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  • #360130
    terraricca
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,10:23)
    Terra.

    You have failed to unravel it.
    Therefore you have not been given the Holy spirit
    to understand.
    I thought you said it is easy.
    Where are our brothers/sis?
    Why the silence in the court?

    wakeup.


    w

    Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says—
    Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God.
    Isa 44:7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
    Let him declare and lay out before me

    Isaiah 44:6 Click this icon to open a printer friendly page
    Context
    NET ©
    This is what the Lord, Israel’s king, says, their protector, 1 the Lord who commands armies: “I am the first and I am the last, there is no God but me.
    NIV ©
    “This is what the LORD says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
    NASB ©
    “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
    NLT ©
    “This is what the LORD, Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty, says: I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.
    MSG ©
    GOD, King of Israel, your Redeemer, GOD-of-the-Angel-Armies, says: “I'm first, I'm last, and everything in between. I'm the only God there is.
    BBE ©
    The Lord, the King of Israel, even the Lord of armies who has taken up his cause, says, I am the first and the last, and there is no God but me.
    NRSV ©
    Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
    NKJV ©
    “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

    tsaba'

    abu tsaba' or (fem.) habu ts@ba'ah

    Pronunciation:tsaw-baw' tseb-aw-aw'
    Origin:from 06633, Greek 4519 sabawy
    Reference:TWOT – 1865a 1865b
    PrtSpch:noun masculine
    In Hebrew:twabu 285, abu 74, abuh 33, abul 17, Mtabul 16, wabuw 12, wabu 11, Mabu 7, twabuh 5, abuw 5, abub 4, abum 2, Mtabu 2, habu 2, wnytwabub 2, Mkytwabu 1, Kabu 1, wyabu 1, wnytabub 1, *wyabu {wabu} 1, yabu 1, ytabu 1, Kabul 1
    In NET:who rules over all 172, who commands armies 80, army 66, company 19, stars 12, division 12, divisions 12, hosts 10, war 8, warriors 8, battle 7, companies 5, regiments 5, warrior 5, sovereign 5, armies 5, troops 3, service 3, commands armies 3, stars in the sky 2, who rules over 2, attack 2, assembly 2, created 1, Warrior 1, Almighty 1, creation 1, commanders 1, fighting 1, army for battle 1, battle with our armies 1, bodies 1, commanding 1, capable of doing battle 1, commanding general 1, heavenly forces 1, rules 1, performing 1, people 1, multitudes 1, rules over 1, soldier 1, trained 1, time of warfare 1, that was in them 1, most 1, military 1, good news 1, general in command of the army 1, general in command 1, forces 1, heavenly assembly 1, heavenly lights 1, men 1, in command of the army 1, in charge 1, fighting age 1
    In AV:host 393, war 41, army 29, battle 5, service 5, appointed time 3, warfare 2, soldiers 1, company 1, misc 5
    Count:485
    Definition:1) that which goes forth, army, war, warfare, host
    1a) army, host
    1a1) host (of organised army)
    1a2) host (of angels)
    1a3) of sun, moon, and stars
    1a4) of whole creation
    1b) war, warfare, service, go out to war
    1c) service

    why is it that some have translated the original word by “Lord of host ” and some by LORD ALMIGHTY ???
    IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THERMS LOOKING AT THE DESCRIPTION ,I DO NOT THINK SO.

    IN ISIAH 44;7 IT DESCRIBED CLEARLY WHO IS TALKING AND WHO IN VERSE 6 IS DESCRIBED BY FUNCTION

    GOD IS KING ; 1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.

    GOD IS THE REDEEMER ;Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    LORD OF HOST /LORD ALMIGHTY ;2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST;
    Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    DT 32:39 ‘ See now that I, I am He,
    And there is no god besides Me;

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You,

    THIS WILL MAKE IT WITHOUT DOUBTS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR

    #360132
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Terra.

    As you can see; some of the latter translations are corrupt.

    As far as I know; israel has rejected God as king,
    and anointed Saul.
    1. So; the Lord king of israel needs explaining.
    2. His redeemer; needs explaining.
    3. The Lord of host is God/Yhwh.
    4. There is none beside God needs explaining.

    wakeup.

    #360134
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,16:37)
    Terra.

    As you can see; some of the latter translations are corrupt.

