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One obvious point to make at this stage is the fact that the earth wouldn’t exist in its current configuration and state if it wasn’t for other things in the universe.
And if I created a virtual world in the game Minecraft, then the foundation could be the software and hardware.
A pillar or foundation to a building is one thing and a person who is a pillar of strength is another. Yet both are pillars.
A man builds his faith upon the true foundation is one thing and the foundation of my house is another.
I’m betting we see this sort of argument if a debate ensues.
Edj……The Foundation of the earth is what supports the earth in it’s present existence, just as the foundation of a building supports it.
The foundation of this earth was laid and created by our “one and only “true God. Just that simple imo.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Matt 13:35
that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
It looks like the Christ used it to mean ‘from the beginning’.
Proclaim…..So how does that support the idea, that, that person saying it, himself existed from the foundations of the earth, just because he was given the ability to know how to speak in parables about thing existing from the foundation of the earth.
Are you trying to force the text to mean Jesus was their at the foundations of the earth? Won’t work
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Proclaim…..
Are you trying to force the text to mean Jesus was their at the foundations of the earth? Won’t workBut it will work…
“the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev 13:8)
Edj……That only means That was the plan God had in mind m “from the very beginning” of creation.
It does not place anyone there but God himself. Again you are forcing the text to say what it does not spicifically say. Assumptions does not make truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Hi Ed J,
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Edj……Was Jesus a “man” approved of GOD? or a preexisting “God man”? , as you believe, even though scripture says “God is not a man” nor is he a son of man”.
Was he the “lamb” of God without blemish or spot? which you also seem to deny.
While you have finally come to acknowledge Jesus is not the “word” of God, you still hold on to theses other false teachings, why is that?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Proclaimer. …..What Jesus would do, existed with God, even before he laid the foundations of this earth, that was his plan from the beginning, but the reality took place when he (Jesus), came into his “only” existence, as a human being “exactly the same way all humans do ” by a human birth process . That’s what it means by , “he was “manifested” in our time” , you or no one else here have never produced a single scripture that shows “any activity” of Jesus, before his birth on this earth, not so much as “one” scripture.
You have allined yourself with all those who preach a Jesus different then the Jesus of the bible, you try to make him appear different then we are, therefore you also stand guilty of preaching the “Satanic”, “doctrine of separation “, by moving the image of “the man”, Jesus away from his identity with his fellow human brothers and sister.
Do you think you will not have to give an account for that just as they will? Repent while there’s time , “there is but “one” God and “one” mediator between God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
You have allined yourself with all those who preach a Jesus different then the Jesus of the bible, you try to make him appear different then we are, therefore you also stand guilty of preaching the “Satanic”, “doctrine of separation “, by moving the image of “the man”, Jesus away from his identity with his fellow human brothers and sister.
Lol. I preach that he was with God in glory before the cosmos, emptied himself, came in the flesh, was obedient to God, died for our sins, and is now back in that glory he had before. It is written Gene. You have to ignore what is written. Simple as that. I only believe this because I read it. Your words I read, but I do not see them in scripture. You talk about the Satanic doctrine of separation. What book did you get that from? My words come from the Bible.
Edj……(1)Was Jesus a “man” approved of GOD? or a preexisting “God man”? , (2)as you believe, even though scripture says “God is not a man” nor is he a son of man”.
Hi Gene, it is good when you ask questions, that is how you learn!
1) “The Spirit of Christ” (the bread from heaven) was born in Bethlehem (the house of bread)
2) Righto, Jesus is God’s Son. Jesus’ Father is God. One is not their own father.
Let’s get a flat earther here for some entertainment.
Proclaimer. ….Mike and Dig4truth, have a lot of bible understanding about somethings, they might not be totally right about everything , but neither are you, so I see no point in rediculing them or anyone else as far as that goes. We all have a lot to learn right?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Proclaimer,
Your statement “I have no free will, so not my fault right?” shows how you have IGNORED ENTIRELY what Gene and I have said regarding “free will”.
The ONLY WAY one could say that there will is one that is free is if one could say that they have had total control over every single factor that has influenced or impacted there life since they were conceived. Such is impossible, totally absurd actually.
You DO NOT HAVE CONTROL over all of your own experiences, and it is those experiences that fuel your own will, to which then directly affects the type of choices/decisions that you make.
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