- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Quote (princess @ July 16 2013,05:01) How do you know that eternal is your gods doing? What proof do you really have? A book? Listen T8, I don't know who you are trying to convince me or you I do know though, your male deity is not the eternal. You have just chosen him to be. Which is where your path has ended.
You don't make sense here because you are running on emotions from what I can tell.I never claimed God is a male. He is a spirit. If there is no male or female in Christ, then why would God be male.
And how do I know that eternity is God's doing.
Well follow the debate. Everything came from one of these:
a) Nothing
b) Something eternal
c) Eternal GodThere are no other options and the first two are impossible. It is a simple process of elimination if you want to get logical about it.
Further, I post this graphic for you so that your debate can be improved. Try to aim for 'counter-argument upward'. So far, your points seem to be below counter-argument.
How about some good points against or for a) b) c)?
To all,
If I understand it correctly according to the big bang theory the universe was contained in the infinitely small cosmic egg.
Hello T, hope all is well.
What do you think intelligence is? What does T8 think it is? Kerwin? We all have different outlooks on what intelligence is. Now by the majority is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. What is knowledge? Survival? Knowing to look both ways before crossing the street?
To you knowledge or intelligence can come from someone that is well versed in your faith. To me it could be the man that brought light to a village with no electricity by the use of water bottles. Others it could be measured by a number of things.The use of it depends on the individual themselves. Some will apply it others may not.
And don't be so fooled by animals T, they don't want us to know how intelligent they really are, why would they? Look what we as humans have done to their habitats, why would they want to associate with our race?
Now if you are driving home the point that some form of intelligence created everything on earth, I some what disagree. I live by the motto work smarter not harder. Taking all the time to create every individual aspect of life would be too much, I would place one thing in motion and let it run it's course and move onto other things. That is just my take on the matter.
@T8
Slim you really need to proof read your post.
Quote I never claimed God is a male. He is a spirit.
LOL! Enough said!How do you expect logical debating to come about when I must consistently refer back to basics with you.
A simple search of 'creation gods' is sufficent to support my question 'What solid evidence do you have that supports your claim that your god is the creator god'?
Many claim 'god' created the universe, so it would be sufficent to say that the majority of humanity believe in such. It is not due to logical thinking it is due to the lack of not really knowing and being given choices that seem logical.
It is not that you really know, it is what you have chosen to believe. That is simple logic. No pyramid scheme is needed.
Breathe T8 I think you are getting a little emotional yourself.
Quote (princess @ July 16 2013,16:05) Hello T, hope all is well. What do you think intelligence is? What does T8 think it is? Kerwin? We all have different outlooks on what intelligence is. Now by the majority is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. What is knowledge? Survival? Knowing to look both ways before crossing the street?
To you knowledge or intelligence can come from someone that is well versed in your faith. To me it could be the man that brought light to a village with no electricity by the use of water bottles. Others it could be measured by a number of things.The use of it depends on the individual themselves. Some will apply it others may not.
And don't be so fooled by animals T, they don't want us to know how intelligent they really are, why would they? Look what we as humans have done to their habitats, why would they want to associate with our race?
Now if you are driving home the point that some form of intelligence created everything on earth, I some what disagree. I live by the motto work smarter not harder. Taking all the time to create every individual aspect of life would be too much, I would place one thing in motion and let it run it's course and move onto other things. That is just my take on the matter.
princessQuote I live by the motto work smarter not harder but is this not the motto that all men try to fulfill but not all can ,because they are not placed before that opportunity to do so
it is the idea of yours that is scary ,imagine that all men would have that equal goal and reach it ,what do you think this world would be like
Quote (princess @ July 16 2013,16:05) Hello T, hope all is well. What do you think intelligence is? What does T8 think it is? Kerwin? We all have different outlooks on what intelligence is. Now by the majority is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. What is knowledge? Survival? Knowing to look both ways before crossing the street?
To you knowledge or intelligence can come from someone that is well versed in your faith. To me it could be the man that brought light to a village with no electricity by the use of water bottles. Others it could be measured by a number of things.The use of it depends on the individual themselves. Some will apply it others may not.
And don't be so fooled by animals T, they don't want us to know how intelligent they really are, why would they? Look what we as humans have done to their habitats, why would they want to associate with our race?
