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Hebrews 3:1-6:
1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Verse 3 says that the glory of Christ is the glory of the builder. Verse 4 says that the builder is God. Therefore, Christ is God or He receives equal glory with God.
thinker
Hi TT,
So Jesus was faithful and appointed by the Builder God?
i agree and you will find it also shown in 1Cor3.It will be quite a relief to you when you realise you do not need to work so hard to find scriptural support, for God's doctrines are plain.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,07:32) Hi TT,
So Jesus was faithful and appointed by the Builder God?
i agree and you will find it also shown in 1Cor3.It will be quite a relief to you when you realise you do not need to work so hard to find scriptural support, for God's doctrines are plain.
Read the text Nick. It says that the glory of Christ is the glory of the builderQuote For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God It clearly says that Jesus is “counted worthy” of the glory and honor of the builder. It is better for you that you count Jesus worthy than to hold on to your Arian traditions.
thinker
Hi TT,
Because of your false trinity foundation you are so prone to confusing the Father with His Son.
God built the house.The God anointed one, Jesus, is appointed as a Son over his house just as Moses was appointed over his.
Moses built no such house and neither did the Son of God.Quote (thethinker @ July 20 2009,06:16) Hebrews 3:1-6: 1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Verse 3 says that the glory of Christ is the glory of the builder. Verse 4 says that the builder is God. Therefore, Christ is God or He receives equal glory with God.
thinker
I know now why you are a trinitarian. You do not read what is in front of you.The comparaison between building a house, and building all things is evident from the reference material, but you mix them instead of comparing them.
God built all things; Jesus built a house, whose house we are.
Try a good course in remedial reading.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,22:26) Hi TT,
Because of your false trinity foundation you are so prone to confusing the Father with His Son.
God built the house.The God anointed one, Jesus, is appointed as a Son over his house just as Moses was appointed over his.
Moses built no such house and neither did the Son of God.
Nick,
Again It tell you. It says that Christ is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder.thinker
Quote (Paladin @ July 20 2009,23:51) Quote (thethinker @ July 20 2009,06:16) Hebrews 3:1-6: 1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Verse 3 says that the glory of Christ is the glory of the builder. Verse 4 says that the builder is God. Therefore, Christ is God or He receives equal glory with God.
thinker
I know now why you are a trinitarian. You do not read what is in front of you.The comparaison between building a house, and building all things is evident from the reference material, but you mix them instead of comparing them.
God built all things; Jesus built a house, whose house we are.
Try a good course in remedial reading.
If God built all things then Christ cannot be counted worthy of the glory of the builder of anything at all. Yet it says that He is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder of the house. If Christ is counted worthy of the glory of the builder the house then God did NOT build all things. Unless the author to the Hebrews meant to imply that Jesus is God.Try a course in logic!
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 21 2009,03:13) Quote (Paladin @ July 20 2009,23:51) Quote (thethinker @ July 20 2009,06:16) Hebrews 3:1-6: 1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
Verse 3 says that the glory of Christ is the glory of the builder. Verse 4 says that the builder is God. Therefore, Christ is God or He receives equal glory with God.
thinker
I know now why you are a trinitarian. You do not read what is in front of you.The comparaison between building a house, and building all things is evident from the reference material, but you mix them instead of comparing them.
God built all things; Jesus built a house, whose house we are.
Try a good course in remedial reading.
If God built all things then Christ cannot be counted worthy of the glory of the builder of anything at all. Yet it says that He is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder of the house. If Christ is counted worthy of the glory of the builder the house then God did NOT build all things. Unless the author to the Hebrews meant to imply that Jesus is God.Try a course in logic!
thinker
God built all things, but Jesus built a house.Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
Try a remedial course in TRUTH.
thinker……….Abraham was (reckoned) or Counted as righteous , does it say He was righteous or reckoned or counted as righteous. “For God looked for (ONE) righteous man and found none , no not even one, wherefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation”. Therefore GOD was (in) Jesus through the Christos, reconciling the whole world unto himself, He considered Jesus a temple he could indwell and said through Jesus mouth “destory this temple and in three days (I) GOD shall raise it (this temple) up”. There is ONLY ONE GOD Thinker not two or three tribune anything. All who have his spirit in them understand this brother. Dump the TRINITY GARBAGE Brother. Escape the trap of the fallen Churches, who make Jesus a, MAN of SIN, and join in the True Church of God the one Jesus is building through the power of God the FATHER.
peace and much love to you and yours………………………..gene
Paladin said:
Quote God built all things, but Jesus built a house. Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
Try a remedial course in TRUTH.
The “house” that Christ builds is the people of God the Church. Therefore, God built everything but the church. So God does NOT build all things. Unless the author meant to imply that Jesus is God.
