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Quote T. And I see that you dare not to answer those 20
questions.
Just sniffing around first.
And then hiding behind trees,like Adam did.
When God said: where are you;are you naked?wakeup.
SO NOW YOU THINKING YOU ARE GOD
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,04:24) W Quote T. And I see that you dare not to answer those 20
questions.
Just sniffing around first.
And then hiding behind trees,like Adam did.
When God said: where are you;are you naked?wakeup.
SO NOW YOU THINKING YOU ARE GOD
T.?? still no answer??
Running away again?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,06:59) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,06:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2013,11:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,15:47) Thank you Gene B. Christians refuse to mention those scriptures in church,
because they simply dont know how to back it up.
Yeah, I bet it's pretty hard to conform non-believers with the statement: The God we want you to worship is the reason for all the evil in the world – because He is the one who created it.
Mike B.Just some straight answers please:
1.Who created darkness/night?
2.Who created lucifer/the axe?
3.Who created the destroyer?
4.Who created the tempter?
5.Who created flesh that it could die?
6.Did not good and evil comes out of the mouth of God?
7. Who created all the plagues in Egypt?
8.Who created the deaf and the dumb?
9.Who is in charge of everything since creation?
10.Who's hand caused the destruction of sodom?
11.Who opened up the earth to cause all them against Moses
to fall in?
11.Who created the lake of fire?
12.Who created volcanoes?
13.Who created the big flood, and floods,cyclones?
14. Who created toxic chemicals?
15. Who created the virus,and plagues?
16. Who created love and hate?
17. Who created asteroids and meteors?
18. Who created sunflares?
19. John the babtist lost his head: who was in charge at
all time? God had the power over Herod to stop it.
Why did he not?
20. Who killed the husband and wife blaspheming the Holy
spirit?God has the authority and power to stop all those things from happening.Why did he NOT? He is the one in charge,at all time since the beginning.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the creator and has authority over all things but moral evil never comes out of his mouth.
Kerwin.Lamentations 3:38
***Out of the mouth of the most High***
proceedeth not evil and good?Are you going to explain the truth away,by going to some translations and some other meaning of the mouth of God?
Just to satisfy your soul?wakeup.
Wakeup,It is telling us both evil and good do not come out of God's mouth that is why the word “not” is there. You probably just missed the not though you should know God is not a fountain that puts forth both freshwater and saltwater.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,00:10) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,04:24) W Quote T. And I see that you dare not to answer those 20
questions.
Just sniffing around first.
And then hiding behind trees,like Adam did.
When God said: where are you;are you naked?wakeup.
SO NOW YOU THINKING YOU ARE GOD
T.?? still no answer??
Running away again?wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,06:59) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,06:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2013,11:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,15:47) Thank you Gene B. Christians refuse to mention those scriptures in church,
because they simply dont know how to back it up.
Yeah, I bet it's pretty hard to conform non-believers with the statement: The God we want you to worship is the reason for all the evil in the world – because He is the one who created it.
Mike B.Just some straight answers please:
1.Who created darkness/night?
2.Who created lucifer/the axe?
3.Who created the destroyer?
4.Who created the tempter?
5.Who created flesh that it could die?
6.Did not good and evil comes out of the mouth of God?
7. Who created all the plagues in Egypt?
8.Who created the deaf and the dumb?
9.Who is in charge of everything since creation?
10.Who's hand caused the destruction of sodom?
11.Who opened up the earth to cause all them against Moses
to fall in?
11.Who created the lake of fire?
12.Who created volcanoes?
13.Who created the big flood, and floods,cyclones?
14. Who created toxic chemicals?
15. Who created the virus,and plagues?
16. Who created love and hate?
17. Who created asteroids and meteors?
18. Who created sunflares?
19. John the babtist lost his head: who was in charge at
all time? God had the power over Herod to stop it.
Why did he not?
20. Who killed the husband and wife blaspheming the Holy
spirit?God has the authority and power to stop all those things from happening.Why did he NOT? He is the one in charge,at all time since the beginning.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the creator and has authority over all things but moral evil never comes out of his mouth.
Kerwin.Lamentations 3:38
***Out of the mouth of the most High***
proceedeth not evil and good?Are you going to explain the truth away,by going to some translations and some other meaning of the mouth of God?