Now if you are driving home the point that some form of intelligence created everything on earth, I some what disagree. I live by the motto work smarter not harder. Taking all the time to create every individual aspect of life would be too much, I would place one thing in motion and let it run it's course and move onto other things. That is just my take on the matter.
Princess,Animals communicate and teach knowledge. As far as I know they do not increase in knowledge as a kind though they most likely learn from experience.
Princess
Quote And don't be so fooled by animals T, they don't want us to know how intelligent they really are, why would they? Look what we as humans have done to their habitats, why would they want to associate with our race? all those animals are in the same position than all men that cannot change there where about and condition because it depend on those that have your motto ,and their fulfillment is more important than the life of their fellow men ,
is this right
Quote (princess @ July 17 2013,00:58) @T8 Slim you really need to proof read your post.
Quote I never claimed God is a male. He is a spirit.
LOL! Enough said!
Not enough said, you need to think more.God created Man (mankind/adam) male and female in his image.
God possess both male and female qualities, not their bodily features.
Just because it says He doesn't mean it is necessarily male. That is only true in the context of male and female. Angels are not given in a marriage and do not reproduce, and they could be called HE. HE is simply a word to identify. It's just that females have a special word “she” to differentiate from males. Do not let that confuse you.
The fact that woman came from man means that man must have the chromosome set that woman has. And this is what we find. Males have a male and female set XY. Females have 2 sets of female chromosome, XX.
You could argue that the nature or quality of XY is present in God. But remember that God is not a man and he is not flesh. He is Spirit and not a created being.
The eternal Universe Theory (Eternal Something Non-Living Theory) requires belief in the following:
- That life came from non-life.
- That the Universe can self-organise even though it possess no consciousness.
- That it is limited to 4 dimensions, when we know mathematically that there are many more higher dimensions.
- That it continues to maintain order, even in light of the laws of Physics which dictate that without maintenance, things fall apart and go from order to disorder.
- That the universe produced bananas on its own with no thought or intelligence required.
- That we are able to observe this eternal Universe for a time. How did the Universe do it considering it doesn't possess that gift/quality/feature itself. Harder than getting blood out of a rock.
- That the Universe continues to outperform beings endowed with intelligence. In other words, we who possess IQ copy designs and inventions from the Universe which has the IQ of a pair of socks. That is less IQ than a 6 month old baby. Could even the best of us (intellectual wise) make a Universe? Could Albert Einstein make an Earth worm?
Quote (kerwin @ July 23 2013,14:39) T, We make robots an an earthworm is a super advanced type of robot.
Except an earth worm is alive.@ princess
Think of it like this. If the universe is first, then it had no cause because if it did, then it came from something and that something obviously precedes the universe and therefore the universe cannot be first. Whatever is first had to have no cause because that is the definition of first in this context. Once we understand that, then there are some interesting requirements that the original or first thing must have, such as it must be eternal or infinite. Otherwise again, it is not the first. The more you look into it, the more you can see the parallels with this and God.
If the universe has life, then life is part of the source of the universe. If the universe has order, then order is part of the source of the universe. If the universe has design, then the source of the universe has the ability to design. The ingredients and products of the universe must also be present in the source of the universe, otherwise they come from nothing which we already know is impossible.
Let's see. The source produced intelligence, design. life, and laws. Is that not a description of God? Is he not living, a designer, an intelligence, and the law giver? You can deny God in word, but you cannot deny in deed the need that the source of the universe possesses the qualities that it produced. So you may not like the idea that there is an eternal living designer and lawgiver, but you have to accept it logically and by that definition you agree that there is a God.
Your eternal Universe theory leads you to conclude that God exists.
Quote (t8 @ July 23 2013,17:48) Quote (kerwin @ July 23 2013,14:39) T, We make robots an an earthworm is a super advanced type of robot.
Except an earth worm is alive.
T8,Define life.
Quote (t8 @ July 26 2013,17:46) Consciousness.
T8,I am not sure an earthworm is very conscious. I was thinking en-souled. They may be the same thing.
The robots we have today are primitive and robots with self awareness may come to be as technology increases.
Quote (princess @ July 16 2013,21:05) Hello T, hope all is well. What do you think intelligence is? What does T8 think it is? Kerwin? We all have different outlooks on what intelligence is. Now by the majority is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. What is knowledge? Survival? Knowing to look both ways before crossing the street?
