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T,
There is nothing about the soul being a recorder of anything in Scripture. I am not even sure where your came up with that doctrine. I used Google and obtained a lot of irrelevant results. Can you tell me what doctrine it is from.
KERWIN
SO YOU DO NOT HAVE A VERSE TO MY QUESTION RIGHT ? YES
NOW WHY I SAY IT IS A RECORDER AND AT THE SAME TIME IT IS US ;
1) THE SOUL IS THE SPIRIT GIVEN TO US ALL FROM GOD AND RETURN TO GOD WHEN WE DIE ;
2) THE SOUL IS WHAT IS JUDGED ,NOTHING ELSE AND AFTER WE DIE ,
3) ONLY GOD CAN DESTROY IT ,
4) THE SCRIPTURES SAYS “THE SOUL THAT SIN WILL DIE ” SO IT WILL BE DESTROYED WITHOUT RECEIVING ETERNAL LIFE ,NOW THE HEART IS THE ONE THAT HAS MANY INFLUENCES ;
PS 37:4 Delight yourself in the LORD;
And He will give you the desires of your heart.PR 2:10 For wisdom will enter your heart
And knowledge will be pleasant to your soul;PS 62:10 Do not trust in oppression
And do not vainly hope in robbery;
If riches increase, do not set your heart upon them.
PS 69:32 The humble have seen it and are glad;
You who seek God, let your heart revive.PR 4:4 Then he taught me and said to me,
“Let your heart hold fast my words;
Keep my commandments and live;
PR 4:21 Do not let them depart from your sight;
Keep them in the midst of your heart.
PR 4:23 Watch over your heart with all diligence,
For from it flow the springs of life.AND MANY MORE SCRIPTURES ;FOR THE HEART IS NOT THE SOUL OF MAN ,
PR 2:10 For wisdom will enter your heart
And knowledge will be pleasant to your soul;LOOK WISDOM(TRUE UNDERSTANDING ) WILL ENTER YOUR HEART AND KNOWLEDGE OF IT (WISDOM) WILL BE PLEASANT TO YOUR SOUL ,THE SOUL BEING OUR VERY DEEP PERMANENT INSIDE ,
THIS IS WHY IF YOU HAVE A LOVE FOR TRUTH IN YOUR SOUL YOU ARE WITH CHRIST AND HIS FATHER FOR THEY ARE TRUTH THE SOURCE OF TRUTH
IF YOU DO NOT HAVE TRUTH BUILD IT BRICK BY BRICK TRUTH BY TRUTH ,UNTIL YOUR SOUL IS FULL OF IT , SO THE HEART IS THE FIRST CONNECTION THE SOUL IS THE RECIPIENT OF IT (IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT THAT WAY)
T,
kERWIN
Leviticus 17:11Darby Translation (DARBY)
11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
THIS SCRIPTURE IS FALSE FOR IT IS NOT SUPPORTED IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT THE SOUL OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD ”
IF SO SHOW ONE VERSE
The Darby translation does a literal translation as they translated the word ne·p̄eš that is a form of nephesh. If you look it up you will find that the literal meaning is “a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion “. The translators often choose to interpret it differently. Sometimes that difference is not significant and other times it is.
T,
NOW WHY I SAY IT IS A RECORDER AND AT THE SAME TIME IT IS US ;
1) THE SOUL IS THE SPIRIT GIVEN TO US ALL FROM GOD AND RETURN TO GOD WHEN WE DIE ;
2) THE SOUL IS WHAT IS JUDGED ,NOTHING ELSE AND AFTER WE DIE ,
3) ONLY GOD CAN DESTROY IT ,
4) THE SCRIPTURES SAYS “THE SOUL THAT SIN WILL DIE ” SO IT WILL BE DESTROYED WITHOUT RECEIVING ETERNAL LIFE ,Even if I agree with your points I do not see how you reach the conclusion that the soul is a recorder from them.
