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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,08:46) Wakeup, God uses the tools he chooses to whether or not he has to. If he want to whisper in someones ear then I am not fool enough to say no.
He certainly must do something as no one can go to Jesus unless God draws them no matter how much they read Scripture.
If God chooses to let Scriptures be flawed then who am tell him no. He does what he will and it is righteous. All I know is every translation I know of was translated by heretics. They are false teachers. The fact there are flaws does not bother me but rather I am amazed their number is so low. My hypothesis is that the church is still hiding in her place.
God does an excellent job correcting me with Scriptures and in other ways.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 19 2013,04:21) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,08:46) Wakeup, God uses the tools he chooses to whether or not he has to. If he want to whisper in someones ear then I am not fool enough to say no.
He certainly must do something as no one can go to Jesus unless God draws them no matter how much they read Scripture.
If God chooses to let Scriptures be flawed then who am tell him no. He does what he will and it is righteous. All I know is every translation I know of was translated by heretics. They are false teachers. The fact there are flaws does not bother me but rather I am amazed their number is so low. My hypothesis is that the church is still hiding in her place.
God does an excellent job correcting me with Scriptures and in other ways.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Journey,Yes, That is what I am saying.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,10:16) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 19 2013,04:21) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,08:46) Wakeup, God uses the tools he chooses to whether or not he has to. If he want to whisper in someones ear then I am not fool enough to say no.
He certainly must do something as no one can go to Jesus unless God draws them no matter how much they read Scripture.
If God chooses to let Scriptures be flawed then who am tell him no. He does what he will and it is righteous. All I know is every translation I know of was translated by heretics. They are false teachers. The fact there are flaws does not bother me but rather I am amazed their number is so low. My hypothesis is that the church is still hiding in her place.
God does an excellent job correcting me with Scriptures and in other ways.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Journey,Yes, That is what I am saying.
Kerwin,The Words are in the scriptures. This is what we follow and this is what we teach.
We teach that God created evil, and you say no he didn't.
We say God preserved his Word for us, which means that there is only ONE translation, in the ONE BOOK that is the Pure Word of God, but you and many say that ALL TRANSLATIONS ARE CORRUPT.
WE ARE WITNESSES THAT GOD'S WORD IS PURE, UNDEFILED, AND AVAILABLE TO US ALL, EVEN TO THIS VERY DAY SO THAT WE CAN SEEK HIM, AND FIND OUT EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO SHOW US, EVEN THE HIDDEN THINGS.So it's not really what you are saying. If you are feeding off a corrupt version, then you are not feeding off the flesh of Christ. Get it?
You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Journey,
Quote The Words are in the scriptures. This is what we follow and this is what we teach. Do you understand what God means when he says that there are some who diligently study Scriptures because they think salvation is there but they do not come to his Son?
I ask because your words make it sound like you are one of those that believe salvation comes by studying the Scriptures. I disagree as it comes instead by believing the truth in such a way you are compelled by that belief into doing what is true.
It is not the words that important but the truth and God is the only one that can reveal that not the AKJV translators or anyone else.
Journey,
Quote We say God preserved his Word for us, which means that there is only ONE translation, in the ONE BOOK that is the Pure Word of God, but you and many say that ALL TRANSLATIONS ARE CORRUPT. All the English translations are mixture of good and bad translations. I strive interpret whatever they say so that it is true even if it is a bad translation. I see no reason to argue over words but I do object to sinful deception even if it is self deception.
“You say” tells us where that opinion comes from but I also see you believing anyone that tells your itching ears what they want to hear no matter how outrageous the claim. You also refuse to believe what do not want to hear even if the evidence supporting it is overwhelming. That comes from fear and a lack of trust in God. The evil one tempts me with that same fear and lack of trust in God.
I don't bury my head in the sand and I don't deny the truth as I started out from the position kept his writing 100% pure. What I have seen since then has brought me to a new belief. As said previously, I suspicion this is because the woman is still in her place.
Revelation 12:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Kerwin.
Please explain these scriptures you quoted?
If you can.Revelation 12:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59) You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
It seems you guys either make claims or ask a question; and then when I answer you with facts and scriptures, you ignore my posts.
This pattern started with the “God created evil” point you guys made. I showed you that the word translated as “evil” by the KJV is also translated as “adversity”, “calamity”, and other things by those same KJV translators elsewhere in scripture – which PROVES that the word didn't HAVE TO BE translated as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Were you ever going to DIRECTLY address this FACT?
And how about the temple prostitutes? Were either of you ever going to DIRECTLY address the FACT that the Hebrew words specifically refer to “TEMPLE prostitutes” in Deuteronomy 23:17 – and NOT to regular old “whores” and “sodomites”?