To you knowledge or intelligence can come from someone that is well versed in your faith. To me it could be the man that brought light to a village with no electricity by the use of water bottles. Others it could be measured by a number of things.The use of it depends on the individual themselves. Some will apply it others may not.
And don't be so fooled by animals T, they don't want us to know how intelligent they really are, why would they? Look what we as humans have done to their habitats, why would they want to associate with our race?
Now if you are driving home the point that some form of intelligence created everything on earth, I some what disagree. I live by the motto work smarter not harder. Taking all the time to create every individual aspect of life would be too much, I would place one thing in motion and let it run it's course and move onto other things. That is just my take on the matter.
Hello Princess,In all your examples intelligence is shown. Intelligence is easily seen when there is a complex problem that is answered or solved by the intelligent being that solved it. However, intelligence doesn't always show wisdom… that is using the intellect in the best possible way. You could be very intelligent and still make a very wrong choice. So when you say the man who makes light in water bottles is intelligent you are correct. When you dismiss the man who is well versed in the faith because of choices and determinations you've made in your own mind you are also showing intelligence in that you used complex thinking to come to your answer. However, you have not optimized your intelligence and failed to use wisdom if you come to such an answer.
And considering there are many animals that try to eat their own children after they are born, shows us how much animals would actually care about habitat conservation if they had any substantial level of intelligence… or is that behavior being done to trick us? hmmmm.
Now you say it would be too much to make every aspect of life. But here's a question. If you had eternity to do something, would you take the easy way? God is outside of the universe and time is non existent to God. Time exists because God created it and implemented it in our universe. Time is irrelevant.
Now to respond to kerwin.
So the life we speak here is conscious and intelligent or wise, so then I take it we are not using the traditional definition of “life”. (eg. a tree, bacteria) So if trees and bacteria are not listed as life as we are defining it, then it would stand to reason that the true meaning of life is to be alive and to witness the world around you and wish to understand it. If that is what life is then who is to say that a robot could not be a living thing if given the ability to think as we do. The question is if it can think and comprehend as we do and has a consciousness of this world is it still alive even if it doesn't have a soul? Intelligence or consciousness by itself is not life and neither is a living (forgive the use of language) organism that does not have the wisdom to understand its surroundings and Gods creation. Life is wisdom and soul tethered together as one.
Quote (t8 @ July 22 2013,12:52) Quote (princess @ July 17 2013,00:58) @T8 Slim you really need to proof read your post.
Quote I never claimed God is a male. He is a spirit.
LOL! Enough said!
Not enough said, you need to think more.God created Man (mankind/adam) male and female in his image.
God possess both male and female qualities, not their bodily features.
Just because it says He doesn't mean it is necessarily male. That is only true in the context of male and female. Angels are not given in a marriage and do not reproduce, and they could be called HE. HE is simply a word to identify. It's just that females have a special word “she” to differentiate from males. Do not let that confuse you.
The fact that woman came from man means that man must have the chromosome set that woman has. And this is what we find. Males have a male and female set XY. Females have 2 sets of female chromosome, XX.
You could argue that the nature or quality of XY is present in God. But remember that God is not a man and he is not flesh. He is Spirit and not a created being.
T8,Your too cute! It is alright T8, you do not have to be political correct with me. When a man as yourself believes in the christian bible without thought I expect nothing less. You do not disappoint. I do not expect anytime soon will be referring to your god as 'she'. LOL.
XOXOXO
(don't read too much into that one T8, just another way of saying hugs and kisses)Enjoy the day!
Quote (kerwin @ July 27 2013,07:33) Quote (t8 @ July 26 2013,17:46) Consciousness.
T8,I am not sure an earthworm is very conscious. I was thinking en-souled. They may be the same thing.
The robots we have today are primitive and robots with self awareness may come to be as technology increases.
What made Adam a living soul?
God's breath/spirit.Does God breathe into robots?
If a robot is programmed to give adequate responses, does that make it alive?Quote (princess @ July 29 2013,15:12) When a man as yourself believes in the christian bible without thought I expect nothing less. You do not disappoint. I do not expect anytime soon will be referring to your god as 'she'. LOL.
In other words, you have no come back on my words.
I'll take that as a victory.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
