The fear of jesus

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Believe in God. believe also in me.[jn14]
No mention of your 'greater' master.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,15:36)

Hi BD, You come claiming love of Jesus but undermine his words and try to divide the body of Christ so who is your real master?

How can I undermine words I support?

Now I ask you how can I divide what is already divided?

Do you believe what thinker believes or what gene believes or what Kathi believes? Do you not all claim Christ yet there is no consistent belief in God.

Is the Body Broken?

God has love for those who do right and have faith.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,15:44)

Hi BD, Believe in God. believe also in me.[jn14] No mention of your 'greater' master.

All prophets say the same thing Believe in God and follow me.

(4) Say: “obey Allah and His messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #32)

Aal-e-Imran

59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.
60 The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
61 If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: “Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!”
62 This is the true account: There is no god except Allah. and Allah.He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Where did other prophets say FOLLOW ME?

Your own offered human words are watery gruel.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,16:17)

Hi BD, Where did other prophets say FOLLOW ME? Your own offered human words are watery gruel.

Your kidding right?

Moses was their leader and got their laws by command of God as told by Moses

Abraham whole family and all his servants got circumcised by the command of the Lord as told by Abraham

Noah preached the command of the lord and those who did not follow him perished.

Prophets bring the words of God and the people who believe follow the guidance of the prophet. Did you think that God was talking to every individual and teaching them seperately if that was the case belief for everyone would be pretty easy right?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Did Moses say FOLLOW ME as you claim?
Even Jews do not follow Moses.

You offer no true prophet but another guru.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2009,18:07)

Hi BD, Did Moses say FOLLOW ME as you claim? Even Jews do not follow Moses. You offer no true prophet but another guru.

They follow the laws of Moses.

Moses taught them the law therefore to obey the Law is to be a follower of God and Moses

Just as to obey the commands of Jesus is to be a follower of God and Jesus.

That is why you call Jesus lord and God Lord, Abrahm was called lord and so was Moses but the fact is God is the OVER LORD so we obey those sent by God cause we believe in God and who He has sent.

Jews don't believe that Jesus was their Messiah in-fact he is listed with them as one of many false prophets of his time.

Are they going to Hell?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Moses pointed to Jesus as Jesus showed the men on the way to Emmaeus.

Jesus is the final decision point for all men.
Foundation stone or stumbling stone.

[GeneBalthrop]

BD………..You say you except Jesus; words , then why lie and not except them. He said (HE) was the bread sent from Heaven, that whosoever ate of (took to himself) His sacrifice and the word he spoke, would have eternal life. Do you really believe His words as you say you do?

peace and love………………………..gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ June 24 2009,02:12)

BD………..You say you except Jesus; words , then why lie and not except them. He said (HE) was the bread sent from Heaven, that whosoever ate of (took to himself) His sacrifice and the word he spoke, would have eternal life. Do you really believe His words as you say you do? peace and love………………………..gene

How have I lied?

You don't seem to believe the words of Jesus you seem to be more inclined to interpret Paul to your own understanding.

The bottom line is this:

If you were Jesus who would you be worshipping?
I worship what Jesus worships.

Did Jesus mention any other partners with God that we should worship as God?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Through Jesus you can approach God's throne.
Otherwise you are on your own.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2009,13:28)

Hi BD, Through Jesus you can approach God's throne. Otherwise you are on your own.

That's not what scripture says, is it Nick?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Yes in Hebrews 10.22 written to those safely in the arms of the shepherd.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2009,13:52)

Hi BD, Yes in Hebrews 10.22 written to those safely in the arms of the shepherd.

Hebrews 10:22 (New King James Version)

22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

This sounds like Islam Nick, Praise God! I do believe you are getting it.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,10:49)

Quote (Gene @ June 24 2009,02:12) BD………..You say you except Jesus; words , then why lie and not except them. He said (HE) was the bread sent from Heaven, that whosoever ate of (took to himself) His sacrifice and the word he spoke, would have eternal life. Do you really believe His words as you say you do? peace and love………………………..gene How have I lied? You don't seem to believe the words of Jesus you seem to be more inclined to interpret Paul to your own understanding. The bottom line is this: If you were Jesus who would you be worshipping? I worship what Jesus worships. Did Jesus mention any other partners with God that we should worship as God?