    As far as I know; israel has rejected God as king,
    and anointed Saul.
    1. So; the Lord king of israel needs explaining.
    2. His redeemer; needs explaining.
    3. The Lord of host is God/Yhwh.
    4. There is none beside God needs explaining.

    wakeup.


    W

    I do not understand what it is you looking for, to me it is strait forward ,just as it is written,

    If you have something in your sleeves better spill it out now,so I may learn something,

    #360137
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2013,17:05)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,10:23)
    Terra.

    You have failed to unravel it.
    Therefore you have not been given the Holy spirit
    to understand.
    I thought you said it is easy.
    Where are our brothers/sis?
    Why the silence in the court?

    wakeup.


    w

    Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says—
    Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty:
    I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God.
    Isa 44:7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
    Let him declare and lay out before me

    Isaiah 44:6 Click this icon to open a printer friendly page
    Context
    NET ©
    This is what the Lord, Israel’s king, says, their protector, 1  the Lord who commands armies: “I am the first and I am the last, there is no God but me.
    NIV ©
    “This is what the LORD says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
    NASB ©
    “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
    NLT ©
    “This is what the LORD, Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty, says: I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.
    MSG ©
    GOD, King of Israel, your Redeemer, GOD-of-the-Angel-Armies, says: “I'm first, I'm last, and everything in between. I'm the only God there is.
    BBE ©
    The Lord, the King of Israel, even the Lord of armies who has taken up his cause, says, I am the first and the last, and there is no God but me.
    NRSV ©
    Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
    NKJV ©
    “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

    tsaba'

    abu tsaba' or (fem.) habu ts@ba'ah

    Pronunciation:tsaw-baw' tseb-aw-aw'
    Origin:from 06633, Greek 4519 sabawy
    Reference:TWOT – 1865a 1865b
    PrtSpch:noun masculine
    In Hebrew:twabu 285, abu 74, abuh 33, abul 17, Mtabul 16, wabuw 12, wabu 11, Mabu 7, twabuh 5, abuw 5, abub 4, abum 2, Mtabu 2, habu 2, wnytwabub 2, Mkytwabu 1, Kabu 1, wyabu 1, wnytabub 1, *wyabu {wabu} 1, yabu 1, ytabu 1, Kabul 1
    In NET:who rules over all 172, who commands armies 80, army 66, company 19, stars 12, division 12, divisions 12, hosts 10, war 8, warriors 8, battle 7, companies 5, regiments 5, warrior 5, sovereign 5, armies 5, troops 3, service 3, commands armies 3, stars in the sky 2, who rules over 2, attack 2, assembly 2, created 1, Warrior 1, Almighty 1, creation 1, commanders 1, fighting 1, army for battle 1, battle with our armies 1, bodies 1, commanding 1, capable of doing battle 1, commanding general 1, heavenly forces 1, rules 1, performing 1, people 1, multitudes 1, rules over 1, soldier 1, trained 1, time of warfare 1, that was in them 1, most 1, military 1, good news 1, general in command of the army 1, general in command 1, forces 1, heavenly assembly 1, heavenly lights 1, men 1, in command of the army 1, in charge 1, fighting age 1
    In AV:host 393, war 41, army 29, battle 5, service 5, appointed time 3, warfare 2, soldiers 1, company 1, misc 5
    Count:485
    Definition:1) that which goes forth, army, war, warfare, host
    1a) army, host
    1a1) host (of organised army)
    1a2) host (of angels)
    1a3) of sun, moon, and stars
    1a4) of whole creation
    1b) war, warfare, service, go out to war
    1c) service

    why is it that some have translated the original word by “Lord of host ” and some by LORD ALMIGHTY ???
    IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THERMS LOOKING AT THE DESCRIPTION ,I DO NOT THINK SO.

    IN ISIAH 44;7 IT DESCRIBED CLEARLY WHO IS TALKING AND WHO IN VERSE 6 IS DESCRIBED BY FUNCTION

    GOD IS KING ;   1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.

    GOD IS THE REDEEMER ;Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    LORD OF HOST /LORD ALMIGHTY ;2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST;
    Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    DT 32:39 ‘ See now that I, I am He,
    And there is no god besides Me;

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You,

    THIS WILL MAKE IT WITHOUT DOUBTS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR


    Treccia………..This is a True rendition of scriptures, God plainly say there is “NO” God besides Him It is an emphatic statement , also in 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is not idols in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. that is also an emphatic statement.