Just to satisfy your soul?wakeup.
Wakeup,It is telling us both evil and good do not come out of God's mouth that is why the word “not” is there. You probably just missed the not though you should know God is not a fountain that puts forth both freshwater and saltwater.
Kerwin.That does not work comparing it with the rest.
19 of them,so try again.(truth or tradition/the truth that no one gets around).wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,05:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,00:10) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,04:24) W Quote T. And I see that you dare not to answer those 20
questions.
Just sniffing around first.
And then hiding behind trees,like Adam did.
When God said: where are you;are you naked?wakeup.
SO NOW YOU THINKING YOU ARE GOD
T.?? still no answer??
Running away again?wakeup.
T.I can see you running with your
tail between your legs.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,04:37) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,06:59) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,06:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2013,11:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,15:47) Thank you Gene B. Christians refuse to mention those scriptures in church,
because they simply dont know how to back it up.
Yeah, I bet it's pretty hard to conform non-believers with the statement: The God we want you to worship is the reason for all the evil in the world – because He is the one who created it.
Mike B.Just some straight answers please:
1.Who created darkness/night?
2.Who created lucifer/the axe?
3.Who created the destroyer?
4.Who created the tempter?
5.Who created flesh that it could die?
6.Did not good and evil comes out of the mouth of God?
7. Who created all the plagues in Egypt?
8.Who created the deaf and the dumb?
9.Who is in charge of everything since creation?
10.Who's hand caused the destruction of sodom?
11.Who opened up the earth to cause all them against Moses
to fall in?
11.Who created the lake of fire?
12.Who created volcanoes?
13.Who created the big flood, and floods,cyclones?
14. Who created toxic chemicals?
15. Who created the virus,and plagues?
16. Who created love and hate?
17. Who created asteroids and meteors?
18. Who created sunflares?
19. John the babtist lost his head: who was in charge at
all time? God had the power over Herod to stop it.
Why did he not?
20. Who killed the husband and wife blaspheming the Holy
spirit?God has the authority and power to stop all those things from happening.Why did he NOT? He is the one in charge,at all time since the beginning.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the creator and has authority over all things but moral evil never comes out of his mouth.
Kerwin.Lamentations 3:38
***Out of the mouth of the most High***
proceedeth not evil and good?Are you going to explain the truth away,by going to some translations and some other meaning of the mouth of God?
Just to satisfy your soul?wakeup.
Wakeup,It is telling us both evil and good do not come out of God's mouth that is why the word “not” is there. You probably just missed the not though you should know God is not a fountain that puts forth both freshwater and saltwater.
Kerwin.That does not work comparing it with the rest.
19 of them,so try again.(truth or tradition/the truth that no one gets around).wakeup.
Wakeup,What?
I referenced James 3:12 but I have no clue about what you are speaking if comparing Lamentations 3:38 to. I do know you erroneous interpretation of the AKJV's versions words accuse God of violating his doing just what James is saying and so being short of perfect.
You are not even going by the words of the AKJV which clearly state just the opposite of what you say. You are clearly not understanding the language it is written in.
Once again the AKJV using modern sentence structure states evil and good do not proceedeth out out of the mouth of the mouth of the Most High.
In short it literally does not say what you think it does.
Out of the mouth of God PROCEEDETH NOT evil and good.
K
Wakeup is right in what he say about lament 3:38
But like always he does not quote the context and so deceive the listeners,
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,12:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2013,04:37) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2013,06:59) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,06:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,14:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2013,11:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,15:47) Thank you Gene B. Christians refuse to mention those scriptures in church,
because they simply dont know how to back it up.
Yeah, I bet it's pretty hard to conform non-believers with the statement: The God we want you to worship is the reason for all the evil in the world – because He is the one who created it.
Mike B.Just some straight answers please:
1.Who created darkness/night?
2.Who created lucifer/the axe?
3.Who created the destroyer?
4.Who created the tempter?
5.Who created flesh that it could die?
6.Did not good and evil comes out of the mouth of God?
7. Who created all the plagues in Egypt?
8.Who created the deaf and the dumb?
9.Who is in charge of everything since creation?
