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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,18:57) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,08:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,02:34) As you can see,there is much confusion in babylon.
(meaning confusion).Now all you can do is just take your pick which one suits you best.
The truth can not be found amongst confusion.**Believe in God and also his power to preserve His Word**.
He knows,his Word will be corrupted,He also knows how to preserve it.wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, I understand you are confused but I am trying to help you. I was referring to an event in Scripture where the high priest spoke the word of God even though he was literally justifying Jesus' death. Do you know what Scripture that is?
Kerwin.Is this what you are speaking of?
John 18:14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes.
He meant his words in one way but God meant them in another.
Mike, Wakeup, Journey,
Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,23:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
YOU GUYS SHOULD KNOW THAT GOD'S WORD WAS FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE NOT FOR THE RICH AND WEALTHY AND WELL EDUCATED ,WHO TOOK PROCESSION OF IT IN THE LATER DAYS ,SO IT WAS NORMAL TO TRANSLATING THE SCRIPTURES IN THE MOST COMMON LANGUAGE
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated,that it does not contradict the next scriptures.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:15) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated,that it does not contradict the next scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't believe anything until I have tested it's spirit to the point that my faith becomes strong. Those without the Spirit have twisted the letter of some passages but even many of them speak the truth to those that listen to the Spirit. There are a few that are twisted so badly that the truth cannot be spoken by them. Even then it may be my limitations the truth the Spirit chooses to speak by them.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:15) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated,that it does not contradict the next scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't believe anything until I have tested it's spirit to the point that my faith becomes strong. Those without the Spirit have twisted the letter of some passages but even many of them speak the truth to those that listen to the Spirit. There are a few that are twisted so badly that the truth cannot be spoken by them. Even then it may be my limitations the truth the Spirit chooses to speak by them.
Kerwin.Believe this:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,08:51) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:15) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated,that it does not contradict the next scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't believe anything until I have tested it's spirit to the point that my faith becomes strong. Those without the Spirit have twisted the letter of some passages but even many of them speak the truth to those that listen to the Spirit. There are a few that are twisted so badly that the truth cannot be spoken by them. Even then it may be my limitations the truth the Spirit chooses to speak by them.
Kerwin.Believe this:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
wakeup.
Wakeup,I believe that I just do not believe all that is in the English language is Scripture. I even am sure some in the some of the Koine Greek language one the English is translated from is not.
It is not important because God is a living God and his Spirit teaches those who seek his righteousness and his kingdom. Scripture is just a tool but the Spirit is necessary to use it correctly.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,18:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,08:51) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:15) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated,that it does not contradict the next scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't believe anything until I have tested it's spirit to the point that my faith becomes strong. Those without the Spirit have twisted the letter of some passages but even many of them speak the truth to those that listen to the Spirit. There are a few that are twisted so badly that the truth cannot be spoken by them. Even then it may be my limitations the truth the Spirit chooses to speak by them.
Kerwin.Believe this:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
wakeup.
Wakeup,I believe that I just do not believe all that is in the English language is Scripture. I even am sure some in the some of the Koine Greek language one the English is translated from is not.
It is not important because God is a living God and his Spirit teaches those who seek his righteousness and his kingdom. Scripture is just a tool but the Spirit is necessary to use it correctly.
Kerwin.1.How did you findout about Jesus and yhwh?
2.How was the gospel preached in all the earth?
3.Was not printed books and magazines distributed first.
4.Was not Jesus works and words put in print,so we can have
an idea what happened back then?
5.What would the world teach/be; without Jesus and the
bible?wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,13:06) Wakeup, I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Try the NWT, Kerwin. I have read it cover to cover, and it is a very good translation of the Hebrew and Greek words.But like all English Bibles, it too has some flaws.
(They've recently published a more modern English version that I hope to read soon. I already have it downloaded to my phone, and reference it occasionally.)
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,13:15) Kerwin. So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated, that it does not contradict the next scriptures.
Matthew 4:10 KJV
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Hebrews 1:6 KJV
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.You mean like that contradiction found in the KJV?
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,17:40) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,18:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,08:51) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:15) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated,that it does not contradict the next scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't believe anything until I have tested it's spirit to the point that my faith becomes strong. Those without the Spirit have twisted the letter of some passages but even many of them speak the truth to those that listen to the Spirit. There are a few that are twisted so badly that the truth cannot be spoken by them. Even then it may be my limitations the truth the Spirit chooses to speak by them.
Kerwin.Believe this:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
wakeup.
Wakeup,I believe that I just do not believe all that is in the English language is Scripture. I even am sure some in the some of the Koine Greek language one the English is translated from is not.
It is not important because God is a living God and his Spirit teaches those who seek his righteousness and his kingdom. Scripture is just a tool but the Spirit is necessary to use it correctly.
Kerwin.1.How did you findout about Jesus and yhwh?
2.How was the gospel preached in all the earth?
3.Was not printed books and magazines distributed first.
4.Was not Jesus works and words put in print,so we can have
an idea what happened back then?
5.What would the world teach/be; without Jesus and the
bible?wakeup.
Wakeup,The word was first preached. Printed documents came later and are a poor substitute for first hand accounts. You have to hear and understand the word in order to believe. The later takes the Spirit.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2013,02:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,13:15) Kerwin. So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated, that it does not contradict the next scriptures.
Matthew 4:10 KJV
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Hebrews 1:6 KJV
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.You mean like that contradiction found in the KJV?
MIkeB.At the moment you and the world see it as a contradiction.
This is why all the debates amongst the learned.Worship HIM:God was speaking to the angels.
HIM is also God's Word.
ALL authority is given to HIM; meaning HE can now act on his own.HE does not have to ask his father.
