the mng. beginning = ‘first created’ is linguistically probable (s. above 1b and Job 40:19; also CBurney, Christ as the ᾿Αρχή of Creation: JTS 27, 1926, 160-77).” Such a meaning is unlikely here, however, since the connections described above are much more probable.The word “Originator” is a good one for Jesus truly is the “Originator” of all things for without him was not “anything” (including the light of Genesis) made that was made.
The scriptures say “In the beginning was the Word” so if the Word was with God in the begining then he was before the beginning.
Jesus is the “Word” the “Word” preceeded the light in Genesis!
Blessings! WJ
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