10.Who's hand caused the destruction of sodom?
11.Who opened up the earth to cause all them against Moses
to fall in?
11.Who created the lake of fire?
12.Who created volcanoes?
13.Who created the big flood, and floods,cyclones?
14. Who created toxic chemicals?
15. Who created the virus,and plagues?
16. Who created love and hate?
17. Who created asteroids and meteors?
18. Who created sunflares?
19. John the babtist lost his head: who was in charge at
all time? God had the power over Herod to stop it.
Why did he not?
20. Who killed the husband and wife blaspheming the Holy
spirit?God has the authority and power to stop all those things from happening.Why did he NOT? He is the one in charge,at all time since the beginning.
wakeup.
Wakeup,God is the creator and has authority over all things but moral evil never comes out of his mouth.
Kerwin.Lamentations 3:38
***Out of the mouth of the most High***
proceedeth not evil and good?Are you going to explain the truth away,by going to some translations and some other meaning of the mouth of God?
Just to satisfy your soul?wakeup.
Wakeup,It is telling us both evil and good do not come out of God's mouth that is why the word “not” is there. You probably just missed the not though you should know God is not a fountain that puts forth both freshwater and saltwater.
Kerwin.That does not work comparing it with the rest.
19 of them,so try again.(truth or tradition/the truth that no one gets around).wakeup.
Wakeup,What?
I referenced James 3:12 but I have no clue about what you are speaking if comparing Lamentations 3:38 to. I do know you erroneous interpretation of the AKJV's versions words accuse God of violating his doing just what James is saying and so being short of perfect.
You are not even going by the words of the AKJV which clearly state just the opposite of what you say. You are clearly not understanding the language it is written in.
Once again the AKJV using modern sentence structure states evil and good do not proceedeth out out of the mouth of the mouth of the Most High.
In short it literally does not say what you think it does.
Out of the mouth of God PROCEEDETH NOT evil and good.
Kerwin.You are refusing to look upon the question mark.??
This scripture is a question. Not a statement:
It is you that dont understand.Out of the mouth of of the most high,proceeded not evil and good??
I created the waister to destroy.
I kill and make alive.Try again.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,18:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2013,02:03) Wakeup, I will go through each and every question you asked, and give a DIRECT and HONEST answer to it………… on one condition:
With each ANSWER I give, I will ask a question of my own which YOU must answer DIRECTLY and HONESTLY.
Deal?
I'll give you a idea of what I'm saying:
1.Who created darkness/night?
Jehovah created darkness/night. Is darkness/night “evil” for some reason?
And then YOU must answer my bolded question.
Are you game for this or not?
Mike B.Go for it.
wakeup.
Okay. Start with an answer to the first one in the quote box above.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,02:08) K Wakeup is right in what he say about lament 3:38
Agreed. The “not” is not there to signify that one of the things DOES proceed out of God's mouth, and the other one DOESN'T.It is saying, “Don't BOTH OF THESE THINGS proceed out of God's mouth?”
Of course, “evil” is a faulty KJV translation in that verse, but I'll address that after Wakeup answers my question concerning the first one on his list.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2013,22:49) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,02:08) K Wakeup is right in what he say about lament 3:38
Agreed. The “not” is not there to signify that one of the things DOES proceed out of God's mouth, and the other one DOESN'T.It is saying, “Don't BOTH OF THESE THINGS proceed out of God's mouth?”
Of course, “evil” is a faulty KJV translation in that verse, but I'll address that after Wakeup answers my question concerning the first one on his list.
Mikegood,
take notice of this ;
ISA 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!LK 18:19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Wakeup and journey, Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Hi Mike,
My answer is NO. I do not acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX which is another name for the Greek Septuagint.The translators of all modern Bibles, including the New King James, use the Septuagint along with other texts in translating the Bible. They claim that the Septuagint contains true readings not found in the preserved Hebrew text.
The Letter of Aristeas is a hoax that doesn't even fit the time period in which it claims to have been written. And since the other ancient writers merely add to this story, it is clear that the story itself of a pre-Christian Septuagint is a fraud. Even critical textual scholars admit that the letter is a hoax. Yet they persist in quoting the Letter of Aristeas as proof of the existence of the Septuagint before Christ.
