The great deceit

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup.

w

sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ;

SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ;

YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES

[journey42]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,07:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup. w sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ; SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES

Pierre,

If Wakeup's question was invalid and not supported in the scriptures then how come you just answered it?

Just saying..

It is a good question, because one verse implies that there are two, and the other verse implies there is only one.
This needs explaining, to see who can understand why and explain why it is so. It's a brain teaser I know, but we have to learn how to answer, but do it with understanding.

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 29 2013,14:15)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,07:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup. w sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ; SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES Pierre, If Wakeup's question was invalid and not supported in the scriptures then how come you just answered it?     Just saying..   It is a good question, because one verse implies that there are two, and the other verse implies there is only one. This needs explaining, to see who can understand why and explain why it is so.  It's a brain teaser I know, but we have to learn how to answer, but do it with understanding.

j42

his question was invalid because I had already answered twice

not invalid to the scriptures ,

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,04:25)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 26 2013,23:21) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:14) GENE Quote Treccia………..This is a True rendition of scriptures, God plainly say there is “NO” God besides Him  It is an emphatic statement , also in 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is not idols in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. that is also an emphatic statement. My question to you is why do you follow Mike in his teachings of others Gods then? or do you “really” not go along with Mikes teaching on this. Do you now believe Jesus was a God also Pierre. Do you now still believe John 1:1 is really saying Jesus was a God of any kind or not? peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene 2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none ” LIKE YOU”, and there is no God BESIDES (EQUAL TO HIM)You, DT 10:17 “ For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. PS 136:2 Give thanks to the God of gods, For His loving kindness is everlasting. DA 2:47 The king answered Daniel and said, “Surely your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, since you have been able to reveal this mystery.” DA 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. WHO ARE THE GODS OVER WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE GOD OVER    WHO ARE THE GODS THAT CAN SPEAK MONSTROUS THINGS AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS PLEASE BE HONEST ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONS ;DO NOT RUN AWAY ;I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE SCRIPTURES NOR DID I QUOTED A PART OF A VERSE TO ALLOW SPECULATION ON IT , Terricca……….They are false God's made  in the minds of those who follow them I have explained this many times before Pierre, the word God has two meanings, One is Power, the other is what you “trust in”. Both thing have to be present to make a GOD of any thing, so yes there can be other God's to a person then the “ONE and only “TRUE” GOD, but that other God a  person has for him or herself is not a “TRUE” GOD but a “FALSE” God, why because Scripture plainly and emphatically say there is ONLY 'ONE' “TRUE” GOD I have quoted so many scriptures that back that up here over so many years, I even ask YOU and Mike to please explain 1 Cor 8:4 ….> we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. Do you believe that> Yes or NO, it is very important you do believe it Pierre. peacve and love to you and yours………………………..gene GENE again you do not answer my questions ;and yet it is God speaking ;why is it that you can not ,want not ,will not answer my questions ;

Terricca…………..I certainly did answer your Question , rather you believed it or not, is simply another question, However You or MIKE have NEVER answered this ONE , You only just keep diverting the issue, by saying I have not answered you questions when i have as an EXCUSE to not Answer this. Do you believe this scripture or NOT?

1 Cor 8:4………..> “we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD but “ONE”.

I has ask you both to answer this as for about ten times now but you both refuse to even begin to even address it. Playing dodge ball is just and excuse to not admit your both completely wrong about the Issue of other “true” Gods.

Why is that Pierre? , is it because it completely destroys yours and Mikes, false teachings, about other (true) God's? Come on you both present yourselves as scriptural “honest” people, well then answer this scripture. And don't give us this non -emphatic nonsense. That Mike uses to skirt around the truth.

peace and love………………..gene

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,07:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup. w sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ; SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES

Terra.

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SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ;

You just enjoy contradicting scriptures.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel,

****AND HIS REDEEMER****

the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 29 2013,23:36)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,07:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup. w sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ; SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES Terra. Quote SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; You just enjoy contradicting scriptures.  Isaiah 44:6   Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel,             ****AND HIS REDEEMER**** the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. wakeup.

