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Terricca…….Now that is your interpretation , Jesus seemed to disagree with you , he said he was not a spirit, because he had flesh and bones, which spirits do not. He also said that it was his body raised from the grave, even told Thomas to touch him and feel his body for proof that it was indeed him. There is no scripture that says our soul is separate from our bodies.
Peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Hi GB,
And there are none that say they are one.
You assume Jesus was still as Thomas saw him when he was taken up into heaven?
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom
Gene
1CO 6:17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. WHAT IS IT IN MAN THAT CAN JOIN WITH THE lORD ? IS IT NOT THE SPIRIT /MIND/HEART OF MAN ? YES
MT 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
NOW WE ALL KNOW THE FLESH TURN TO DUST AND MEN CAN KILL MEN BUT CAN MEN KILL THE SOUL OF MEN ? NO ,NOT ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ;
NOW ;Ge 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
TELL ME GENE WHAT WAS ADAM BEFORE HE RECEIVED THE BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS ? WAS HE A LIVING SOUL ? OR NOT
PLEASE USE SCRIPTURES ,why are you not answering Gene ?
Terricca……First of all it doesn’t say that, that is how you inturpet it to fit you misguided understanding. Check out the word used there for SOUL, you will find it’s true meaning is SPIRIT. MAN CAN NOT BY KILLING US COMPLETE DISTORY US FOR EVER , BECAUSE GOD CAN RESURECTED OUR BODIES AND ADD SPIRIT BACK INTO IT, JUST AS HE DID JESUS, AND WE WILL AGAIN JUST AS JESUS DID, BECAME A LIVING SOUL AGAIN. On the other Hand God can destroy us completely in the Grave by not resurrecting us.
The Greek language mixes up the word soul, with spirit , but what does scripture say a LIVING SOUL IS, Gen 2:7 says……”and the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and “MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL” . Now does it say God add a soul to the flesh of the man as you assume “NO” IT DOES NOT SAY THAT, IT SAYS THE COMPLETE MAN HIMSELF BECAME A “LIVING SOUL”, NOT PART OF HIM.
HOW CLEARLY, HOW SIMPLE, EVEN A CHILD CAN SEE THAT THE COMPLETE “MAN” IS WHAT A LIVING “SOUL” IS. It is the complete person not just “part” of him, as you falsely believe.
Scripture also says, when a man dies his thoughts parish, he is no longer alive , the soul does not exist without the body, no matter how much mystery religious beliefs you have come to except. When your dead you are truly dead no matter what false teachings you have come to believe in, Jesus himself said clearly he was dead and “NOW” IS A LIVE FOREEVER, What part of Jesus words you don’t believe he meant.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Nick……And you have no scripture that says he was changed to something else, nor do you have a scripture that says the word man does not mean a physical body person either. Jesus said he still was a son of man, and all son of man have physical bodies, just as it says “and he (God) gives it a “body” of it own. No scripture say a human body is inferior to anykind of bodies God has created. As I have said before ADAM AND EVE could have lived fore fer in the bodies God made for them, just as God himself said. Why do you have a problem with a physical body in the first place Nick, God the Father seemed to think it was good, why can’t you?
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
gENE
MT 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
WHY IS IT THAT ONLY MEN CAN “KILLTHE BODY MEANING ” THE FLESH ” AND NOT “THE SOUL”
SHOW ME SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS MEN CAN KILL THE SOUL ? IF NOT YOU ARE LOST IN YOUR OPINIONS
GENE
HOW CLEARLY, HOW SIMPLE, EVEN A CHILD CAN SEE THAT THE COMPLETE “MAN” IS WHAT A LIVING “SOUL” IS. It is the complete person not just “part” of him, as you falsely believe.
BEFORE CALLING OTHERS CHILDISH AND DISTRIBUTORS OF FALSE INFO ;LOOK AT YOURSELF AND TELL ME BEFORE ADAM GOT THE BREATH IN HIS NOSTRILS WAS HE A DEAD SOUL ? FOR HE ONLY BECAME A LIVING ONE AFTER HE START BREATHING THROUGH HIS NOSTRILS RIGHT ?
ARE YOU GOING INSULT ME AGAIN AND CHANGE THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOUR OPINIONS ? CAN’T TAKE THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURES RIGHT ?
Gene,
The soul is the complete person
You are all statement. All statements can be disproved by just one exception.
“The soul is in the blood” use of soul therefore disproves your claim.K
how are those scriptures fit in your view ?
GE 49:6 “ Let my soul not enter into their council; what was it that entered in the council ‘his blood”?