    My question to you is why do you follow Mike in his teachings of others Gods then? or do you “really” not go along with Mikes teaching on this. Do you now believe Jesus was a God also Pierre. Do you now still believe John 1:1 is really saying Jesus was a God of any kind or not?

    peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

    #360147
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,00:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,16:37)
    Terra.

    As you can see; some of the latter translations are corrupt.

    As far as I know; israel has rejected God as king,
    and anointed Saul.
    1. So; the Lord king of israel needs explaining.
    2. His redeemer; needs explaining.
    3. The Lord of host is God/Yhwh.
    4. There is none beside God needs explaining.

    wakeup.


    W

    I do not understand what it is you looking for, to me it is strait forward ,just as it is written,

    If you have something in your sleeves better spill it out now,so I may learn something,


    Terra.

    1.Who is the king of israel?
    2.Who is the redeemer of the king of israel?

    Note: Israel has rejected God as their king.
    israel's king is a man,not God.

    wakeup.

    #360164
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,01:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,00:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2013,16:37)
    Terra.

    As you can see; some of the latter translations are corrupt.

    As far as I know; israel has rejected God as king,
    and anointed Saul.
    1. So; the Lord king of israel needs explaining.
    2. His redeemer; needs explaining.
    3. The Lord of host is God/Yhwh.
    4. There is none beside God needs explaining.

    wakeup.


    W

    I do not understand what it is you looking for, to me it is strait forward ,just as it is written,

    If you have something in your sleeves better spill it out now,so I may learn something,


    Terra.

    1.Who is the king of israel?
    2.Who is the redeemer of the king of israel?

    Note: Israel has rejected God as their king.
             israel's king is a man,not God.

    wakeup.


    w

    Quote
    1.Who is the king of israel?

    God his until Christ came who his his the chosen king of God his father ;

    Quote
    Note: Israel has rejected God as their king.
             israel's king is a man,not God.

    who's running the show ??? ISRAEL OR GOD ALMIGHTY ??? I THINK IT IS GOD ALMIGHTY,WHAT YOU THINK ???

    Quote
    2.Who is the redeemer of israel?

    Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    IF YOU CAN SHOW ME THAT CHRIST AS A REDEEMER THAT WOULD BE NICE ,IN SCRIPTURES THAT IS ;

    #360165
    terraricca
    Participant

    GENE

    Quote
    Treccia………..This is a True rendition of scriptures, God plainly say there is “NO” God besides Him It is an emphatic statement , also in 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is not idols in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. that is also an emphatic statement.

    My question to you is why do you follow Mike in his teachings of others Gods then? or do you “really” not go along with Mikes teaching on this. Do you now believe Jesus was a God also Pierre. Do you now still believe John 1:1 is really saying Jesus was a God of any kind or not?

    peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none ” LIKE YOU”, and there is no God BESIDES (EQUAL TO HIM)You,

    DT 10:17 “ For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
    PS 136:2 Give thanks to the God of gods,
    For His loving kindness is everlasting.
    DA 2:47 The king answered Daniel and said, “Surely your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, since you have been able to reveal this mystery.”
    DA 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

    WHO ARE THE GODS OVER WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE GOD OVER ???

    WHO ARE THE GODS THAT CAN SPEAK MONSTROUS THINGS AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS ???

    PLEASE BE HONEST ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONS ;DO NOT RUN AWAY ;I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE SCRIPTURES NOR DID I QUOTED A PART OF A VERSE TO ALLOW SPECULATION ON IT ,

    #360178
    Wakeup
    Participant

    The Lord king of israel **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS *ME* or *I* and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.

    #360179
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:27)
    The Lord king of israel    **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS  *ME*  or  *I*     and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    Ponder upon it

    LOOK AT MY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU ,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU ;

    BUT YOU DID NOT PONDER ON IT ,WHY IS THAT ???

    #360199
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:14)
    GENE

    Quote
    Treccia………..This is a True rendition of scriptures, God plainly say there is “NO” God besides Him  It is an emphatic statement , also in 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is not idols in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. that is also an emphatic statement.

