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Hi CO,
Paul preached the gospel of Jesus.
1Cor4
2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Nick.
God commisioned Paul to preach Christ Jesus to the nations. This was not the same message that Jesus Christ taught to Israel. This was our discussion… You said Jesus teachings were to the nations also. I repeatedly said “not so”, and quoted Matt.15:24 dozens of times.
Let me repeat again, Jesus teachings were for Israel only. Paul was commissioned by God to preach “Christ Jesus” to the nations.
The message of Paul was expanded, to COMPLETE THE WORD OF GOD. (Col.1)Blessings.
I can't keep repeating the same scriptures to you stupid replies. Either say what you mean, with scripture, or just admit your ignorance of scriptue.
Blessings.
Jerry,
Certainly we can glean things from what Jesus taught even though it was not for us? What are some things that do not apply to us that Jesus taught?
It is curious that he was commissioned for Israel only. Why is that?
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,17:27) Jerry, Certainly we can glean things from what Jesus taught even though it was not for us? What are some things that do not apply to us that Jesus taught?
It is curious that he was commissioned for Israel only. Why is that?
MandySince the Jew were the chosen people, Yeshua had to first bring the good news of the kingdom to them. But that is all it means.
However, he was not totally limited to just the Jew, the Centurions servant is an example of this.
Paul says the message was to the Jew first and then to the (Gentile) world, fulfilling the commision of Yeshua to go into all the world and teach all things that he had said unto them, making disciples.
The Gospel of the Kingdom Yeshua taught is the same Gospel the Apostles taught. The only difference is he had to do certain things within the limitations of the law until all was fulfilled. This idea that we should pick and choose what to recieve or believe based on who Yeshua was speaking to is not valid IMO.
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Lk 2:14
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,17:27) Jerry, Certainly we can glean things from what Jesus taught even though it was not for us? What are some things that do not apply to us that Jesus taught?
It is curious that he was commissioned for Israel only. Why is that?
Hi not3in1.
You must remeber that in this era, God chose Israel as His “chosen People”, we gentiles were not included, we were without God in the world. We were not included until after the death and ressurrection of Jesus, when yet again the Jews rejected Him. Then God turned to the “nations”. See Acts13:46.
See Eph.2:11-12 for confirmation as to my explanation… 11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.
13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ.I hope this will enlighten you regarding the reason Jesus' message was only to Israel. (Matt.15:24)
God Bless not3in1, Jerry.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 01 2008,17:44) Since the Jew were the chosen people, Yeshua had to first bring the good news of the kingdom to them.
Thanks, Keith.I know I sound like a little kid here, but why? Why were the Jews God's “chosen people”? I thought he didn't show favorites? What was wrong with us?
Quote (chosenone @ July 01 2008,17:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,17:27) Jerry, Certainly we can glean things from what Jesus taught even though it was not for us? What are some things that do not apply to us that Jesus taught?
It is curious that he was commissioned for Israel only. Why is that?
Hi not3in1.
You must remeber that in this era, God chose Israel as His “chosen People”, we gentiles were not included, we were without God in the world. We were not included until after the death and ressurrection of Jesus, when yet again the Jews rejected Him. Then God turned to the “nations”. See Acts13:46.
See Eph.2:11-12 for confirmation as to my explanation… 11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.
13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ.I hope this will enlighten you regarding the reason Jesus' message was only to Israel. (Matt.15:24)
God Bless not3in1, Jerry.
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for wonderful explanation of Gospel of Jesus and Paul. Nice interpretation and I agree with you.
Peace to you
AdamQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 01 2008,17:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,17:27) Jerry, Certainly we can glean things from what Jesus taught even though it was not for us? What are some things that do not apply to us that Jesus taught?
It is curious that he was commissioned for Israel only. Why is that?
MandySince the Jew were the chosen people, Yeshua had to first bring the good news of the kingdom to them. But that is all it means.
However, he was not totally limited to just the Jew, the Centurions servant is an example of this.
Paul says the message was to the Jew first and then to the (Gentile) world, fulfilling the commision of Yeshua to go into all the world and teach all things that he had said unto them, making disciples.
The Gospel of the Kingdom Yeshua taught is the same Gospel the Apostles taught. The only difference is he had to do certain things within the limitations of the law until all was fulfilled. This idea that we should pick and choose what to recieve or believe based on who Yeshua was speaking to is not valid IMO.
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Lk 2:14
Hi WJ.
Notice the deciples never did go to “all tha nations”. May I copy an explanation of Matt.28:16-20
18 This account is principally concerned with the rejection of the kingdom. How fitting that it should close with a preview of its establishment in the coming eon! The place is significant. Satan took Him to a high mountain to show Him the kingdoms of the earth. The transformation was on a mountain. The place speaks of His exaltation. This will not be realized until He comes in glory. He has not yet taken His great power (Un.11:17). The apostles never went out to all nations. On the contrary, Peter was opposed when he went to the proselyte Cornelius (Ac.11:3). They never baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. They used the titles of Christ intelligently when they baptized. They used “Jesus Christ” in baptizing Israelites, “Lord Jesus” for Samaritans (Ac.8:16). They never used “Christ Jesus,” the title of His present heavenly glory. They never used the formula here given because they knew that it was reserved for the future kingdom proclamation. They never discipled the nations, as such. The Lord was not with them till the conclusion of that eon, but left them soon after, when He ascended. This commission cannot be carried out until His return in power and glory to bless all nations through His people Israel.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ July 01 2008,17:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,17:27) Jerry, Certainly we can glean things from what Jesus taught even though it was not for us? What are some things that do not apply to us that Jesus taught?
It is curious that he was commissioned for Israel only. Why is that?
Hi not3in1.
You must remeber that in this era, God chose Israel as His “chosen People”, we gentiles were not included, we were without God in the world. We were not included until after the death and ressurrection of Jesus, when yet again the Jews rejected Him. Then God turned to the “nations”. See Acts13:46.
See Eph.2:11-12 for confirmation as to my explanation… 11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.
13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ.I hope this will enlighten you regarding the reason Jesus' message was only to Israel. (Matt.15:24)
God Bless not3in1, Jerry.
Hi CO,
Context.
Of course this means the saved Gentiles of the nations.
The letter was written to the saints.
We should check context
Eph 1. 1-3
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