The JW ''S ARE PREACHING ERROR

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,01:57)

Hi Wake-up, Since we both agree that God had no beginning, God, therefore, was certainly there at the beginning.   <– do you agree or no?   …if no why? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

God had no beginning brother,neither his word had no beginning.
But john 1:1 says in the beginning was the word??
You have to ask God to reveal this to you.I pray he will.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2011,01:10)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2011,02:50) yes I know angels are messengers,in fact you will read it in my post That's close to what I asked you.  I want to know if you realized the very word “aggelos”, from which we get “angel”, MEANS “messenger”.  It is not a case of angels BEING messengers, as you've stated.  It is a case of the very word MEANING “messenger”.  Do you understand this? Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2011,02:50) THE WORD MADE MICHAELTHE ANGEL,AND THE ANGELS;HOW CAN THE ANGEL MICHAEL BE THE WORD?? Please explain THIS TO ME BEFORE WE GO ANYWHERE. I agree with you that Michael was one of the angels made THROUGH the Word of God, who is Jesus.  Jesus didn't MAKE Michael and the other angels, they were made by God THROUGH Jesus.  As Tertullian brilliantly pointed out in one of his writings: He who makes is one, and he THROUGH WHOM the thing is made is ANOTHER. (Emphasis mine) Do you agree that “the Word of God” is Jesus? peace, mike

Again Mike,the word was made flesh and he is called Jesus.The only begotten of God.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wake-up,

       You say:

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God had no beginning brother,neither his word had no beginning.

       You also say:

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you can never say; in the beginning was God

So why can you say “in the beginning was the word”, but at the same time
you say you cannot say “in the beginning was God”,
when you say that neither had a beginning?

This is a serious question, THAT DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION!
rather than you just merely giving some cleshay answer,
like “you will have to ask God to reveal this to you.”

It appears to be inconsistency on YOUR part!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,22:38)

Hi Wake-up,        You say: Quote   God had no beginning brother,neither his word had no beginning.        You also say: Quote   you can never say; in the beginning was God So why can you say “in the beginning was the word”, but at the same time you say you cannot say “in the beginning was God”, when you say that neither had a beginning? This is a serious question, THAT DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION! rather than you just merely giving some cleshay answer, like “you will have to ask God to reveal this to you.” It appears to be inconsistency on YOUR part! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj.

I know you are baffled; but I can not help you; only the holy spirit can.

Wakeup.

[Wakeup]

EDJ

Remember luke 10:22 ?

I am very seriuous brother,I can not do it for you.
And this is not a cop out. Or some kind of wicked trick.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2012,21:16)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2012,11:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2012,06:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2012,02:30) Hi Wakeup, What is your opinion of this site? Do you think the KJV people are trying to gain name recognition for the JWs? Hi Mike b. I think we have to be patient,it will take time to clear up what we have been fed with in the past. People like to stick to the old,and if you confront them with something they never heard before; they will stand up and defend them self. We must stay with the scriptures.(the flesh of Christ.) Strange flesh will give you a stomach upset. Thank you mike. wakeup. I don't know what your post means.  But let me ask you this: When God gave His name to Moses, do you think He intended for us to use that name, or just blow it off? Mikeb. God did not reveal his name to moses,he just said I AM THAT I AM. This is a statement: I am everything,I am all. Tell the children of israel; i am the God of abraham,isaac,and jacob. THIS IS MY NAME FOR EVER.(ex.3:14.15.) He did not say my name is Jehovah or yhwh. The jws are selling a product,called by the name jehovahs witnesses. Not the flock, but the tract society,you must understand this.Using Gods name to promote their religion. Dont be offended by this ok. peace. wakeup.

wakeup

you forgot to take in account many things,like;