KERWIN
The Darby translation does a literal translation as they translated the word ne·p̄eš that is a form of nephesh. If you look it up you will find that the literal meaning is “a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion “. The translators often choose to interpret it differently. Sometimes that difference is not significant and other times it is.
THIS IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE WHOLE SCRIPTURES ,AND SO IT IS NOT TRUE ,IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT IT IS YOUR VIEW AND PROBLEM ,EVEN WITHIN THE OWN TRANSLATION IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ;
BUT JUST AS NOT ALL ARE LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH IN ALL SCRIPTURES SO THIS IS ANOTHER USELESS ARGUMENT ,
IF YOU HAVE TRUTH IT MEANS THAT ALL YOU SAY AS TO BE IN SCRIPTURES ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ,BUT NOT TOTALLY CONTRADICTORY TO ALL ,
IT IS MY WAY TO EXPRESS IT I SAY IT IS A RECORDER AS LONG AS WE ARE ALIVE UNTIL WE DIE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT ,IN THIS WAY IT IS ONLY A RECORDER BUT THE DAY WE DIE IT IS “US” WITH ALL WE DONE GOOD AND BAD AND BE JUDGED BY IT ,
KERWIN
Ecc 2:1 I thought in my heart, “Come now, I will test you with pleasure to find out what is good.” But that also proved to be meaningless.
Ecc 2:2 “Laughter,” I said, “is foolish. And what does pleasure accomplish?”
Ecc 2:3 I tried cheering myself with wine, and embracing folly—my mind still guiding me with wisdom. I wanted to see what was worthwhile for men to do under heaven during the few days of their lives.
Ecc 2:4 I undertook great projects: I built houses for myself and planted vineyards.
Ecc 2:5 I made gardens and parks and planted all kinds of fruit trees in them.
Ecc 2:6 I made reservoirs to water groves of flourishing trees.
Ecc 2:7 I bought male and female slaves and had other slaves who were born in my house. I also owned more herds and flocks than anyone in Jerusalem before me.
Ecc 2:8 I amassed silver and gold for myself, and the treasure of kings and provinces. I acquired men and women singers, and a harem as well—the delights of the heart of man.
Ecc 2:9 I became greater by far than anyone in Jerusalem before me. In all this my wisdom stayed with me.
Ecc 2:10 I denied myself nothing my eyes desired;
I refused my heart no pleasure.
My heart took delight in all my work,
and this was the reward for all my labor.
Ecc 2:11 Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done
and what I had toiled to achieve,
everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind;
nothing was gained under the sun.WHAT SOLOMON DID IS SATISFYING HIS HEART ,BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS SOUL ?
Ecc 2:15 Then I thought in my heart,
“The fate of the fool will overtake me also.
What then do I gain by being wise?”
I said in my heart,
“This too is meaningless.”
Ecc 2:16 For the wise man, like the fool, will not be long remembered;
in days to come both will be forgotten.
Like the fool, the wise man too must die!Ecc 12:10 The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.
Ecc 12:11 The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one Shepherd.
Ecc 12:12 Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.
Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.
Ecc 12:13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.LK 11:31 “The Queen of the South will rise up with the men of this generation at the judgment and condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here
T,
IT IS MY WAY TO EXPRESS IT I SAY IT IS A RECORDER AS LONG AS WE ARE ALIVE UNTIL WE DIE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT ,IN THIS WAY IT IS ONLY A RECORDER BUT THE DAY WE DIE IT IS “US” WITH ALL WE DONE GOOD AND BAD AND BE JUDGED BY IT ,
I do not see how the choice of using idea of recorder expresses what Scripture says about the soul.
