The great deceit

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you do not teach me anything ;what i see is the miss use of scriptures ,like some did at the time of Paul.

You would be too proud to admit anyway.

wakeup.

I STILL WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER TO ISRAEL OF TODAY

OF HOW A WICKED NATION REJECTING THE KING THAT JEHOVAH GOD AS SEND THEM AND YOU MAKE THAT NATION THE PIVOT OF GOD'S PLAN ;

HOW IS THAT IS NOW GOD RIGHTEOUSNESS REPLACED BY THE WICKEDNESS OF THIS WORLD AND BECOME THE TRUE WAY

See propecy on page 6.

wakeup.

there is no answer on that page ,or any page

Seek and ye shall find.

No Terra,I am not running away from that question
Because I know God's plan.(without any boasting).

The jews are *partly blinded*,so the gospel will
be preached *to the gentiles* in all the world and
unto all nations.
And when the preaching to the gentiles has come *to the full*,
God will *come back* to the jews.
The *natural olive branhes* will be *grafted back* to the natural tree.

This will be done in the 1000yr reign of Christ.
The resurrected saints will do the teachings.
To provoke the jews to jealousy.
Because they have provoked God to jealousy in
the past.(in the desert) with their gods.

wakeup.

October 1, 2013 at 3:24 pm#359155

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you do not teach me anything ;what i see is the miss use of scriptures ,like some did at the time of Paul.

You would be too proud to admit anyway.

wakeup.

I STILL WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER TO ISRAEL OF TODAY

OF HOW A WICKED NATION REJECTING THE KING THAT JEHOVAH GOD AS SEND THEM AND YOU MAKE THAT NATION THE PIVOT OF GOD'S PLAN ;

HOW IS THAT IS NOW GOD RIGHTEOUSNESS REPLACED BY THE WICKEDNESS OF THIS WORLD AND BECOME THE TRUE WAY

See propecy on page 6.

wakeup.

there is no answer on that page ,or any page

Seek and ye shall find.

No Terra,I am not running away from that question
Because I know God's plan.(without any boasting).

wakeup.

YES YOU DO ,

YOU NEVER GIVE STRAIT ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS ,because you cannot find any scriptures that supports the wicked nation of Israel not now not in the past ,but you want us to believe God does support WICKEDNESS AND BUILT HIS CHURCH ON IT AND YET ALL THE SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT GOD HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS
AND DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE WICKED BUT WILL DESTROY THEM ,

AS FOR ISRAEL THIS WAS DONE IN 70 AD ,YOU ARE MISS UNDERSTANDING PAUL LETTER TO THE ROMAN ;

AND MANY OTHER SCRIPTURES ,

October 1, 2013 at 11:20 pm#359172

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you do not teach me anything ;what i see is the miss use of scriptures ,like some did at the time of Paul.

You would be too proud to admit anyway.

wakeup.

I STILL WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER TO ISRAEL OF TODAY

OF HOW A WICKED NATION REJECTING THE KING THAT JEHOVAH GOD AS SEND THEM AND YOU MAKE THAT NATION THE PIVOT OF GOD'S PLAN ;

HOW IS THAT IS NOW GOD RIGHTEOUSNESS REPLACED BY THE WICKEDNESS OF THIS WORLD AND BECOME THE TRUE WAY

See propecy on page 6.

wakeup.

there is no answer on that page ,or any page

Seek and ye shall find.

No Terra,I am not running away from that question
Because I know God's plan.(without any boasting).

wakeup.

YES YOU DO ,

AS FOR ISRAEL THIS WAS DONE IN 70 AD ,YOU ARE MISS UNDERSTANDING PAUL LETTER TO THE ROMAN ;

AND MANY OTHER SCRIPTURES ,

GO and fight these scriptures,and interpret it your own way.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:27 *For this is my covenant unto them*, when I shall take away their sins.

wakeup.