    My question to you is why do you follow Mike in his teachings of others Gods then? or do you “really” not go along with Mikes teaching on this. Do you now believe Jesus was a God also Pierre. Do you now still believe John 1:1 is really saying Jesus was a God of any kind or not?

    peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none ” LIKE YOU”, and there is no God BESIDES (EQUAL TO HIM)You,

    DT 10:17 “ For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
    PS 136:2 Give thanks to the God of gods,
    For His loving kindness is everlasting.
    DA 2:47 The king answered Daniel and said, “Surely your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, since you have been able to reveal this mystery.”
    DA 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

    WHO ARE THE GODS OVER WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE GOD OVER ???

       WHO ARE THE GODS THAT CAN SPEAK MONSTROUS THINGS AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS ???

    PLEASE BE HONEST ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONS ;DO NOT RUN AWAY ;I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE SCRIPTURES NOR DID I QUOTED A PART OF A VERSE TO ALLOW SPECULATION ON IT ,


    Terricca……….They are false God's made in the minds of those who follow them I have explained this many times before Pierre, the word God has two meanings, One is Power, the other is what you “trust in”. Both thing have to be present to make a GOD of any thing, so yes there can be other God's to a person then the “ONE and only “TRUE” GOD, but that other God a person has for him or herself is not a “TRUE” GOD but a “FALSE” God, why because Scripture plainly and emphatically say there is ONLY 'ONE' “TRUE” GOD

    I have quoted so many scriptures that back that up here over so many years,

    I even ask YOU and Mike to please explain 1 Cor 8:4 ….> we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”.

    Do you believe that> Yes or NO, it is very important you do believe it Pierre.

    peacve and love to you and yours………………………..gene

    #360201
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 26 2013,23:21)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:14)
    GENE

    Quote
    Treccia………..This is a True rendition of scriptures, God plainly say there is “NO” God besides Him  It is an emphatic statement , also in 1 Cor 8:4…> we know that there is not idols in the world, and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”. that is also an emphatic statement.

    My question to you is why do you follow Mike in his teachings of others Gods then? or do you “really” not go along with Mikes teaching on this. Do you now believe Jesus was a God also Pierre. Do you now still believe John 1:1 is really saying Jesus was a God of any kind or not?

    peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none ” LIKE YOU”, and there is no God BESIDES (EQUAL TO HIM)You,

    DT 10:17 “ For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.
    PS 136:2 Give thanks to the God of gods,
    For His loving kindness is everlasting.
    DA 2:47 The king answered Daniel and said, “Surely your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, since you have been able to reveal this mystery.”
    DA 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

    WHO ARE THE GODS OVER WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE GOD OVER ???

       WHO ARE THE GODS THAT CAN SPEAK MONSTROUS THINGS AGAINST THE GOD OF GODS ???

    PLEASE BE HONEST ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTIONS ;DO NOT RUN AWAY ;I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE SCRIPTURES NOR DID I QUOTED A PART OF A VERSE TO ALLOW SPECULATION ON IT ,


    Terricca……….They are false God's made  in the minds of those who follow them I have explained this many times before Pierre, the word God has two meanings, One is Power, the other is what you “trust in”. Both thing have to be present to make a GOD of any thing, so yes there can be other God's to a person then the “ONE and only “TRUE” GOD, but that other God a  person has for him or herself is not a “TRUE” GOD but a “FALSE” God, why because Scripture plainly and emphatically say there is ONLY 'ONE' “TRUE” GOD

    I have quoted so many scriptures that back that up here over so many years,

    I even ask YOU and Mike to please explain 1 Cor 8:4 ….> we know that there is no idol in the world and that there is “NO” GOD, but “ONE”.

    Do you believe that> Yes or NO, it is very important you do believe it Pierre.

    peacve and love to you and yours………………………..gene


    GENE

    again you do not answer my questions ;and yet it is God speaking ;why is it that you can not ,want not ,will not answer my questions ??? ;

    #360227
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:27)
    The Lord king of israel    **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS  *ME*  or  *I*     and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    Ponder upon it

    LOOK AT MY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU ,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU ;

    BUT YOU DID NOT PONDER ON IT ,WHY IS THAT ???


    Terra.

    That was not the answer.
    That is still the question to be answered.

    wakeup.

    #360231
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:48)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:27)
    The Lord king of israel    **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS  *ME*  or  *I*     and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    Ponder upon it

    LOOK AT MY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU ,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU ;

    BUT YOU DID NOT PONDER ON IT ,WHY IS THAT ???