The Septuagint is claimed to exist at the time of Jesus and the apostles, and that they quoted from it instead of the preserved Hebrew text. This story has been passed around for centuries. But is it the truth? Was this Septuagint really written before the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus and His apostles? Did they quote it? Was it really inspired by God? And if the story is a fake, why make up the story? Is there another reason to get people to use (or believe in) the Septuagint?
New Testament evidence
Many scholars claim that Christ and his apostles used the Septuagint, preferring it above the preserved Hebrew text found in the temple and synagogues. But if the Greek Septuagint was the Bible Jesus used, he would not have said,Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Why would Jesus not have said this? Because the jot is a Hebrew letter, and the tittle is a small mark to distinguish between Hebrew letters. If Jesus used the Greek Septuagint, His scriptures would not have contained the jot and tittle. He obviously used the Hebrew scriptures!
In addition, Jesus only mentioned the scripture text in two ways, (1) “The Law and the Prophets” and (2) “The Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms”:
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
The Hebrews divide their Bible into three parts: the Law, the Prophets and the Writings. Jesus clearly referred to this. The Septuagint had no such division. In fact, it contains Apocryphal books interspersed throughout the Old Testament. The sequence is so hopelessly mixed up that Jesus could not possibly have been referring to it!
mikeboll64,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19? Mike, I have no idea what you are talking about. Let's look at those verses.
KJV
Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are are bound.Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias, And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the LORD.Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them at were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
NOW LETS LOOK AT YOUR BIBLE VERSION?
NEW WORLD TRANSLATION
ISAIAH 61:1 The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,ISAIAH 61:2 To proclaim the year of Jehovah’s goodwill*
LUKE 4:18 Jehovah’s* spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor. He sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,+
LUKE 4:19 to preach Jehovah’s* acceptable year.”LUKE 4:20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed on him.
What's your point Mike?
If Jesus is reading directly from the Old testament scriptures, then why would he not quote exactly as it was written In Isaiah?
Your version in Matthew is also different from that of Isaiah?So this can only mean one thing. Jesus did not quote the OT from Word to Word. He found the place in the OT prophesying him, then spoke as the spirit led him, speaking of his mission which does not contradict, and giving us some more knowledge in the process, hidden things.
Isaiah 61:1…because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek…
Luke 4:18 …because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;We learn that in Isaiah, they did not know that “good tidings” was going to be the “gospel”,
and that the “meek” will also later be referred to as “the poor” in the NT. The simple. This is who he came for. Not the rich arrogant, or kings, or the scholars, but the simple.Isaiah 61:1 …he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted
Luke 4:18 …he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted“Bind up” means “heal” and was he was sent to heal the “broken hearted”, which can be anyone who wants their broken heart healed by Christ.
Broken Hearted is mentioned in the NWT in Isaiah, but why is it not mentioned in Luke? Why say crushed ones? Anyone can be crushed. Evil people can be crushed, but Broken Hearted is a strong word, and pertains to sorrow of the heart.Isaiah 61:1 …to proclaim liberty to the captives,…
Luke 4:18 … to preach deliverance to the captives,Isaiah 61:1 …and the opening of the prison to them that are are bound.
Luke 4:18 …and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,So something extra was added in here, that they did not know he would do in the OT, and that was to heal the blind, his miracles.
I think the KJV in Luke has cited Isaiah perfectly, with little added info (from God) not the translators, and the NWT has little info omitted, re the broken hearted.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 25 2013,08:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19? Mike, I have no idea what you are talking about. Let's look at those verses.
KJV
Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives,. and the opening of the prison to them that are are boundIsaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias, And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the LORD.Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them at were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Journey,Luke 4:18 omits the word “God” from the title “the Lord God” that is in Isaiah 61:1.
Luke 4:18 replaced the words “the Lord” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the pronoun “he”.
Luke 4:18 replaced the words “good tidings” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”gospel”.
Luke 4:18 replaced the word “meek” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”poor”.
Luke 4:18 replaced the words “bind up” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”heal”.
Luke 4:18 replaced the word “liberty” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”deliverance”.
Luke 4:18 omits the phrase “and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;” that is in Isaiah 61:1.
