The god of deuteronomy 6:4

[mikeboll64]

Bump for WJ

Hi WJ,

You said:

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Mike I haven’t had as much time lately and respond to what I feel to respond to. To be honest we are sick of going in circles with you. You insist that you are right and keep on making what you call unambiguous claims, for instance your total denial that the word “begotten” or “Gennao” the equivalent of Yalad has other meanings rather than “procreation”, even though the Apostle Paul a Hebrew of the Hebrews who had access to the LXX and spoke the language contradicts you and your counterpart Kathi agrees the words have different meanings.

Everything you posted here is a bunch of bunk and you know it.  Prove where “yalad” doesn't refer to child birth.  

Prove how the TWO and only TWO times Paul used “gennao” figuratively have anything at all to do with Jesus being begotten or even imply that “gennao” doesn't mean “born”.

Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for “gennao”:
1080. gennao ghen-nah'-o from a variation of 1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:–bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

Do you see “procreate”?  Do you see that it can be used LITERALLY or figuratively.  Let's see if we can tell the difference in scripture.

I just skimmed through every one of the 195 times “gennao” is used in the NT.  And guess what?  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM can be translated as “born” or “begotten”.  There are a couple where they are used figuratively, such as this one,

2 Tim 2:23
But reject foolish and ignorant controversies, because you know they breed infighting.

It is infighting that is spoken of as being “born”, but it is the metaphor that is a little “out of the ordinary”, not the actual word “gennao”.

Which bears the question: Can you show me where the word “gennao” doesn't actually mean “born” or “begotten”?

Do you see what I did there?  I used the word “bears” (as in “gives birth”) metaphorically.  I made it sound like “the question” I just asked was actually “born”.  Hmmm…….does than mean in the English language that the word “bear” no longer refers to childbirth?

Instead of running away with claims of “going in circles”, why don't you actually stand up to my claims or admit you cannot refute them?

I'll be waiting for your scripture where “gennao” doesn't mean “born”.  Put up or shut up Keith.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 12 2010,14:18)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2010,14:09) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,08:47) Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 11 2010,15:50) One more thing, if the Holy Spirit is a person then He will be the Father of Jeus, and that is not so, because the Holy Spirit is the essence of God the Father…His Holy Spirit So if the Holy Spirit is not a person then a thing or impersonal force or power concieved Jesus in the womb, right? Unless you believe the Holy Spirit is the Father, do you believe this and if you do then the Holy Spirit is a person right? WJ You know Irene, You bring up an excellent point.  We know the Holy Spirit fathered Jesus inside Mary's womb.  Why does Jesus never call the Holy Spirit “Father”? mike because it's all the same person. all the roles of God are just that… Roles. The holy spirit is a specific role of God, and isn't identified as YHVH The Father…because YHVH The father is the source of all things. The Holy Spirit is his specified wisdom, and truth, that guides and directs. You don't walk into a business meeting and call your boss, Father. He very well may be a father, but you address him accordingly with what role he plays. When refering to The Source and Authority of all things… He is called Father. When addressing his personal wisdom and truth we call him, Holy Spirit. When we address his reflected expression unto creation, manifested in the form of a man…we call him Jesus Christ. His wisdom and truth, and reflected expression, are both subjected to The Source they came from…YHVH The Father.

Hi RM,

I don't know how to respond to most of your posts.  You just string a whole bunch of your beliefs together as if they are scriptural fact.  JA does the same thing, and so I usually just ignore the posts altogether.

For example, let's just take the first thing you said here:

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because it's all the same person. all the roles of God are just that… Roles. The holy spirit is a specific role of God, and isn't identified as YHVH The Father…because YHVH The father is the source of all things. The Holy Spirit is his specified wisdom, and truth, that guides and directs.

Show me ANY of this nonsense scripturally.  Where does the Bible talk about different “roles” that God plays.  Where is it said that the Father is the source of all things BUT His Spirit is his “specified wisdom, etc”?

I saved your phone number, and will call you some Sunday soon.

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,11:17)

Hi Mike, Jesus doesn't call the Holy Spirit “Father” but the Holy Spirit is feminine. He said he would send us the Comforter, Counselor, Helper and She would dwell in us. The Holy Spirit has as one of her traits, YHWH's Spirit. Thus when you receive the Holy Spirit you receive YHWH.

Hi David,

Read what I just posted to RM……….it applies to your post also. Where did Jesus call the comforter a “she”?

Where does scripture say the one of the Holy Spirit's “traits” is YHVH's Spirit?

mike

[RokkaMan]

I'm a more refined RokkaMan now,

but the point of what i've been trying to say is that YHVH directs everything.
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The topic of this post is that The God of deuteronomy is Jesus.

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My refined response is that there is only 1 God, source of all things, and that is YHVH the unknowable.

The Word of God is YHVH communicating his unknowable attributes unto creation in a knowable fashion.

The Word was latered manifested in man and beheld as Jesus Christ The Son.

This doesn't make Jesus God, but makes him like God in everyway.

YHVH God gave him all things.

So if you read deuteronomy and think that it was Jesus/The Word of God… sure it may be right.

but remember, Jesus wasn't Jesus until he was a man.

So you can only call pre-existent Jesus, The Word of God.

and The Word of God isn't God himself, it is God reflecting himself within the constraints of creation.

So it isn't God The Unknowable himself… it is God revealing himself and making himself known.

It's a representation of God within the constraints of creation.

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So The God of Deutoronomy can more accuractely be called, The Word of God… but understand The Word of God is the representation/reflection of YHVH himself.

So yes it is God…represented.

No one, not even angels can be in the presence of The Real YHVH.

YHVH can only express himself, he cannot reveal his true self to anyone…it's like punching a hole thru your computer, so your computer can feel the real you.

We'd die.

[RokkaMan]

It's kind of like God saying… if I could be a part of creation, who and what kind of being would I be….

Then boom, The Word of God manifested.

Then God said, if I could become human, who would I be…

boom, Jesus Christ.

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None of these manifestations are God himself… just representations.

[terraricca]

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Mt 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Mt 11:26 Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure

Pierre

[RokkaMan]

Wow terrica, you're being a jerk for posting the same 2 bible verses on every single post.

[Ed J]

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all Mt 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Mt 11:26 Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

This Post is very similar to this Post. (Click Here)

Do you have any particular reason for Posting these verses?

Ed J
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