October 1, 2013 at 11:34 pm#359174

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GO and fight these scriptures,and interpret it your own way.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:27 *For this is my covenant unto them*, when I shall take away their sins.

wakeup.

first answer my question ; who his the DELIVERER THAT COMES OUT OF SION
AND THAT SHALL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB (ISRAEL)WHO WAS HE
SECONDLY “FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT UNTO THEM ” WHEN I SHALL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS ” WHAT COVENANT DID GOD MADE THAT AS REMOVED THE SINS OF JACOBS

ANSWER THOSE QUESTION THEN I WILL SHOW YOU HOW WRONG YOU ARE

October 1, 2013 at 11:57 pm#359184

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GO and fight these scriptures,and interpret it your own way.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:27 *For this is my covenant unto them*, when I shall take away their sins.

wakeup.

ANSWER THOSE QUESTION THEN I WILL SHOW YOU HOW WRONG YOU ARE

The deliverer is Jesus.
He will come and deliver his people,when he comes again.

Not his *first* coming,for he did not come to deliver,but to bring the light to his people.

For your info.Jacob is also israel.

wakeup.

October 2, 2013 at 12:03 am#359188

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GO and fight these scriptures,and interpret it your own way.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:27 *For this is my covenant unto them*, when I shall take away their sins.

wakeup.

ANSWER THOSE QUESTION THEN I WILL SHOW YOU HOW WRONG YOU ARE

The deliverer is Jesus.
He will come and deliver his people,when he comes again.

Not his *first* coming,for he did not come to deliver,but to bring the light to his people.

For your info.Jacob is also israel.

wakeup.

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For your info.Jacob is also israel.

Ro 10:1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.
Ro 10:2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Ro 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
Ro 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Ro 10:5 Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: “The man who does these things will live by them.”
Ro 10:6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’’” (that is, to bring Christ down)
Ro 10:7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Ro 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
Ro 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

YOU REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LETTER OF PAUL TO THE ROMAN

October 2, 2013 at 12:32 am#359194

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GO and fight these scriptures,and interpret it your own way.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:27 *For this is my covenant unto them*, when I shall take away their sins.

wakeup.

ANSWER THOSE QUESTION THEN I WILL SHOW YOU HOW WRONG YOU ARE

The deliverer is Jesus.
He will come and deliver his people,when he comes again.

Not his *first* coming,for he did not come to deliver,but to bring the light to his people.

For your info.Jacob is also israel.

wakeup.

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For your info.Jacob is also israel.

YOU REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LETTER OF PAUL TO THE ROMAN

And you are a wonderer,going all over the place.

The scripture says that; **ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED**.
THAT'S THE COVENANT.
You want to break that covenant?

The scripture also says; THAT THE NATURAL OLIVE BRANCHES WILL BE GRAFTED BACK ON TO THE NATURAL TREE.
You want to change that scripture?

God also said: I SHALL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.(11:27).
You want to find some scriptures to disagree with that?

wakeup.

October 2, 2013 at 12:51 am#359195

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terraricca,Oct. wrote:

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YOU REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LETTER OF PAUL TO THE ROMAN

No Pierre
You do not understand what you read,
that Israel has been blinded until the fullness of the gentiles come in.
This means that Christ has to be preached to the ends of the earth, and every man hears the name Jesus Christ.
Not all who hear his name will come to him,
but the one's that do, will take part in the first resurrection,
as Christ will bring together IN ONE all that is his,
at the harvest (coming) when all is grown to the full, good and bad to be sifted.
Then, when the number of believers is complete, and the message spread throughout the WHOLE EARTH,
the 144,000 will be sealed.
The 144,000 are ALIVE when the sealing takes place, because the angel is told not to harm anything until they are sealed, and this includes them. These 144,000 are the ones with the full truth, and that followed the lamb wheresoever he goes throughout their lives. They are not the ones that came in at the final hour.
NOW THE TEMPLE OF HEAVEN WILL BE CLOSED AND NO MAN CAN ENTER UNTIL THE 7 ANGELS FINISH POURING OUT GOD'S WRATH.