No, BD, Jesus did not say that he was God nor did he say that anyone should worship him as God.

But God said the following about Jesus:

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Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Does the God that you worship also say that Jesus is “The Son of the living God”?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ June 25 2009,13:56)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,10:49) Quote (Gene @ June 24 2009,02:12) BD………..You say you except Jesus; words , then why lie and not except them. He said (HE) was the bread sent from Heaven, that whosoever ate of (took to himself) His sacrifice and the word he spoke, would have eternal life. Do you really believe His words as you say you do? peace and love………………………..gene How have I lied? You don't seem to believe the words of Jesus you seem to be more inclined to interpret Paul to your own understanding. The bottom line is this: If you were Jesus who would you be worshipping? I worship what Jesus worships. Did Jesus mention any other partners with God that we should worship as God? No, BD, Jesus did not say that he was God nor did he say that anyone should worship him as God. But God said the following about Jesus: Quote Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?   Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.   Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.   Does the God that you worship also say that Jesus is “The Son of the living God”? Love in Christ, Marty

No it says that Jesus is the living Christ because God does not sire children and I believe you know that Mary was a woman and Jesus is her son. God did not have sex with Mary, He created Jesus with power.

(1) The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #59)

now keep in mind that Adam is also called the son of God

Luke 3 (King James Version)

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

(1) It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is.
( سورة مريم , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #35)

(5) 'And Exalted is the majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
( سورة الجن , Al-Jinn, Chapter #72, Verse #3)

1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (King James Version)

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

(4) They say: “(Allah) hath begotten a Son” :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #116)

(31) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the Son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a Son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

(38) They do blaspheme who say: “(Allah) is Christ the Son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,14:08)

Quote (942767 @ June 25 2009,13:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,10:49) Quote (Gene @ June 24 2009,02:12) BD………..You say you except Jesus; words , then why lie and not except them. He said (HE) was the bread sent from Heaven, that whosoever ate of (took to himself) His sacrifice and the word he spoke, would have eternal life. Do you really believe His words as you say you do? peace and love………………………..gene How have I lied? You don't seem to believe the words of Jesus you seem to be more inclined to interpret Paul to your own understanding. The bottom line is this: If you were Jesus who would you be worshipping? I worship what Jesus worships. Did Jesus mention any other partners with God that we should worship as God? No, BD, Jesus did not say that he was God nor did he say that anyone should worship him as God. But God said the following about Jesus: Quote Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?   Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.   Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.   Does the God that you worship also say that Jesus is “The Son of the living God”? Love in Christ, Marty No it says that Jesus is the living Christ because God does not sire children and I believe you know that Mary was a woman and Jesus is her son. God did not have sex with Mary, He created Jesus with power. (1) The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.   (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #59) now keep in mind that Adam is also called the son of God Luke 3 (King James Version) 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. (1) It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is.   (  سورة مريم  , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #35) (5) 'And Exalted is the majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.   (  سورة الجن  , Al-Jinn, Chapter #72, Verse #3) 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (King James Version) 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (4) They say: “(Allah) hath begotten a Son” :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #116) (31) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the Son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a Son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171) (38) They do blaspheme who say: “(Allah) is Christ the Son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.   (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)

Hi BD:

Then the God you worship cannot be the same God that Jesus worshipped. God does not say one thing through one prophet and something else through another.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ June 25 2009,14:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,14:08) Quote (942767 @ June 25 2009,13:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,10:49) Quote (Gene @ June 24 2009,02:12) BD………..You say you except Jesus; words , then why lie and not except them. He said (HE) was the bread sent from Heaven, that whosoever ate of (took to himself) His sacrifice and the word he spoke, would have eternal life. Do you really believe His words as you say you do? peace and love………………………..gene How have I lied? You don't seem to believe the words of Jesus you seem to be more inclined to interpret Paul to your own understanding. The bottom line is this: If you were Jesus who would you be worshipping? I worship what Jesus worships. Did Jesus mention any other partners with God that we should worship as God? No, BD, Jesus did not say that he was God nor did he say that anyone should worship him as God. But God said the following about Jesus: Quote Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?   Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.   Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.   Does the God that you worship also say that Jesus is “The Son of the living God”? Love in Christ, Marty No it says that Jesus is the living Christ because God does not sire children and I believe you know that Mary was a woman and Jesus is her son. God did not have sex with Mary, He created Jesus with power. (1) The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.   (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #59) now keep in mind that Adam is also called the son of God Luke 3 (King James Version) 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. (1) It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is.   (  سورة مريم  , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #35) (5) 'And Exalted is the majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.   (  سورة الجن  , Al-Jinn, Chapter #72, Verse #3) 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (King James Version) 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (4) They say: “(Allah) hath begotten a Son” :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #116) (31) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the Son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a Son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171) (38) They do blaspheme who say: “(Allah) is Christ the Son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.   (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72) Hi BD: Then the God you worship cannot be the same God that Jesus worshipped.  God does not say one thing through one prophet and something else through another. Love in Christ, Marty

