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Bodhitharta,
The command to live by the Spirit is not given anywhere in the Old Testament but instead it testifies of a time when the Law will be written on the herarts and put within the people of God.
Hi David:
The “Word” is the Greek “Logos” which means that which God has spoken and emodies an idea or plan. It pertains to Jesus, but is not him as a sentient person. The “Word” was and is God, and we have seen “God” manifested through the life that Jesus lived in obedience to “The Word” or obedience to the Father. Jesus existed in the heart of God from the beginning, but was manifested to the world at the time that God has seen from the beginning.
Jesus said the following in John 14:
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
In John 17 he said the following:
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Hebrews 1 states that “he is the express image of God’s person”, and that should be understood through the scriptures that I quoted above. Also, Jesus prays that we will be “one” with him and the Father just as “he is one with the Father”.
I hope this helps you to understand.
Love in Christ,
Martywith the word ‘one’ as posted in the above message,I cannot be you and vice versa. as jesus said that they be one AS WE ARE ONE> so it must be total absolute unity in thought word and deed
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If my son is the spitting image of me, then no one is going to think my son is me (his Father) right?
So why is it then that the one who is called image of God, who is the son of God, and the firstborn of all creation is considered God as well?
“No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.” – John 1:18 NIV
“I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.” John 17:11
Notice in this verse it says God has given Jesus His own name – God Himself calls the Son ‘GOD’…not god or a god, but has bestowed His own name upon the Son..!!
“But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.” Hebrews 1:8
Concerning Himself Jesus says, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”
In Revelation 1:8 Jesus reveals Himself, stating -“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
So why is the Son considered to be God as well?
Simply because this is what Scripture (not man) teaches..!!
He was with God – He was God..!!!
John 1:18Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)
18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare.
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“No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.” – John 1:18 NIV
These are not just different translations they are completely different structures, meanings and phrases….unbelieveable!
“No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.” – Aramaic Bible
Bodhitharta,
Not really, take out the words “who is himself God” and they are paraphrases of one another.
There is manuscript difference that partially explains the difference but translators also “paraphrased” the words and so inserted their own ideas.
John 1:18New King James Version (NKJV)
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[a] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Footnotes:John 1:18 NU-Text reads only begotten God.
a sincere jew reading the words “only begotten god” would not see the word as meaning the one true god but would instead see it as meaning a human that was superior to other humans. the same interpretation works for the niv even though the translators attempted to get around that.
Note: I used one case to symbolize the fact that Koine Greek only uses one case. Any change in case it a decision made by translators.
DavidL
The bottom line is the manuscripts disagree on the wording of John 1:18 and which enables teachers to cherry pick whichever version they deem is more friendly to their teaching.
I have no trouble with either as I know that not only was a John a Jew but his audience was as well. The Jews of Jesus’ days were not Trinitarians and would not have interpreted even the words the only begotten god as meaning the one true God. They would have just seen it has meaning the superior child of God.
The biggest difference between the teachings of Paul and those Jews that did not believe was that he taught that Jesus was the Messiah they waited for and they did not believe him. He did not teach Trinitarianism which which is a radical departure from what is clearly written in the OT and what the Jews of that day believed.
HI @DavidL
“No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.” – Aramaic Bible
That’s even again a different entire structure but what’s more if you are a begotten God then you were not always God, right?
bodhitharta,
Good point but I will point out that the word god has multiple meanings in either English or Koine Greek. To presume is means the only true God in any sentence is a dangerous error.
DB…….you said, “YOU COULD NOT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A GOD IF YOUR WERE BEGOTTEN OF HIM”. Good point. There is only ONE TRUE GOD, ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE GODS, WHILE THE WORD GOD IS A RELATIVE TERM, THERE IS “ONLY” ONE WHO “TRULY” FILL THAT TERM, AND HE IS THE LORD (adonia) OUR GOD.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………………gene
What’s funny is the actual image you use of Jesus, the image itself is false and is the image of a Pope’s son
Bod, who are you talking to? No one here thinks that is the image of Jesus and no one has suggested it or even hinted at it.
Are you talking to yourself, because you are not talking to me or anyone else who comes here as far as I know.
I have rejected Catholicism and these traditions that have been passed down.
We are seeking the real faith which is a personal relationship with the one true God and his only begotten son. If you did the same, then we could seek together. But you insist on Islam and then throw Catholicism in our face? What’s up with that? We reject both.
“No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.” – Aramaic Bible
DavidL, you lack diligence in accurately handling the word of truth. We need to work harder than a quote from one translation especially when translations differ. We need to go into the original or older languages ourselves or compare translations before making silly absolute statements based on a differing translation.
Further, many are called ‘theos’ and are not the one true God. You ignore this because it is convenient for you to do so. This is not an honest approach. To receive truth, your heart must be true.
Anyway, I have done such a study. Feel free to point out fault or encouragement if I have done a good job.
https://heavennet.net/writings/supporting-the-trinity-doctrine/john-1_18/
DavidL, you lack diligence in accurately handling the word of truth.
Bible study is good – but our intellectual understanding can never replace the revelation given by the Spirit…
If you’re confused about Text – why not ask Him to reveal Himself to you.
Yes, many are called ‘theos’ – but isn’t it obvious to you that Christ is called more than ‘a god’…!?!?!
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