God was alone at one point before he start to create right;yes

so do you believe that when he start to create did he already knew the full outcome of what it would be ,including all the possibilities ??of cause he did,it could not be other wise,

so the first thing he created was a being called THE WORD;

look wen God decided to free his people the first thing he did is chose a man to give his WORD to ,and made a god out of him ,why is that for 40 years Moses did what his God told him to do ,and his God made sure that his people will see in him his representative on earth,at that time to do the work that God assigned to him,

this is in a similar way the case of Christ,all men were born under the curse of Adam and so are sinner ;the one that God will send could not be under the curse and if he is it will be as a Innocent and free of the curse of Adam,this is why God send his only begotten(Christ is the only being created directly by God himself this is why he is call the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON)
son,free from Adam sin;no man father only the power of God can do this;this is well written in Prov;8;22-30

wen time came to save men and open Gods kingdom to them ,he send his son called Jesus Christ ,to prove that he was what and who he was God made miracles for him at his request (always Prayed before so ask his father)

to help those who would believe he as send his holy spirit to joint them ,this holy spirit his the will of God and the power to accomplish that will,

now Gods holy spirit can do many things in many ways ,it can stop certain things of happening,or make them happen,he can guide some one in his search for truth in Gods words (scriptures)so that he can understand what is taking up his deep interest ,he can do powerful works,but always for and in line with Gods will,

now let not be mix up with the holy spirit and Gods spirit or Christ spirit ,

the holy spirit is the spirit that is active at all time to fulfill Gods will on earth,the spirit of God would be rather the understanding of Gods purpose and plan as it is written in the scriptures,all related to his will ,

Christ spirit ;is mainly the will in deploying the love for his father will,even if it will cost him his live,

this is the spirit that true Christians should possessed if they are in Christ just as Paul says;

that would be the love that can be seen from true Christians,

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,02:19)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,22:38) Hi Wake-up,        You say: Quote   God had no beginning brother,neither his word had no beginning.        You also say: Quote   you can never say; in the beginning was God So why can you say “in the beginning was the word”, but at the same time you say you cannot say “in the beginning was God”, when you say that neither had a beginning? This is a serious question, THAT DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION! rather than you just merely giving some cleshay answer, like “you will have to ask God to reveal this to you.” It appears to be inconsistency on YOUR part! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj. I know you are baffled; but I can not help you; only the holy spirit can. Wakeup.

Ha Ha ha ha ah

So, you can't explain why you have inconsistencies in YOUR belief?
then how can YOU expect anyone to take what you say seriously?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Reason for Edit: to remove a double quote

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,02:25)

EDJ Remember luke 10:22 ? I am very seriuous brother,I can not do it for you. And this is not a cop out. Or some kind of wicked trick. wakeup.

Hi Wake-up,

It most certainly is 'a cop out' cleshay answer, just like I would expect
out of someone who doesn't want to face their own inconsistencies.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is,
but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2012,20:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,01:41)   The Apostles only, you say, are the only ones filled with the “HolySpirit”?   <– Is this what you believe?   yes

           Is it not YOU who denies Romans 8:9?

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Reason for edit: Grammar

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2012,21:16)

Mikeb. God did not reveal his name to moses,he just said I AM THAT I AM. This is a statement: I am everything,I am all. Tell the children of israel; i am the God of abraham,isaac,and jacob. THIS IS MY NAME FOR EVER.(ex.3:14.15.)

Interesting that your claim directly contradicts the scripture you listed to support your claim.  

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2012,21:28)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2011,01:10) I agree with you that Michael was one of the angels made THROUGH the Word of God, who is Jesus.  Jesus didn't MAKE Michael and the other angels, they were made by God THROUGH Jesus.  As Tertullian brilliantly pointed out in one of his writings: He who makes is one, and he THROUGH WHOM the thing is made is ANOTHER. (Emphasis mine) Do you agree that “the Word of God” is Jesus? peace, mike Again Mike,the word was made flesh and he is called Jesus.The only begotten of God. wakeup.

And were all things made through “The Word”?  YES.

Were all things made through “The Son of God”?  YES.

Were all things made through “Our Lord Jesus Christ”?  YES.