And because Israel's was so stubborn, and they rejected their true Messiah, they will be punished first.
GOD PUNISHES THOSE HE LOVES.
This punishment will bring them back to God, for they will cry out to him for deliverance during the great oppression that will come to them. You have no idea how hard it is going to be for them and the misery they will experience.
And God will have mercy on them at this time when Christ returns, AFTER they have been punished, and will deliver them from their enemies.
for God foretold it, and it is in his plans to be accomplished.

Just like he gave the gentiles mercy who called out to him, and opened their eyes so they could see the truth,
Now that same mercy will switch to Israel also, and their eyes will be opened when God makes them see that they crucified their Messiah and erred.
You don't like this?
Why not?
It's not our plan, it's God's plan and he revealed this to all of us in the scriptures, but obviously, not all can see,
so this must be solid food, and too heavy for you to take, for you are still on the milk, and crying like a baby too,
for you don't even have the milk, because if you did, you would not falsely accuse brethren, and start acting like Christ told us how to act. You would accept the scriptures like a child.

It is so simple, must you turn it into a circus?
You have rejected scripture over and over again,
carrying on like a madman.
but keep going, because you think you're entertaining the readers and doing God a service
but you only make the truth stronger when you are rebuked,
and you are proven wrong by the scriptures.
And we don't like anyone to be proven wrong,
but rather that they see the truth and rejoice,
and stop trampling the truth,
for if we trample the truth, then we will not be in the first resurrection, but in the second,
and in the second, we get judged on our deeds,
And God hates pride.
I don't like telling you off, but no-one else is, and it would be better if the others did it, for the sake of your precious soul,
so you can come back and discuss calmly without predjudice.

October 2, 2013 at 3:45 am#359199

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YOU REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LETTER OF PAUL TO THE ROMAN

Do you not know that Israel will be last to enter into the kingdom close the door so to speak,??? But this will only happen after the second resurrection,not before,all the Gentiles will be in first,

But they were the first invited to the kingdom By Christ and his disciples,

And you as well do not answer my questions,about Israel today nation

October 3, 2013 at 3:40 am#359237

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Do you not know that Israel will be last to enter into the kingdom close the door so to speak,???

Hi Pierre
Yes, that is what the scriptures say. God will provoke them to jealousy for they were disobedient to God and rejected their Messiah.
Now salvation has come to the gentiles, for the gentiles accepted Jesus Christ.
But are the Jews jealous today of the gentiles?
Absolutely not, for they think that salvation belongs to them only.

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But this will only happen after the second resurrection,not before,all the Gentiles will be in first,

Not so, because when Christ returns, the FIRST RESURRECTION will take place.
Those that accepted Christ are the gentiles,
they will be changed in a twinkling of the eye.
The gentiles will be changed to spirit like Christ was,
and the Jews are still flesh.
This is when they are provoked to jealousy.
When Christ and his saints rule in Jerusalem.
Now we have the start of the Millennium where the Jews still in their flesh are gathered back in there, and taught by Christ and the saints.
Do you get it so far?
The Jews will only receive mercy AFTER the second coming of Christ, not before, as this is when the veil will be taken off their eyes.

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But they were the first invited to the kingdom

By Christ and his disciples,

Yes they were, but they rejected and crucified their Lord.