Luke 4:18 adds the phrase “and recovering of sight to the blind” that is not in Isaiah 61:1.
Luke 4:18 adds the phrase ” to set at liberty them that are bruised” that is not in Isaiah 61:1.That is 9 changes between the the KJV says the quoted verse is and what the KJV says Jesus quoted. Three of them are phrases that are either added or omitted.
Note: Journey Let me know Luke 4:20 was the wrong label I have replaced it with Luke 4:18 which is the right one.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2013,16:06) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 25 2013,08:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19? Mike, I have no idea what you are talking about. Let's look at those verses.
KJV
Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives,. and the opening of the prison to them that are are boundIsaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias, And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the LORD.Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them at were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Journey,Luke 4:20 omits the word “God” from the title “the Lord God” that is in Isaiah 61:1.
Luke 4:20 replaced the words “the Lord” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the pronoun “he”.
Luke 4:20 replaced the words “good tidings” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”gospel”.
Luke 4:20 replaced the word “meek” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”poor”.
Luke 4:20 replaced the words “bind up” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”heal”.
Luke 4:20 replaced the word “liberty” that is in Isaiah 61:1 with the word”deliverance”.
Luke 4:20 omits the phrase “and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;” that is in Isaiah 61:1.
Luke 4:20 adds the phrase “and recovering of sight to the blind” that is not in Isaiah 61:1.
Luke 4:20 adds the phrase ” to set at liberty them that are bruised” that is not in Isaiah 61:1.That is 9 changes between the the KJV says the quoted verse is and what the KJV says Jesus quoted. Three of them are phrases that are either added or omitted.
Kerwin,If you don't mind, I only wish to discuss this with Mike. He has been waiting for me to answer him for a while now.
I read what you said, and you even quoted the wrong verse. If there are changes, then they are not made by the KJV, but the newer versions who are telling all the lies.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 25 2013,14:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote Wakeup and journey, Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Hi Mike,
My answer is NO. I do not acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX which is another name for the Greek Septuagint.The translators of all modern Bibles, including the New King James, use the Septuagint along with other texts in translating the Bible. They claim that the Septuagint contains true readings not found in the preserved Hebrew text.
The Letter of Aristeas is a hoax that doesn't even fit the time period in which it claims to have been written. And since the other ancient writers merely add to this story, it is clear that the story itself of a pre-Christian Septuagint is a fraud. Even critical textual scholars admit that the letter is a hoax. Yet they persist in quoting the Letter of Aristeas as proof of the existence of the Septuagint before Christ.
The Septuagint is claimed to exist at the time of Jesus and the apostles, and that they quoted from it instead of the preserved Hebrew text. This story has been passed around for centuries. But is it the truth? Was this Septuagint really written before the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus and His apostles? Did they quote it? Was it really inspired by God? And if the story is a fake, why make up the story? Is there another reason to get people to use (or believe in) the Septuagint?
New Testament evidence
Many scholars claim that Christ and his apostles used the Septuagint, preferring it above the preserved Hebrew text found in the temple and synagogues. But if the Greek Septuagint was the Bible Jesus used, he would not have said,Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Why would Jesus not have said this? Because the jot is a Hebrew letter, and the tittle is a small mark to distinguish between Hebrew letters. If Jesus used the Greek Septuagint, His scriptures would not have contained the jot and tittle. He obviously used the Hebrew scriptures!
In addition, Jesus only mentioned the scripture text in two ways, (1) “The Law and the Prophets” and (2) “The Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms”:
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
The Hebrews divide their Bible into three parts: the Law, the Prophets and the Writings. Jesus clearly referred to this. The Septuagint had no such division. In fact, it contains Apocryphal books interspersed throughout the Old Testament. The sequence is so hopelessly mixed up that Jesus could not possibly have been referring to it!
Journey, I don't mean to interrupt here, but do you know what plagiarism is? It is copying/attempting to pass off another authors work as if it is ones own, without giving credit. In some cases it can be illegal. So always make sure to state that you are quoting another persons work. It is the respectable and proper thing to do.
There is more that can be learnt about plagiarism on the net. ok.
Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 25 2013,11:50) Are you referring to the scionofzion site?
tigger2,Who are you talking to?
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