WAKEUP

why are you adding words to scriptures

Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says—
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.NIV

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts(GOD ALMIGHTY); I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.KJV

scriptures says clearly ;KING AND REDEEMER

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,04:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 29 2013,23:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,07:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup. w sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ; SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES Terra. Quote SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; You just enjoy contradicting scriptures.  Isaiah 44:6   Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel,             ****AND HIS REDEEMER**** the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. wakeup. WAKEUP why are you adding words to scriptures Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.NIV Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts(GOD ALMIGHTY); I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.KJV scriptures says clearly ;KING AND REDEEMER

Terra.

Dump that bible of yours in the trash.
Its full of contradictions in it.
One scripture contradict the next scripture.
Get an old translation.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,00:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,04:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 29 2013,23:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,07:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup. w sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ; SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES Terra. Quote SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; You just enjoy contradicting scriptures.  Isaiah 44:6   Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel,             ****AND HIS REDEEMER**** the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. wakeup. WAKEUP why are you adding words to scriptures Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.NIV Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts(GOD ALMIGHTY); I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.KJV scriptures says clearly ;KING AND REDEEMER Terra. Dump that bible of yours in the trash. Its full of contradictions in it. One scripture contradict the next scripture. Get an old translation. wakeup.

w

that is not the way I see it ;you may fly on your clouds but i go with the Scriptures ;English,french ,German ,dutch ,whatever I can read ;

so your understanding is faulty

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 30 2013,03:40)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,04:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 26 2013,23:21) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:14) GENE Quote Treccia………..This is a True rendition of scriptures, God plainly say there is “NO” God besides Him  It is an emphatic statement , also in 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is not idols in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. that is also an emphatic statement. My question to you is why do you follow Mike in his teachings of others Gods then? or do you “really” not go along with Mikes teaching on this. Do you now believe Jesus was a God also Pierre. Do you now still believe John 1:1 is really saying Jesus was a God of any kind or not? peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene 2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none ” LIKE YOU”, and there is no God BESIDES (EQUAL TO HIM)You, DT 10:17 “ For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. PS 136:2 Give thanks to the God of gods, For His loving kindness is everlasting. DA 2:47 The king answered Daniel and said, “Surely your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, since you have been able to reveal this mystery.” DA 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. WHO ARE THE GODS OVER WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE GOD OVER    WHO ARE THE GODS THAT CAN SPEAK MONSTROUS THINGS AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS PLEASE BE HONEST ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONS ;DO NOT RUN AWAY ;I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE SCRIPTURES NOR DID I QUOTED A PART OF A VERSE TO ALLOW SPECULATION ON IT , Terricca……….They are false God's made  in the minds of those who follow them I have explained this many times before Pierre, the word God has two meanings, One is Power, the other is what you “trust in”. Both thing have to be present to make a GOD of any thing, so yes there can be other God's to a person then the “ONE and only “TRUE” GOD, but that other God a  person has for him or herself is not a “TRUE” GOD but a “FALSE” God, why because Scripture plainly and emphatically say there is ONLY 'ONE' “TRUE” GOD I have quoted so many scriptures that back that up here over so many years, I even ask YOU and Mike to please explain 1 Cor 8:4 ….> we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. Do you believe that> Yes or NO, it is very important you do believe it Pierre. peacve and love to you and yours………………………..gene GENE again you do not answer my questions ;and yet it is God speaking ;why is it that you can not ,want not ,will not answer my questions ; Terricca…………..I certainly did answer your Question , rather you believed it or not, is simply another question, However You or  MIKE  have NEVER answered this ONE , You only just keep diverting the issue, by saying I have not answered you questions when i have as an EXCUSE to not Answer this. Do you believe this scripture or NOT? 1 Cor 8:4………..> “we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD but “ONE”.   I has ask you both to answer this as for about ten times now but you both refuse to even begin to even address it. Playing dodge ball is just and excuse to not admit your both completely wrong about the Issue of other “true” Gods. Why is that Pierre? , is it because it completely destroys yours and Mikes, false teachings,  about other (true) God's? Come on you both present yourselves as scriptural “honest” people, well then answer this scripture. And don't give us this non -emphatic nonsense. That Mike uses to skirt around the truth. peace and love………………..gene

Gene b.

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1 Cor 8:4………..> “we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD but “ONE”.