Wakeup, in John 17:5, was it “the Word”, or “Jesus himself” who claimed to have had glory with God before the world existed?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2012,09:19)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,22:38) Hi Wake-up,        You say: Quote   God had no beginning brother,neither his word had no beginning.        You also say: Quote   you can never say; in the beginning was God So why can you say “in the beginning was the word”, but at the same time you say you cannot say “in the beginning was God”, when you say that neither had a beginning? This is a serious question, THAT DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION! rather than you just merely giving some cleshay answer, like “you will have to ask God to reveal this to you.” It appears to be inconsistency on YOUR part! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj. I know you are baffled; but I can not help you; only the holy spirit can. Wakeup.

That's pretty weak, Wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,11:33)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2012,21:16) Mikeb. God did not reveal his name to moses,he just said I AM THAT I AM. This is a statement: I am everything,I am all. Tell the children of israel; i am the God of abraham,isaac,and jacob. THIS IS MY NAME FOR EVER.(ex.3:14.15.) Interesting that your claim directly contradicts the scripture you listed to support your claim.

Hi Mike,

Wake-up does not seem to notice his inconsistencies, and
when we point them out he has difficulty facing them as well.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,11:39)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2012,09:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,22:38) Hi Wake-up,        You say: Quote   God had no beginning brother,neither his word had no beginning.        You also say: Quote   you can never say; in the beginning was God So why can you say “in the beginning was the word”, but at the same time you say you cannot say “in the beginning was God”, when you say that neither had a beginning? This is a serious question, THAT DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION! rather than you just merely giving some cleshay answer, like “you will have to ask God to reveal this to you.” It appears to be inconsistency on YOUR part! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj. I know you are baffled; but I can not help you; only the holy spirit can. Wakeup.  That's pretty weak, Wakeup.

Mike.

I know its so hard; but just pray.
But this mystery is not weak as you call it.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wake-up,

What's weak is your inability to face the dilemma you created
for yourself and instead YOU try to pawn it off on God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[thehappyman]

Hi Wakeup,
thank you , you have spoken clearly about John 1:1-4 IMO … Thank you again

[Wakeup]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,14:35)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,11:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2012,09:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2012,22:38) Hi Wake-up,        You say: Quote   God had no beginning brother,neither his word had no beginning.        You also say: Quote   you can never say; in the beginning was God So why can you say “in the beginning was the word”, but at the same time you say you cannot say “in the beginning was God”, when you say that neither had a beginning? This is a serious question, THAT DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION! rather than you just merely giving some cleshay answer, like “you will have to ask God to reveal this to you.” It appears to be inconsistency on YOUR part! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj. I know you are baffled; but I can not help you; only the holy spirit can. Wakeup.  That's pretty weak, Wakeup.   Mike. I know its so hard; but just pray. But this mystery is not weak as you call it. wakeup.

Mikeb and Edj.

Let me try once more.
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD.
BUT YOU CAN NOT SAY IN THE BEGINNING WAS GOD,BECAUSE GOD IS FROM EVERLASTING,AND SO IS THE WORD. STILL CONFUSED HAH.
ITS SO SIMPLE; BECAUSE THERE WAS A BEGINNING WHEN GOD SPOKE, TO CREATE HIS CREATURES.
If you still can not see this than,lets pray and ask God for to reveal.

peace to you bro's.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wake-up,

Let us establish, at least what you are trying to say.
Are you saying God's word started when he first spake?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

And until then, it didn't exist?

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 12 2012,12:35)

And until then, it didn't exist?

Mike b.

Everything created had a beginning.agree?
There was a beginning when God spoke to create.agree.
before things were created,God did not speak anything into existence. But his word is in him always.
Therefore John said; in the beginning was the word.(spoken)
And the angels were created; I am not sure if the angels were his first,Maybe his throne and the four beasts,i dont know.But can you see it now?

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2012,18:24)

Hi Wake-up, Let us establish, at least what you are trying to say. Are you saying God's word started when he first spake? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

His word was always inside him from everlasting.
Then at one time God decided to create; then he spoke things into existence. This is when the word begins to create,creatures in heaven.
Therefore John said ;In the BEGINNIING,WAS THE WORD(the creation) the word of God in action.

wakeup.

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