Let not my glory be united with their assembly;
Because in their anger they slew men,GE 35:18 It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.
would this mean that Sarra was bled to death ?DT 10:12 “ Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
would the above scripture mean that we have to love god with ALL OUR HEART AND BLOOD ? YOUR STATEMENT IS FALSE ;
LEV 17:11 ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’
LEV 17:14 “ For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is identified with its life. Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, ‘You are not to eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.’THOSE SCRIPTURES ABOVE SHOW YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING ;RIGHT ?
T,
GE 49:6 “ Let my soul not enter into their council; what was it that entered in the council ‘his blood”?
Let not my glory be united with their assembly;
Because in their anger they slew men,This one is speaking of the desires of the person as the body is irrelevant. For example the bodies of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were in the council of the wicked and yet they did not sin for their desires were not in agreement with the wicked.
Where is written the soul is in the blood many translators interpret it as meaning life. Soul seems to have different meanings in different contexts.
KERWIN
I SHOW YOU THAT LIFE IS NOT TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS “SOUL”
SHOW ME THAT THE SCRIPTURES TEACH THAT ;I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE ; ALL MEN ARE LIARS
T,
GE 35:18 It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.
would this mean that Sarra was bled to death ?Scripture does not say the soul is the blood it is instead saying the soul is in the blood. So that means the soul is departing from her blood.
When Scripture speaks of the soul being in the blood it is speaking of dead animals so technically the soul has already left the animal at that time.
KERWIN
Scripture does not say the soul is the blood it is instead saying the soul is in the blood. So that means the soul is departing from her blood.
When Scripture speaks of the soul being in the blood it is speaking of dead animals so technically the soul has already left the animal at that time.
SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURES WHAT YOU ARE WAITING FOR ;YOU KNOW I CAN NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOUR OPINION IS
T,
I SHOW YOU THAT LIFE IS NOT TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS “SOUL”
SHOW ME THAT THE SCRIPTURES TEACH THAT ;I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE ; ALL MEN ARE LIARS
All men that live by flesh nature are liars but those who live by the Spirit speak truth.
From what I have seen translators either do not consistently live by the Spirit or always by the flesh nature so the fact there are humans that are always truthful is irrelevant.
It is the opinion of most translators that soul means life in the context of Leviticus 17:11 and other passages that use the clause the soul is in the blood. Dary and Jubilee2000 are two exceptions I found. I cannot see a better interpretation of soul in the context but something is loss when you do not allow your readers to interpret it themselves.
Leviticus 17:11Darby Translation (DARBY)
11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
Leviticus 17:11New English Translation (NET Bible)
11 for the life of every living thing is in the blood. So I myself have assigned it to you on the altar to make atonement for your lives, for the blood makes atonement by means of the life.
T,
DT 10:12 “ Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
This seems harder to understand as both heart and soul are both about desires. It is also not the whole person as then there would be no need to say “heart”. The least complicated possibility I can come up with it that is basically instructing God’s people to serve him with the desires of both the spirit and soul. If you can come up with a better one then feel free to share.
KERWIN
Lev 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.niv
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.kjv
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. NASV
Lev 17:11 for the life of any creature is in its blood. I have given you the blood so you can make atonement for your sins. It is the blood, representing life, that brings you atonement.NLT
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh atonement by reason of the life.
11 For the life of flesh is its blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for its blood shall make atonement for the soul. LXX
MSG ©
for the life of an animal is in the blood. I have provided the blood for you to make atonement for your lives on the Altar; it is the blood, the life, that makes atonement.
BBE ©
For the life of the flesh is in its blood; and I have given it to you on the altar to take away your sin: for it is the blood which makes free from sin because of the life in it.
NRSV ©
For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement.
NKJV ©
‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’for the life of every living thing 1 is in the blood. 2 So I myself have assigned it to you 3 on the altar to make atonement for your lives, for the blood makes atonement by means of the life. 4
NET © Notes
1 tn Heb “the life of the flesh.” Here “flesh” stands for “every living thing,” that is, all creatures (cf. NIV, NRSV, NLT “every creature”; CEV “every living creature.”
2 tn Heb “for the soul/life (נֶפֶשׁ, nefesh) of the flesh, it is in the blood” (cf. the note of v. 10 above and v. 14 below). Although most modern English versions begin a new sentence in v. 11, “For the life of the flesh is in the blood” (see, e.g., NJPS, NASB, NIV, NRSV), the כִּי (ki, “for, because”) at the beginning of the verse suggests continuation from v. 10, as the rendering here indicates (see, e.g., NEB, NLT; J. E. Hartley, Leviticus [WBC], 261; and G. J. Wenham, Leviticus [NICOT], 239).