.

Please quote scriptures correctly.

1 Corinthians 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols,

***we know that an idol is nothing in the world***

and that there is none other God but one.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2013,22:40)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,04:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 26 2013,23:21) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:14) GENE Quote Treccia………..This is a True rendition of scriptures, God plainly say there is “NO” God besides Him  It is an emphatic statement , also in 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is not idols in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. that is also an emphatic statement. My question to you is why do you follow Mike in his teachings of others Gods then? or do you “really” not go along with Mikes teaching on this. Do you now believe Jesus was a God also Pierre. Do you now still believe John 1:1 is really saying Jesus was a God of any kind or not? peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene 2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none ” LIKE YOU”, and there is no God BESIDES (EQUAL TO HIM)You, DT 10:17 “ For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. PS 136:2 Give thanks to the God of gods, For His loving kindness is everlasting. DA 2:47 The king answered Daniel and said, “Surely your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, since you have been able to reveal this mystery.” DA 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done. WHO ARE THE GODS OVER WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE GOD OVER    WHO ARE THE GODS THAT CAN SPEAK MONSTROUS THINGS AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS PLEASE BE HONEST ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONS ;DO NOT RUN AWAY ;I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE SCRIPTURES NOR DID I QUOTED A PART OF A VERSE TO ALLOW SPECULATION ON IT , Terricca……….They are false God's made  in the minds of those who follow them I have explained this many times before Pierre, the word God has two meanings, One is Power, the other is what you “trust in”. Both thing have to be present to make a GOD of any thing, so yes there can be other God's to a person then the “ONE and only “TRUE” GOD, but that other God a  person has for him or herself is not a “TRUE” GOD but a “FALSE” God, why because Scripture plainly and emphatically say there is ONLY 'ONE' “TRUE” GOD I have quoted so many scriptures that back that up here over so many years, I even ask YOU and Mike to please explain 1 Cor 8:4 ….> we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. Do you believe that> Yes or NO, it is very important you do believe it Pierre. peacve and love to you and yours………………………..gene GENE again you do not answer my questions ;and yet it is God speaking ;why is it that you can not ,want not ,will not answer my questions ; Terricca…………..I certainly did answer your Question , rather you believed it or not, is simply another question, However You or  MIKE  have NEVER answered this ONE , You only just keep diverting the issue, by saying I have not answered you questions when i have as an EXCUSE to not Answer this. Do you believe this scripture or NOT? 1 Cor 8:4………..> “we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD but “ONE”.   I has ask you both to answer this as for about ten times now but you both refuse to even begin to even address it. Playing dodge ball is just and excuse to not admit your both completely wrong about the Issue of other “true” Gods. Why is that Pierre? , is it because it completely destroys yours and Mikes, false teachings,  about other (true) God's? Come on you both present yourselves as scriptural “honest” people, well then answer this scripture. And don't give us this non -emphatic nonsense. That Mike uses to skirt around the truth. peace and love………………..gene

g

no you did not answer my questions ,you keep repeating yourself with the same partial verse and ignore all other ;what's the point to talk if that is all you going to do ,

I do not disagree with any of the scriptures BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOD DOES NOT TALK ONE WAY AND THEN ANNUL WITH THE NEXT TALK.GOD IS CONSTANT AND NEVER CHANGES ;SO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS WITHOUT BRAKING YOUR QUOTED SCRIPTURE,

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,09:06)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,00:06) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2013,04:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 29 2013,23:36) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2013,07:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:03) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41) Terra. My question which you can not answer, but blame me for asking the question. Instead accusing me for asking the question. Just clarify the mystery. 1.The redeemer is God.(agree). 2.The Lord king of israel is?? 3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.   I am the first and the last. wakeup. W Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God, Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer. Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last : This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work, My question is still not answered. Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and his redeemer**. Two are speaking here. The king of israel *and* his redeemer. 1.Who is the king of israel? 2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel? The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host. There should be two? Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last. (beside me there is no God). wakeup. w sorry but the king of Israel is God almighty and the redeemer of Israel is also God almighty ; SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; YOUR QUESTION IS INVALID AND NOT SUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURES Terra. Quote SO THE KING HAS NO REDEEMER ;BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME BEING ; You just enjoy contradicting scriptures.  Isaiah 44:6   Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel,             ****AND HIS REDEEMER**** the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. wakeup. WAKEUP why are you adding words to scriptures Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.NIV Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts(GOD ALMIGHTY); I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.KJV scriptures says clearly ;KING AND REDEEMER Terra. Dump that bible of yours in the trash. Its full of contradictions in it. One scripture contradict the next scripture. Get an old translation. wakeup. w     that is not the way I see it ;you may fly on your clouds but i go with the Scriptures ;English,french ,German ,dutch ,whatever I can read ; so your understanding is faulty