If not then you should follow the law because Paul said that God told him something different than Jesus and Jesus said God told him something different than Moses otherwise the woman would have been stoned for adultery.

God always communicates to His prophets the most basic and the most abstract in this way the hypocrites are always exposed.

Jesus even declared some former forbidden foods clean. Paul declared the Everlasting Covenant of circumcision unnecessary.

I am teaching you the truth my brother, God willing, you will listen

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Just because you cannot align Paul with Jesus and the body of Christ only shows you do not share the Spirit and it does not give you any right to recommend men go back to Moses and the prophets.

Have you?

You seem lost in the wilderness desperate to undermine any faith anywhere

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,14:20)

Quote (942767 @ June 25 2009,14:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,14:08) Quote (942767 @ June 25 2009,13:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 25 2009,10:49) Quote (Gene @ June 24 2009,02:12) BD………..You say you except Jesus; words , then why lie and not except them. He said (HE) was the bread sent from Heaven, that whosoever ate of (took to himself) His sacrifice and the word he spoke, would have eternal life. Do you really believe His words as you say you do? peace and love………………………..gene How have I lied? You don't seem to believe the words of Jesus you seem to be more inclined to interpret Paul to your own understanding. The bottom line is this: If you were Jesus who would you be worshipping? I worship what Jesus worships. Did Jesus mention any other partners with God that we should worship as God? No, BD, Jesus did not say that he was God nor did he say that anyone should worship him as God. But God said the following about Jesus: Quote Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?   Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.   Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.   Does the God that you worship also say that Jesus is “The Son of the living God”? Love in Christ, Marty No it says that Jesus is the living Christ because God does not sire children and I believe you know that Mary was a woman and Jesus is her son. God did not have sex with Mary, He created Jesus with power. (1) The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.   (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #59) now keep in mind that Adam is also called the son of God Luke 3 (King James Version) 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. (1) It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is.   (  سورة مريم  , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #35) (5) 'And Exalted is the majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.   (  سورة الجن  , Al-Jinn, Chapter #72, Verse #3) 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (King James Version) 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (4) They say: “(Allah) hath begotten a Son” :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #116) (31) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the Son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a Son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171) (38) They do blaspheme who say: “(Allah) is Christ the Son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.   (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72) Hi BD: Then the God you worship cannot be the same God that Jesus worshipped.  God does not say one thing through one prophet and something else through another. Love in Christ, Marty If not then you should follow the law because Paul said that God told him something different than Jesus and Jesus said God told him something different than Moses otherwise the woman would have been stoned for adultery. God always communicates to His prophets the most basic and the most abstract in this way the hypocrites are always exposed. Jesus even declared some former forbidden foods clean. Paul declared the Everlasting Covenant of circumcision unnecessary. I am teaching you the truth my brother, God willing, you will listen

Hi BD:

And so, by what scriptures are you saying that Paul said that God told him something different than Jesus?

Jesus said:

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Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Did God not have mercy on David after he had committed adultery with Bathsheba?

But in addition, in the OT under the Law of Moses judgment was rendered at the time of the transgression, and in the NT judgment will be withheld until the last day. Jesus did not stone the woman caught in adultery, but he said to her go and sin no more.

And no, Jesus did not change any dietary laws.
There is a misunderstanding that he did, but no, he did not.

And no, you may think that you are telling me the truth, but you have been deceived. Without the blood to wash away your sins, you will perish.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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