HE is as powerful as the owner.HE humbled himself, and was made flesh,and obeyed HIS father unto death.
God is all powerful,and HIS Word is also all powerful.
But HE still worshipped his God. HE did not get all
cocky as satan did, when God made him with all wisdom
and beauty.Let US make man in OUR image.
God speaking through his Word.(living Word).
There is ONE GOD and his own Word.(living Word).Worshipping God;and not His Word,can not happen.
Because we only can know God through His Word.
HIS Word only teaches us about the true God. Not mohamad's word nor any other word.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,07:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,17:40) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,18:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,08:51) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:39) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:15) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,06:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,01:00) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,05:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:53) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:04) Mike, Wakeup, Journey, Quote The earliest Christians actually had those oldest and best mss to learn from. Many saw the holy language as Latin and there was most likely a movement that saw translating Scripture to English and other languages to be of the devil.
Kerwin.I know that satan dont like the idea.
And this is his world,but who is in control.
Can the axe boast itself to him who is holding it?wakeup.
Wakeup,I am not sure what you are saying but I do know that humans like you have often regarded the traditional format of Scripture as holy. The ones who translated the Greek Textus Receptus series to the original AV of the KJV as well as those who used additional Greek manuscripts to update it a couple of centuries ago are more in line with Mike's thinking than yours.
The AV of the KJV is no longer understandable to the common man as it fails to use the common version of English they speak and understand.
Brother Kerwin.How do you know for sure that they all were guided by the Holy Spirit?
Could it be possible that they were guided by their own spirit?If they translate anything *in cotradiction* to other scriptures.
We should know that there is something wrong with their
spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.
Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated,that it does not contradict the next scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup,I don't believe anything until I have tested it's spirit to the point that my faith becomes strong. Those without the Spirit have twisted the letter of some passages but even many of them speak the truth to those that listen to the Spirit. There are a few that are twisted so badly that the truth cannot be spoken by them. Even then it may be my limitations the truth the Spirit chooses to speak by them.
Kerwin.Believe this:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
wakeup.
Wakeup,I believe that I just do not believe all that is in the English language is Scripture. I even am sure some in the some of the Koine Greek language one the English is translated from is not.
It is not important because God is a living God and his Spirit teaches those who seek his righteousness and his kingdom. Scripture is just a tool but the Spirit is necessary to use it correctly.
Kerwin.1.How did you findout about Jesus and yhwh?
2.How was the gospel preached in all the earth?
3.Was not printed books and magazines distributed first.
4.Was not Jesus works and words put in print,so we can have
an idea what happened back then?
5.What would the world teach/be; without Jesus and the
bible?wakeup.
Wakeup,The word was first preached. Printed documents came later and are a poor substitute for first hand accounts. You have to hear and understand the word in order to believe. The later takes the Spirit.
Kerwin.Jesus spoke face to face to his apostles.
They wrote down according to each apostle how they perceive things. But they also have been given the Holy spirit
to guide them.(pentecost). Do not ever forget this.As time goes; satan came and start sowing tares amongst the wheat. We must know which are the wheat, and which are the tares, with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is not with us in the flesh,but we have his spirit to guide us. Don't depend on any man's spirit. Jew nor Greek.
It's YOU, YOUR HEART, and GOD And HIS WORD.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2013,04:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2013,02:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,13:15) Kerwin. So why do you so easily believe in what they say?
Proof every scripture translated, that it does not contradict the next scriptures.
Matthew 4:10 KJV
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Hebrews 1:6 KJV
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.You mean like that contradiction found in the KJV?
MIkeB.At the moment you and the world see it as a contradiction.
This is why all the debates amongst the learned.Worship HIM:God was speaking to the angels.
HIM is also God's Word.
ALL authority is given to HIM; meaning HE can now act on his own.HE does not have to ask his father.
HE is as powerful as the owner.HE humbled himself, and was made flesh,and obeyed HIS father unto death.
God is all powerful,and HIS Word is also all powerful.
But HE still worshipped his God. HE did not get all
cocky as satan did, when God made him with all wisdom
and beauty.Let US make man in OUR image.
God speaking through his Word.(living Word).
There is ONE GOD and his own Word.(living Word).Worshipping God;and not His Word,can not happen.
Because we only can know God through His Word.
HIS Word only teaches us about the true God. Not mohamad's word nor any other word.wakeup.
wMike as given scriptures ,why is it that you do not like to respond with scriptures
i know you feel more comfortable with your own view ,even if it is not in scriptures right
yesQuote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,16:57) Worship HIM:God was speaking to the angels.
HIM is also God's Word.
ALL authority is given to HIM; meaning HE can now act on his own.HE does not have to ask his father.
So God, in telling the angels to worship God, said “Worship HIM“ – not “Worship ME“ ?Also, who gave the Word (who you think IS God Himself) all that authority? Who is it that gives “God” authority, Wakeup?
And who is this “Father of GOD” that you are talking about? Are you saying that GOD has a Father of His own?
Also, did you forget that it was the Word of God who told Satan to worship “the Lord your God”, and serve Him ONLY”?
Do you suppose it was really “God Himself”, as the Word, who told Satan those words? And if the Word who told these things to Satan was actually God Himself, then how could Satan even hope to tempt him?
Wakeup, your doctrine is following the path of the Trinitarians. You have also ended up with Jesus, the Son OF God, being God Himself – just like they did.
And just like with the Trinity Doctrine, the doctrine you are developing is loaded with nonsensical and unscriptural claims.
Just like their doctrine, yours calls for God Almighty Himself being crucified and killed by puny human beings. And then God, who was killed, somehow raises HIMSELF up from the dead, and exalts HIMSELF to the highest place in heaven……… at the right hand of “God”.
Come out of her, my friend.
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