Come on guys. Am I doing all this for nothing? How about a little acknowledgment that you've at least READ what I took my time to post?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,04:28) Kerwin. Please explain these scriptures you quoted?
If you can.Revelation 12:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
wakeup.
Wakeup,The woman is the reign of God on earth. She knows the truth and she gave birth to Christ.
The dragon is the one who tempted Eve to sin.
The dragon chased her into hide for a prophetic thousand two hundred and threescore days and there she is nourished.
She is also persecuted a second time after the first war in heaven is over.
From that she flees to her place once more to be nourished “for a time, and times, and half a time”
After that the serpent wars on the remnant of her children that remain.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59) You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
It seems you guys either make claims or ask a question; and then when I answer you with facts and scriptures, you ignore my posts.
This pattern started with the “God created evil” point you guys made. I showed you that the word translated as “evil” by the KJV is also translated as “adversity”, “calamity”, and other things by those same KJV translators elsewhere in scripture – which PROVES that the word didn't HAVE TO BE translated as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Were you ever going to DIRECTLY address this FACT?
And how about the temple prostitutes? Were either of you ever going to DIRECTLY address the FACT that the Hebrew words specifically refer to “TEMPLE prostitutes” in Deuteronomy 23:17 – and NOT to regular old “whores” and “sodomites”?
Come on guys. Am I doing all this for nothing? How about a little acknowledgment that you've at least READ what I took my time to post?
Hi MikeI am not hiding. I have had a lot going on my house this past week. My visitors have left this morning, and now my husband has just returned and needing my full attention, not to mention he despises me going on heaven net. I am jumping on quickly here and there when I have my coffee breaks, and will give you your answers shortly.
I need to make sure that I can concentrate without distractions and fully understand when I reply, and that my facts are sure.So you are not wasting your time, but to answer takes time because everything I research opens up a can of worms and it goes on and on and on
So be patient with me please, and as Arnie says, “I'll be back” lol.Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,11:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,04:28) Kerwin. Please explain these scriptures you quoted?
If you can.Revelation 12:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
wakeup.
Wakeup,The woman is the reign of God on earth. She knows the truth and she gave birth to Christ.
The dragon is the one who tempted Eve to sin.
The dragon chased her into hide for a prophetic thousand two hundred and threescore days and there she is nourished.
She is also persecuted a second time after the first war in heaven is over.
From that she flees to her place once more to be nourished “for a time, and times, and half a time”
After that the serpent wars on the remnant of her children that remain.
Kerwin.Your explanation has some truth in it.
You were not clear enough.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59) You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
It seems you guys either make claims or ask a question; and then when I answer you with facts and scriptures, you ignore my posts.
This pattern started with the “God created evil” point you guys made. I showed you that the word translated as “evil” by the KJV is also translated as “adversity”, “calamity”, and other things by those same KJV translators elsewhere in scripture – which PROVES that the word didn't HAVE TO BE translated as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Were you ever going to DIRECTLY address this FACT?
And how about the temple prostitutes? Were either of you ever going to DIRECTLY address the FACT that the Hebrew words specifically refer to “TEMPLE prostitutes” in Deuteronomy 23:17 – and NOT to regular old “whores” and “sodomites”?
Come on guys. Am I doing all this for nothing? How about a little acknowledgment that you've at least READ what I took my time to post?
Mike B.You did not answer my questions when you dont feel like it.
Please answer this time.1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
*********Quote
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?.
If that was the case; then that part must have been
translated correct. That does not proof that the rest would
be perfect.wakeup.
[/QUOTE]
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59) You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
It seems you guys either make claims or ask a question; and then when I answer you with facts and scriptures, you ignore my posts.
This pattern started with the “God created evil” point you guys made. I showed you that the word translated as “evil” by the KJV is also translated as “adversity”, “calamity”, and other things by those same KJV translators elsewhere in scripture – which PROVES that the word didn't HAVE TO BE translated as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Were you ever going to DIRECTLY address this FACT?
And how about the temple prostitutes? Were either of you ever going to DIRECTLY address the FACT that the Hebrew words specifically refer to “TEMPLE prostitutes” in Deuteronomy 23:17 – and NOT to regular old “whores” and “sodomites”?
Come on guys. Am I doing all this for nothing? How about a little acknowledgment that you've at least READ what I took my time to post?
Mike B.You did not answer my questions when you dont feel like it.
Please answer this time.1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
*********Quote
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?.
If that was the case; then that part must have been
translated correct. That does not proof that the rest would
be perfect.wakeup.