Acquaint yourself with the law of non-contradiction.
thinker
Hi TT,
So God was not in Christ when the church was being built.,
They were not one at that time?Implication never proves anything.
Quote (Gene @ July 21 2009,06:53) thinker……….Abraham was (reckoned) or Counted as righteous , does it say He was righteous or reckoned or counted as righteous. “For God looked for (ONE) righteous man and found none , no not even one, wherefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation”. Therefore GOD was (in) Jesus through the Christos, reconciling the whole world unto himself, He considered Jesus a temple he could indwell and said through Jesus mouth “destory this temple and in three days (I) GOD shall raise it (this temple) up”. There is ONLY ONE GOD Thinker not two or three tribune anything. All who have his spirit in them understand this brother. Dump the TRINITY GARBAGE Brother. Escape the trap of the fallen Churches, who make Jesus a, MAN of SIN, and join in the True Church of God the one Jesus is building through the power of God the FATHER. peace and much love to you and yours………………………..gene
Gene,
So when the author to the Hebrews said that Christ is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder He was lying? And Jesus was lying when He said “I will build MY church.” Notice that He did not say that God will build His church. He said “I will build MY church.”The church is Christ's and He Himself builds it. So when it says that He is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder it means exactly that. It means that He has equal honor and glory with God.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2009,11:02) Hi TT,
So God was not in Christ when the church was being built.,
They were not one at that time?Implication never proves anything.
It is Christ's church. He Himself builds it. It is His house and His flesh and blood (Eph. 5)thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2009,11:08) Hi TT,
Jesus is the Head of the church and Lord of all ……..under God.
Lord of all under God is a contradiction. There is only one Lord.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 21 2009,11:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 21 2009,11:02) Hi TT,
So God was not in Christ when the church was being built.,
They were not one at that time?Implication never proves anything.
It is Christ's church. He Himself builds it. It is His house and His flesh and blood (Eph. 5)thinker
thinker…… “unless the LORD shall build the house the weary builders build in vain”. ” Hear o Israel the LORD our GOD is (ONE) LORD”. “For the son of man can do (NOTHING) of Himself> So how could he himself build the church. Did He not tell Peter that GOD the FATHER was the one who reveals truth to US and that was the ROCK that he was going to use to build the church. The Rock is the power of GOD to get into our minds and reveals the truth, just as it did to Peter, and that was the (ROCK) that builds the church. Don't rob Glory that belongs to the FATHER, Jesus our lord never did, saying “I have glorified (YOU) upon the Earth.” Thinker dump the TRINITARIAN Garbage brother and scriptures will fall into place. IMOwith much love and peace to you and yours brother…………….gene
Gene said:
Quote thinker…… “unless the LORD shall build the house the weary builders build in vain”. ” Hear o Israel the LORD our GOD is (ONE) LORD”. Yes Gene. Except the Lord build the house. Jesus is the lord and Hebrews 3 says that He built the house. Do you not trust the author to the Hebrews. It clearly says that Jesus is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder.
Quote Don't rob Glory that belongs to the FATHER, Jesus our lord never did, saying “I have glorified (YOU) upon the Earth.” Thinker dump the TRINITARIAN Garbage brother and scriptures will fall into place. IMO If anyone is robbing the Father it is the author to the Hebrews and it is Jesus. Hebrews says that Jesus is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder. Jesus said, “I will build MY church.”
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 20 2009,19:05) Quote (Gene @ July 21 2009,06:53) thinker……….Abraham was (reckoned) or Counted as righteous , does it say He was righteous or reckoned or counted as righteous. “For God looked for (ONE) righteous man and found none , no not even one, wherefore he took it upon his own arm to bring salvation”. Therefore GOD was (in) Jesus through the Christos, reconciling the whole world unto himself, He considered Jesus a temple he could indwell and said through Jesus mouth “destory this temple and in three days (I) GOD shall raise it (this temple) up”. There is ONLY ONE GOD Thinker not two or three tribune anything. All who have his spirit in them understand this brother. Dump the TRINITY GARBAGE Brother. Escape the trap of the fallen Churches, who make Jesus a, MAN of SIN, and join in the True Church of God the one Jesus is building through the power of God the FATHER. peace and much love to you and yours………………………..gene
Gene,
So when the author to the Hebrews said that Christ is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder He was lying? And Jesus was lying when He said “I will build MY church.” Notice that He did not say that God will build His church. He said “I will build MY church.”The church is Christ's and He Himself builds it. So when it says that He is “counted worthy” of the glory of the builder it means exactly that. It means that He has equal honor and glory with God.
thinker
Hi JackAlso we read…
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.* Be shepherds of “the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. Acts 20:28
WJ
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