    Terra.

    That was not the answer.
    That is still the question to be answered.

    wakeup.


    w

    this is my early answer with all the scriptures;

    IN ISIAH 44;7 IT DESCRIBED CLEARLY WHO IS TALKING AND WHO IN VERSE 6 IS DESCRIBED BY FUNCTION

    GOD IS KING ; 1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.

    GOD IS THE REDEEMER ;Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    LORD OF HOST /LORD ALMIGHTY ;2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST;
    Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    DT 32:39 ‘ See now that I, I am He,
    And there is no god besides Me;

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You,

    THIS WILL MAKE IT WITHOUT DOUBTS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR

    NOW LET SEE YOUR ANSWER WITH FULL SCRIPTURES BESIDE IT ,IN A CLEAR MODE

    #360269
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,07:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:48)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:27)
    The Lord king of israel    **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS  *ME*  or  *I*     and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    Ponder upon it

    LOOK AT MY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU ,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU ;

    BUT YOU DID NOT PONDER ON IT ,WHY IS THAT ???


    Terra.

    That was not the answer.
    That is still the question to be answered.

    wakeup.


    w

    this is my early answer with all the scriptures;

    IN ISIAH 44;7 IT DESCRIBED CLEARLY WHO IS TALKING AND WHO IN VERSE 6 IS DESCRIBED BY FUNCTION

    GOD IS KING ;   1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.

    GOD IS THE REDEEMER ;Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    LORD OF HOST /LORD ALMIGHTY ;2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST;
    Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    DT 32:39 ‘ See now that I, I am He,
    And there is no god besides Me;

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You,

    THIS WILL MAKE IT WITHOUT DOUBTS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR

    NOW LET SEE YOUR ANSWER WITH FULL SCRIPTURES BESIDE IT ,IN A CLEAR MODE


    Terra.

    You still dont understand the question.

    The Lord king of israel is one.
    And his redeemer is another.
    But he says that there is no other.
    This is the question for you to explain.

    wakeup.

    #360271
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:27)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,07:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:48)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:27)
    The Lord king of israel    **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS  *ME*  or  *I*     and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    Ponder upon it

    LOOK AT MY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU ,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU ;

    BUT YOU DID NOT PONDER ON IT ,WHY IS THAT ???


    Terra.

    That was not the answer.
    That is still the question to be answered.

    wakeup.


    w

    this is my early answer with all the scriptures;

    IN ISIAH 44;7 IT DESCRIBED CLEARLY WHO IS TALKING AND WHO IN VERSE 6 IS DESCRIBED BY FUNCTION

    GOD IS KING ;   1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.

    GOD IS THE REDEEMER ;Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    LORD OF HOST /LORD ALMIGHTY ;2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST;
    Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    DT 32:39 ‘ See now that I, I am He,
    And there is no god besides Me;

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You,

    THIS WILL MAKE IT WITHOUT DOUBTS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR

    NOW LET SEE YOUR ANSWER WITH FULL SCRIPTURES BESIDE IT ,IN A CLEAR MODE


    Terra.

    You still dont understand the question.

    The Lord king of israel is one.
    And his redeemer is another.
    But he says that there is no other.
    This is the question for you to explain.

    wakeup.


    W

    You got the scriptures those scriptures do not agree with you,why do you not believe the scriptures ???

    #360282
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:35)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:27)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,07:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:48)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:27)
    The Lord king of israel    **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS  *ME*  or  *I*     and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    Ponder upon it

    LOOK AT MY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU ,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU ;

    BUT YOU DID NOT PONDER ON IT ,WHY IS THAT ???


    Terra.

    That was not the answer.
    That is still the question to be answered.

    wakeup.


    w

    this is my early answer with all the scriptures;

    IN ISIAH 44;7 IT DESCRIBED CLEARLY WHO IS TALKING AND WHO IN VERSE 6 IS DESCRIBED BY FUNCTION

    GOD IS KING ;   1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.

    GOD IS THE REDEEMER ;Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    LORD OF HOST /LORD ALMIGHTY ;2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST;
    Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    DT 32:39 ‘ See now that I, I am He,
    And there is no god besides Me;

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You,

    THIS WILL MAKE IT WITHOUT DOUBTS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR

    NOW LET SEE YOUR ANSWER WITH FULL SCRIPTURES BESIDE IT ,IN A CLEAR MODE


    Terra.