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And you as well do not answer my questions,about Israel today nation

Israel TODAY has been disobedient as we all know.
Israel TODAY still has not accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah.
God is not happy with ISRAEL today.
So God will punish ISRAEL when the false prophet comes with his 10 kings.
Because Israel are blinded, they will make a pact with the false prophet.
They will scheme with him in secrecy, and use him for their purposes.
Their purpose is to destroy the dome of the rock
and have protection from the 10 kings (their armies), so that their muslem enemies cannot touch them,
So this secret deal is to PRETEND that the 10 kings have invaded them, and they will use the 10 kings and false prophet who is leading them to destroy that dome of the rock.
The Muslem nations will rejoice that Israel has been attacked,
but it is all a dark scheme, and God calls this their covenant with death (Israel's)
So Israel uses the false prophet and 10 kings, to destroy that Muslem temple,
so that they can rebuild their own temple again, in hope for their Messiah to come,
but it backfires, and the false prophet and 10 kings have USED israel also,
because their plans are to set up this new king (False Prophet) and make his headquarters in JERUSALEM.
This is the abomination of Desolation.
The rebuilding of the temple, not for Israel as they thought,
but for the false prophet only.
The Muslems will catch on to what is really happening, that they have been fooled,
and then that war will start when the kings of the east come in to Israel to war.
This will lead to the worst war of all history.
Armies there of 200 million. They will start fighting,
then the Lord will appear in the sky,
and the armies will think they've been invaded by aliens,
not knowing it's Christ, because the false prophet has decieved them,
then they will come together and UNKNOWLINGLY fight Christ.
Then Christ will destroy them (the treading of the winepress)
and will destroy the SYSTEM OF BABYLON,
and will have mercy once again on Israel,
because they have been punished so bad, by going through this ordeal, that God heard their pleas.
And Christ will set up his headquarters in Israel (Jerusalem), and will rule with the saints,
And Israel will be brought back to their own land, but all is different now,
and Israel will learn of Jesus Christ, and be taught of him and the saints,
and the preaching of the truth will go on for 1000 years.
And Israel will multiply and multiply, and not one of them will fall,
Israel are now reconciled back to God, because God wants it that way,
so that God's name can be glorified again, through Christ and them now as an example to the world.
They will be a leading nation.
Christ is in charge now, and the laws of the land and the earth are now holy.
Then when the 1000 years is up,
Satan will be released
Then the battle of Gog and Magog.

So Pierre, everything that happens in Israel today, is the build up of what is coming, so that God's plan can be fulfilled.

October 3, 2013 at 3:54 am#359238

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Pierre,

You are right in a sense, about the 2nd resurrection.
Israel will be changed to spirit then at the 2nd resurrection.
but they are reconciled back to God during the millenium, a thousand years before the 2nd resurrection, and are only FLESH during this time, and living in the physical kingdom on earth where Christ has his headquarters,
and there are boundaries in this area (2240 km square)

October 4, 2013 at 12:24 am#359266

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Pierre,

J42.

Terra,is on a different wavelength,
It will not register,onless he changes
the channel button.

wakeup.

October 5, 2013 at 12:24 am#359300

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J42.

Terra,is on a different wavelength,
It will not register,onless he changes
the channel button.

wakeup.
I answered his question, and am still waiting for Pierre to answer.

Pierre,
I know that you are having a hard time understanding Israel's purpose, even the state of Israel today.
You say God has finished with them, but the end time prophecy's show us that God will show his wrath there in Israel.
They will receive the harshest punishment because they will be occupied again by others for 3 1/2 years, and will be afflicted harshly.
Their pride and trust in their government, army, and world protection will cease. They will be desolate, and God will put them through this.
That's why the final battle will be there in Israel,
to devestate their land even more.
They will no longer be proud, but this affliction will humble them,
for it is hard to be proud when one is fighting for their life.
They will cry out to God like never before in their distress.

How can you say God is finished with them?
You can read for yourself in Revelations where the final war will be.
You can read for yourself in Daniel where the abomination of desolation will be set up;

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

So Israel plays a big part in God's plan.
And when God has finished punishing them,
he will feel sorry for them, and have mercy on them also.
Mercy is mercy. Not of works.
He will open their eyes and show them Christ.
They will see with their eyes, and and be grieved at what they had done.
A new era will now begin,
the first dominion with Christ ruling over them.
I think it's exciting.