K
THIS IS THE BEST WAY I CAN EXPLAIN IT ;IF YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES WITH A TRUE HEART NOT RELIGION YOU WILL COM TO THE SAME CONCLUSION ,
I HAVE GIVEN YOU SCRIPTURES SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEART AND SOUL ,BUT THIS IS ONLY WITH SCRIPTURES
Terricca……..None of what you posted in Ecc. shows a heart is separate from a soul, where do you come up with all this at, it certainly is not scriptural. Just as you have never produced scriptures showing any soul is separate from a body. Why can’t you find one scripture that specifically says a man’s soul is separate from his body. You say you are a recorder on the one hand,but you inturpet scripture to fit you own religious convictions every time , just the same as others here do. Why force the text to say what it is obviously not saying?
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
gene
it is time for you to answer to mountain of questions that you never answer ,before i will answer you again ,for it is always the same questions you are asking for years and never answer me on my questions ,
so this conversation with you is over until you answer my questions in all the topics
Kerwin
I do not see how the choice of using idea of recorder expresses what Scripture says about the soul.
read the scriptures i have given you and read them slowly and with great care ,and ask yourself ,what does it say ? and what does it not say , and then ask yourself why can man be killed in the flesh but only God can kill them both the flesh and the soul ,now ask you the question why does Christ separate those two ? and those two have nothing to do with the spirit of man (mind /desires/wills in the heart)
T,
The soul is the essential human being and humanity does not have the means to kill the soul. Only God has the means.
K
The soul is the essential human being and humanity does not have the means to kill the soul. Only God has the means.
i HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ;IT LOOKS LIKE YOU TALK A LANGUAGE FROM ANOTHER PLANET ,PLEASE WHAT DOES IT MEAN BEING THE ESSENTIAL HUMAN BEING ? AND WHO IS HUMANITY ? WHAT ANIMAL IS THAT ? AND ALL OF THAT RELATED TO THE SOUL ? GOD HAS A SOUL AS WELL IS HE IN THAT SITUATION ?
ARE YOU SO EDUCATED THAT YOU HAVE TO USE AND ONLY CAN USE EXPRESSIONS THAT REALLY DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING IN IT SELF ,
YOU CREATE AN ABYSS BETWEEN YOU AND ME ,AND I WILL STOP THIS DISCUSSION ,I AM SORRY FOR NOT BEING AT YOUR LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE BUT THATS ALL I HAVE RECEIVED FROM ABOVE ,
T,
Essential as in the core of the human being. It is the best way I can come up with to describe that part of a human that dwells in the tent of its body.
T,
I do not know why you think anything I said was not common language. If you could aid me to say what I desire with what you see as common language then feel free to do so. Thank you.
T,
get me scriptures that use your words,
Are you confessing you do not understand Scriptures?
If you are not then you meant give me passages in Scripture that express the meaning of your words.
You can find them yourself as the word soul is used to speak of the person in many cases in Scripture to the extent that many translators interpret it as word to do with the whole man. We also know that it is the soul that sins.
K
Are you confessing you do not understand Scriptures?
If you are not then you meant give me passages in Scripture that express the meaning of your words.
You can find them yourself as the word soul is used to speak of the person in many cases in Scripture to the extent that many translators interpret it as word to do with the whole man. We also know that it is the soul that sins.
AND NO IT IS NOT THE WORD SOUL THAT I QUESTION BUT YOU KNOW THAT ,
AND IF YOU REALLY WANT ME TO CONFESS THAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES ;I CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW ,BUT THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU IN A DEEP HOLE DOES IT FOR YOU ARE STILL EVEN LESS THAN WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND FROM SCRIPTURES FOR YOU ONLY HAVE YOUR VERY OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION AND VIEWS BASED ON WHAT MEN IS FEEDING YOU ;I AT THE LEAST KNOW WHAT I KNOW ,BUT YOU SEEM TO CHANGE AS YOU GO ,
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME KERWIN IS THAT I DO NOT CARE OF THIS WORLD AT ALL ,WHILE YOU ARE VERY MUCH ATTACHED TO IT ,
YOUR EGO SHOWS THAT IN YOUR WORDS
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