    You still dont understand the question.

    The Lord king of israel is one.
    And his redeemer is another.
    But he says that there is no other.
    This is the question for you to explain.

    wakeup.


    W

    You got the scriptures those scriptures do not agree with you,why do you not believe the scriptures ???


    Terra.

    That is my QUESTION FOR ALL TO ANSWER.
    *NOT* my statement.

    wakeup.

    #360294
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,14:00)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,14:35)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,09:27)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,07:23)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:48)

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:27)
    The Lord king of israel    **and**
    his redeemer ***are speaking***:

    Saying: **I** am the first and the last**

    Beside *ME* there is no God.

    The Lord king of israel **AND** his redeemer:
    EQUALS  *ME*  or  *I*     and no other?

    Ponder upon it.

    wakeup.


    W

    Quote
    Ponder upon it

    LOOK AT MY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU ,THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD YOU ;

    BUT YOU DID NOT PONDER ON IT ,WHY IS THAT ???


    Terra.

    That was not the answer.
    That is still the question to be answered.

    wakeup.


    w

    this is my early answer with all the scriptures;

    IN ISIAH 44;7 IT DESCRIBED CLEARLY WHO IS TALKING AND WHO IN VERSE 6 IS DESCRIBED BY FUNCTION

    GOD IS KING ;   1Sa 8:7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.

    GOD IS THE REDEEMER ;Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says—
    the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel

    LORD OF HOST /LORD ALMIGHTY ;2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    I AM THE FIRST AND I AM THE LAST;
    Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

    DT 32:39 ‘ See now that I, I am He,
    And there is no god besides Me;

    2SA 7:22 “For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You,

    THIS WILL MAKE IT WITHOUT DOUBTS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT GOD ALMIGHTY THE CREATOR

    NOW LET SEE YOUR ANSWER WITH FULL SCRIPTURES BESIDE IT ,IN A CLEAR MODE


    Terra.

    You still dont understand the question.

    The Lord king of israel is one.
    And his redeemer is another.
    But he says that there is no other.
    This is the question for you to explain.

    wakeup.


    W

    You got the scriptures those scriptures do not agree with you,why do you not believe the scriptures ???


    Terra.

    That is my QUESTION FOR ALL TO ANSWER.
    *NOT* my statement.

    wakeup.


    w

    you are turning in circles again time out

    #360341
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Terra.

    My question which you can not answer,
    but blame me for asking the question.
    Instead accusing me for asking the question.
    Just clarify the mystery.

    1.The redeemer is God.(agree).
    2.The Lord king of israel is??
    3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.
    I am the first and the last.

    wakeup.

    #360343
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41)
    Terra.

    My question which you can not answer,
    but blame me for asking the question.
    Instead accusing me for asking the question.
    Just clarify the mystery.

    1.The redeemer is God.(agree).
    2.The Lord king of israel is??
    3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.
      I am the first and the last.

    wakeup.


    W

    Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God,

    Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer.

    Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last :

    This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work,

    #360354
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,13:40)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,06:41)
    Terra.

    My question which you can not answer,
    but blame me for asking the question.
    Instead accusing me for asking the question.
    Just clarify the mystery.

    1.The redeemer is God.(agree).
    2.The Lord king of israel is??
    3.Now explain this: Beside me there is no God.
      I am the first and the last.

    wakeup.


    W

    Your question number 2:as been answered with scriptures it his God,

    Question number 3: “beside me there his no God” this I have answered with adding one more verse in my previous quote,and show you that God says “no other God LIKE me” this is your answered,there are many gods but God almighty his the “God of gods ” understand this and you have your answer.

    Now you ask me a 4 question : I am the first and the last :

    This applied to both Christ and his father ; to the father because it is all of his creation and plan ,to Christ because as for to save all men from sin he his the beginning or the start of it and he also his the end of that work until he will submit to his father ,after he ad finished his work,


    My question is still not answered.

    Thus said the Lord;the king of israel **and
    his redeemer**. Two are speaking here.
    The king of israel *and* his redeemer.

    1.Who is the king of israel?
    2. Who is *the redeemer* of the king of israel?

    The king of israel has a redeemer; he is the lord of host.
    There should be two?

    Why is there only one? Which is the first and the last.
    (beside me there is no God).

    wakeup.

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