sn This verse is a well-known crux interpretum for blood atonement in the Bible. The close association between the blood and “the soul/life [נֶפֶשׁ] of the flesh [בָּשָׂר, basar]” (v. 11a) begins in Gen 9:2-5 (if not Gen 4:10-11), where the Lord grants man the eating of meat (i.e., the “flesh” of animals) but also issues a warning: “But flesh [בָּשָׂר] with its soul/life [נֶפֶשׁ], [which is] its blood, you shall not eat” (cf. G. J. Wenham, Genesis [WBC], 1:151 and 193). Unfortunately, the difficulty in translating נֶפֶשׁ consistently (see the note on v. 10 above) obscures the close connection between the (human) “person” in v. 10 and “the life” (of animals, 2 times) and “your (human) lives” in v. 11, all of which are renderings of נֶפֶשׁ. The basic logic of the passage is that (a) no נֶפֶשׁ should eat the blood when he eats the בָּשָׂר of an animal (v. 10) because (b) the נֶפֶשׁ of בָּשָׂר is identified with the blood that flows through and permeates it (v. 11a), and (c) the Lord himself has assigned (i.e., limited the use of) animal blood, that is, animal נֶפֶשׁ, to be the instrument or price of making atonement for the נֶפֶשׁ of people (v. 11b). See the detailed remarks and literature cited in R. E. Averbeck, NIDOTTE 2:693-95, 697-98.
3 tn Heb “And I myself have given it to you.”
4 tn Heb “for the blood, it by (בְּ, bet preposition, “in”] the life makes atonement.” The interpretation of the preposition is pivotal here. Some scholars have argued that it is a bet of exchange; that is, “the blood makes atonement in exchange for the life [of the slaughtered animal]” (see R. E. Averbeck, NIDOTTE 2:694-95, 697 for analysis and criticism of this view). It is more likely that, as in the previous clause (“your lives”), “life/soul” (נֶפֶשׁ, nefesh) here refers to the person who makes the offering, not the animal offered. The blood of the animal makes atonement for the person who offers it either “by means of” (instrumental bet) the “life/soul” of the animal, which it symbolizes or embodies (the meaning of the translation given here); or perhaps the blood of the animal functions as “the price” (bet of price) for ransoming the “life/soul” of the person.I AM SORRY BUT I AM NOT NAIVE EITHER ; YOUR SCRIPTURE IS A LIE AND IF YOU BELIEVE IT THEN YOU BELIEVE LIES ,IF YOU PREACH THAT YOU ARE A FALSE PREACHER ;
FOR THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES WOULD BE BROKEN AND YOU CANNOT SEE THAT ? HAVE YOU ANY TRUTH IN YOU ?DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF LOVE PRESENT YOUR FELLOW MEN WITH DECEIVING CONTENT THAT YOU KNOW IS A DECEIT ? IF YOU ARE LIVING IN THE TRUTH THEN SHOW IT ,IF NOT I DO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE CANNOT SHOW WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ,
KERWIN
T,
DT 10:12 “ Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
This seems harder to understand as both heart and soul are both about desires. It is also not the whole person as then there would be no need to say “heart”. The least complicated possibility I can come up with it that is basically instructing God’s people to serve him with the desires of both the spirit and soul. If you can come up with a better one then feel free to share.
IN FACT IT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE HEART IS NOT THE SOUL THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS
YOUR APPLICATION THAT THEY ARE BOTH HAVE DESIRES IS REALLY NOT TRUTH ONLY OUR MIND AND HEART AS THEM ,OUR SOUL IS THE RECORDER OF YOUR PERMANENT DESIRES ,FOR THAT BECOMES YOU AND YOU WILL BE JUDGE ON IT ,THE HEART IS NOT JUDGED IT IS THE SOUL ,WE HAVE TO JUDGE OUR OWN HEART ,FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO ,
T,
I AM SORRY BUT I AM NOT NAIVE EITHER ; YOUR SCRIPTURE IS A LIE AND IF YOU BELIEVE IT THEN YOU BELIEVE LIES ,IF YOU PREACH THAT YOU ARE A FALSE PREACHER ;
FOR THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES WOULD BE BROKEN AND YOU CANNOT SEE THAT ? HAVE YOU ANY TRUTH IN YOU ?DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF LOVE PRESENT YOUR FELLOW MEN WITH DECEIVING CONTENT THAT YOU KNOW IS A DECEIT ? IF YOU ARE LIVING IN THE TRUTH THEN SHOW IT ,IF NOT I DO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE CANNOT SHOW WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ,
You are leaving out part of your answer so I have no real idea what Scripture you do not believe. Are you accusing Lev 17:11 of being a lie? I assume you mean certain translations of it if that is the case. What translations do you disagree with? Why do you disagree with them?
kERWIN
Leviticus 17:11Darby Translation (DARBY)
11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
THIS SCRIPTURE IS FALSE FOR IT IS NOT SUPPORTED IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT THE SOUL OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD ”
IF SO SHOW ONE VERSE
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