Is ot only possible that your bible is faulty?

wakeup.

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Is ot only possible that your bible is faulty? wakeup.

AS FAR THAT I UNDERSTAND IT “ALL BIBLES ARE FAULTY IN SOME WAY ” THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES BY THE MESSAGE OF GOD ;AND SO GOD'S SPIRIT OF TRUTH WILL GUIDE YOU ;IF YOU LET HIM DO IT OF COURSE ,

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,04:47)

w Quote Is ot only possible that your bible is faulty? wakeup. AS FAR THAT I UNDERSTAND IT “ALL BIBLES ARE FAULTY IN SOME WAY ” THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES BY THE MESSAGE OF GOD ;AND SO GOD'S SPIRIT OF TRUTH WILL GUIDE YOU ;IF YOU LET HIM DO IT OF COURSE ,

I have used the kjv for 43 years and have not find
any contradictions.
Well in the first few years yes.
But that was me, not the translation.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,04:02)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,04:47) w Quote Is ot only possible that your bible is faulty? wakeup. AS FAR THAT I UNDERSTAND IT “ALL BIBLES ARE FAULTY IN SOME WAY ” THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES BY THE MESSAGE OF GOD ;AND SO GOD'S SPIRIT OF TRUTH WILL GUIDE YOU ;IF YOU LET HIM DO IT OF COURSE , I have used the kjv for 43 years and have not find any contradictions. Well in the first few years yes. But that was me, not the translation. wakeup.

w

I start to study the scriptures in 1959 ,with a french version ,protestant version ,then around 1962 i grab a catholic version from 1905 were they had left the theta gram of Gods name in place ,i still have that bible it is in french,lather 1969 i grab the french version of the bible of Jerusalem (catholic) so i read all those some many times ;then I start with English version ASV,but in 1992 i came stumbling on the 1984 version of the NIV
with the study section in it ,when through that one a few times that same year I also got a new version of the french “Geneva”

this is not counting in 2002 the new programs in software that came out for computers what i put my hands on ,all this is only a resume ,I have many other version including the KJV 1611  and the xxl

and after looking into those scriptures and some verses that uses different words to say the same thing ;I wander why they use those different words ;and came to the conclusion that it also was done according to the religion affiliation of those translation ,so they all became bias in favor of their own faith and understanding ;and so not to fall in their deceit ,I checked every scripture that seems suspect toward the message of God ,and that was and is what I still do today ,

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w

in the past five years I have added the Net bible and the Ryrie as well as the Lama bible to my collection

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,09:23)

w in the past five years I have added the Net bible and the Ryrie as well as the Lama bible to my collection

You can have a library of bibles at home.
But where are the fruits? That must be
a hobby of yours.
A tree with no fruits will be uprooted.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,07:21)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,09:23) w in the past five years I have added the Net bible and the Ryrie as well as the Lama bible to my collection You can have a library of bibles at home. But where are the fruits? That must be a hobby of yours. A tree with no fruits will be uprooted. wakeup.

W

so far it is you that has show to be a bear tree ,without fruit,nor understanding ,

you hardly answer my questions in all the topics we talk ,this is the true prove ,no need to degree the person the deeds of the person talks for it self,

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T.

Lets have fruitful conversations instead
of useless chatter. Grow up.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,09:24)

T. Lets have fruitful conversations instead of useless chatter. Grow up. wakeup.

W

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Lets have fruitful conversations

I AM ALWAYS FOR THAT ,NO DEGRATION OF CHARACTER,IN ANY WAY

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T.

Didn't you start with calling me a deceiver?

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