[/QUOTE]
WI am surprised that after 40 years of study you did not get it ,the only reason I can see for it ,is that you are stuk on the KJV, but even then you should have cach it by the true understanding from the entire scriptures and their relation with GOD,
But you did not get it ,this means you have to read the scriptures again,to find that answer,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,17:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59) You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
It seems you guys either make claims or ask a question; and then when I answer you with facts and scriptures, you ignore my posts.
This pattern started with the “God created evil” point you guys made. I showed you that the word translated as “evil” by the KJV is also translated as “adversity”, “calamity”, and other things by those same KJV translators elsewhere in scripture – which PROVES that the word didn't HAVE TO BE translated as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Were you ever going to DIRECTLY address this FACT?
And how about the temple prostitutes? Were either of you ever going to DIRECTLY address the FACT that the Hebrew words specifically refer to “TEMPLE prostitutes” in Deuteronomy 23:17 – and NOT to regular old “whores” and “sodomites”?
Come on guys. Am I doing all this for nothing? How about a little acknowledgment that you've at least READ what I took my time to post?
Mike B.You did not answer my questions when you dont feel like it.
Please answer this time.1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
*********Quote
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?.
If that was the case; then that part must have been
translated correct. That does not proof that the rest would
be perfect.wakeup.
Quote
WI am surprised that after 40 years of study you did not get it ,the only reason I can see for it ,is that you are stuk on the KJV, but even then you should have cach it by the true understanding from the entire scriptures and their relation with GOD,
But you did not get it ,this means you have to read the scriptures again,to find that answer,
T.I am stuck with the kjv,because I believe, that is the book preserved by God.
You can study all your bibles and get confused.
But you love confusion.Why dont you answer my post to Mike?
1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
*********wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,17:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59) You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
It seems you guys either make claims or ask a question; and then when I answer you with facts and scriptures, you ignore my posts.
This pattern started with the “God created evil” point you guys made. I showed you that the word translated as “evil” by the KJV is also translated as “adversity”, “calamity”, and other things by those same KJV translators elsewhere in scripture – which PROVES that the word didn't HAVE TO BE translated as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Were you ever going to DIRECTLY address this FACT?
And how about the temple prostitutes? Were either of you ever going to DIRECTLY address the FACT that the Hebrew words specifically refer to “TEMPLE prostitutes” in Deuteronomy 23:17 – and NOT to regular old “whores” and “sodomites”?
Come on guys. Am I doing all this for nothing? How about a little acknowledgment that you've at least READ what I took my time to post?
Mike B.You did not answer my questions when you dont feel like it.
Please answer this time.1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
*********Quote
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?.
If that was the case; then that part must have been
translated correct. That does not proof that the rest would
be perfect.wakeup.
Quote
WI am surprised that after 40 years of study you did not get it ,the only reason I can see for it ,is that you are stuk on the KJV, but even then you should have cach it by the true understanding from the entire scriptures and their relation with GOD,
But you did not get it ,this means you have to read the scriptures again,to find that answer,
T.I am stuck with the kjv,because I believe, that is the book preserved by God.
You can study all your bibles and get confused.
But you love confusion.Why dont you answer my post to Mike?
1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
*********wakeup.
WMy scriptures do not have the word EVIL,but this only means that you call God Jehovah the father of evil, and the giver of evil,
So you must be a evil person to have such a evil thoughts ,,
My God Jehovah does not do evil or even think evil,
So it looks we have come to have two different creators ,yours and mine
Yours a producer of evil and mine a producer of loving things.
I stay with my God and father,and my version of the scriptures ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:21) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
If that was the case; then that part must have been
translated correct. That does not proof that the rest would
be perfect.
For [the KJV] Old Testament, the translators used a text originating in the editions of the Hebrew Rabbinic Bible by Daniel Bomberg (1524/5), but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation. For example, the Septuagint reading “They pierced my hands and my feet” was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes' reading of the Hebrew “like lions my hands and feet”).What about the LXX version of Psalm 22:16 – that the KJV used instead of the Hebrew MT? Is that part of the LXX also correct because the mere mortal men who translated the KJV used the LXX version for that verse?
Can we all at least acknowledge that there did in fact exist such a thing as the Septuagint now?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:21) 1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***? 2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
I've already addressed numbers 3 and 4. The “waster to destroy” could be anything from death itself, to the angel who killed 185,000 Assyrians, to the behemoth that God created. It could be the four angels who hold back the winds of destruction in Revelation. Or the angels who deliver the plagues in that same book. But none of that says “God created evil”.As for the other three verses you listed, the word translated as “evil” in the KJV is the Hebrew word “ra”. Now I'd really love a clear and direct response to the following, Wakeup:
Do you understand that the KJV translators rendered that same word as “adversity” 4 times, as “trouble” 10 times, and as “affliction” 6 times?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FACT? YES or NO?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,10:53) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,11:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,04:28) Kerwin. Please explain these scriptures you quoted?