And if we be telling lies, then how would this profit us?
What would we gain out of all this being gentiles ourselves?
If we were Jews, then I could understand why you think we are biased.
But we are rejoicing for them, as we realise that it does not all end when Christ returns as we once thought, but a thousand years more of people coming into the kingdom, and the truth being preached.
This is a rejoicing and a revelation that what the churches taught us is a big fat lie,
for it is in the scriptures that God reveals the truth.
Precept upon precept, line upon line.

Praise the Lord.

October 13, 2013 at 5:35 am#359553

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Hi Pierre,

Are you ok? You havn't been on here in a while?

October 13, 2013 at 11:05 am#359558

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I am fighting my decease and the treatment they have given me ,

But as for an answere to your request ,I have answered them all ,but you have done what skeptics do wipe out all my scriptures and replaced it with your own version of view,

And so kill all truth ,so you are on your own ,

October 20, 2013 at 4:26 pm#359784

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WHAT CAN PROTECT US FROM DECEIT OR MORE DOWN TO EARTH SWEET LIES;

Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Jn 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.

Jn 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.

VERSE 18 SAYS “HE WAS SEND INTO THE WORLD ,” HOW WAS THAT
NOW CHRIST SEND HIS DISCIPLES INTO THE WORLD “HOW??? THEY ARE NOT OF THE WORLD BUT ARE SEND TO THE WORLD ,HOW IS THAT

HOW DO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND “BEING FROM THE WORLD ” AND ” BEING SEND TO THE WORLD ” OR “NOT BEING FROM THE WORLD

October 20, 2013 at 5:01 pm#359788

GeneBalthrop

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To All……….The great deceit is that there is more then “ONE” TRUE GOD, The Great LIE is the JESUS is a GOD , 2 Ths 2. Jesus being preached as a GOD forms a FALSE “IMAGE” Of Him, turning the MAN “Jesus” into A god is the Big LIE mentioned in 2 Ths2. The MAN of SIN is not a real person it is a “FALSE IMAGE” OF THE MAN JESUS, and all who preach this LIE have been deceived BY GOD himself, Just as it says that God would send unto them a strong delusion in order for them to believe A “LIE”, because they received not the love of “TRUTH” Most all of Christendom believes in this LIE of Jesus being a GOD, which turns the “IMAGE” of the man Jesus into a MAN of SIN, all who preach and teach this LIE will suffer the consequences of it, at Jesus' return . IMO, You have been warned.

peace and love to you all………………………………………….gene

October 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm#359789

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peace and love to you all………………………………………….gene

GENE

so the scriptures are lying and Paul is a liar ,right and Gene is the apostle of truth right declare a super apostle by himself ,

Col 1:15 He(Christ ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18
,;;so that in everything he might have the supremacy;

October 20, 2013 at 7:44 pm#359796

GeneBalthrop

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Terricca………Being an (IMAGE) of any thing it NOT actually BEING IT, now is it? Go look up the word IMAGE, before you go mouthing off about it. IMAGE is to MIRROR OR REFLECT, BUT IS. “NEVER ” THE “OBJECT ” it reflects. Jesus was never the GOD, Who was IN him doing HIS work “THROUGH” HIM. Had you understood what Timothy meant by saying my Lord “AND” my GOD You would have come to truly understand that God the father was indeed “IN” Jesus. But that never made Jesus a GOD of any kind, or the God that was “IN” Him.

Answer this scripture Pierre…… 1Cor 8:4 we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but “ONE”. Now tell me Pierre do you truly believe scriptures when you see them? do you really love truth? or only what you can piece together in your own mind. Show us ONE scripture where Jesus ever said, he was a GOD or he was the God that was “IN” him, You act Like you love truth but it appears you actually hate it. Because you do not except what God the father said about Himself , and Jesus said about Him , and what the apostles also said about God either. Nor the scriptures
I just posted either.

Gene

October 20, 2013 at 7:56 pm#359797