If you can.Revelation 12:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
wakeup.
Wakeup,The woman is the reign of God on earth. She knows the truth and she gave birth to Christ.
The dragon is the one who tempted Eve to sin.
The dragon chased her into hide for a prophetic thousand two hundred and threescore days and there she is nourished.
She is also persecuted a second time after the first war in heaven is over.
From that she flees to her place once more to be nourished “for a time, and times, and half a time”
After that the serpent wars on the remnant of her children that remain.
Kerwin.Your explanation has some truth in it.
You were not clear enough.wakeup.
Wakeup,I avoided putting dates and times as doing so is presumptuous as it verges on attempting to foretell the date and time of Jesus return plus I don't know. I see no signs that the woman is not in hiding to this day.
Otherwise than that I do not know where you see my words as unclear.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,08:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:21) 1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***? 2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
I've already addressed numbers 3 and 4. The “waster to destroy” could be anything from death itself, to the angel who killed 185,000 Assyrians, to the behemoth that God created. It could be the four angels who hold back the winds of destruction in Revelation. Or the angels who deliver the plagues in that same book. But none of that says “God created evil”.As for the other three verses you listed, the word translated as “evil” in the KJV is the Hebrew word “ra”. Now I'd really love a clear and direct response to the following, Wakeup:
Do you understand that the KJV translators rendered that same word as “adversity” 4 times, as “trouble” 10 times, and as “affliction” 6 times?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FACT? YES or NO?
Mike B.Do you really think: when Jesus said seek; that you must go and set up your own way to seek?
You are free to do it your own way.
But where will you end up?wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,18:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 20 2013,17:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59) You guys remind me of Job's friends.
Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?
Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?
Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
It seems you guys either make claims or ask a question; and then when I answer you with facts and scriptures, you ignore my posts.
This pattern started with the “God created evil” point you guys made. I showed you that the word translated as “evil” by the KJV is also translated as “adversity”, “calamity”, and other things by those same KJV translators elsewhere in scripture – which PROVES that the word didn't HAVE TO BE translated as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7. Were you ever going to DIRECTLY address this FACT?
And how about the temple prostitutes? Were either of you ever going to DIRECTLY address the FACT that the Hebrew words specifically refer to “TEMPLE prostitutes” in Deuteronomy 23:17 – and NOT to regular old “whores” and “sodomites”?
Come on guys. Am I doing all this for nothing? How about a little acknowledgment that you've at least READ what I took my time to post?
Mike B.You did not answer my questions when you dont feel like it.
Please answer this time.1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
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Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?.
If that was the case; then that part must have been
translated correct. That does not proof that the rest would
be perfect.wakeup.
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WI am surprised that after 40 years of study you did not get it ,the only reason I can see for it ,is that you are stuk on the KJV, but even then you should have cach it by the true understanding from the entire scriptures and their relation with GOD,
But you did not get it ,this means you have to read the scriptures again,to find that answer,
T.I am stuck with the kjv,because I believe, that is the book preserved by God.
You can study all your bibles and get confused.
But you love confusion.Why dont you answer my post to Mike?
1].Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***?
2].Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***?
3]. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and ***I have created the waster to destroy***.
4].Isaiah 45:7 **I form the light, and create darkness**: I make peace, **and create evil**: **I the LORD do all these things**.
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WMy scriptures do not have the word EVIL,but this only means that you call God Jehovah the father of evil, and the giver of evil,
So you must be a evil person to have such a evil thoughts ,,
My God Jehovah does not do evil or even think evil,
So it looks we have come to have two different creators ,yours and mine
Yours a producer of evil and mine a producer of loving things.
I stay with my God and father,and my version of the scriptures ,
T.I have four scriptures;why not answer them all,
and see what your bible says.wakeup.
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Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?
If that was the case; then that part must have been
translated correct. That does not proof that the rest would
be perfect.
For [the KJV] Old Testament, the translators used a text originating in the editions of the Hebrew Rabbinic Bible by Daniel Bomberg (1524/5), but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation. For example, the Septuagint reading “They pierced my hands and my feet” was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes' reading of the Hebrew “like lions my hands and feet”).What about the LXX version of Psalm 22:16 – that the KJV used instead of the Hebrew MT? Is that part of the LXX also correct because the mere mortal men who translated the KJV used the LXX version for that verse?
Can we all at least acknowledge that there did in fact exist such a thing as the Septuagint now?
MikeB.You have so much faith in those books,
more even that the Word of God.
You dont believe in the *POWER* of the God you suppose
to worship.1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You have shown distrust in the scriptures.
wakeup.
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