"The False Prophet" of Revelation is Muhammad

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  • #850464
    Ed J
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    Follow the example of Yeshua.

    Hi Miia,

    Jesus was eating with the people he redeemed. If a muslim were
    to repent of islam – I too would surely eat with them if invited.

    But to eat the ramadan meal, which celebrates Muhammad
    receiving the quran, is blasphemy against what the bible teaches.

    I wish you had eyes to this grievous error on your part

    #850465
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Ed I don’t think it’s a big deal. Anyway I don’t eat with anyone except family. We are not to judge what people believe, full stop.

    #850466
    Ed J
    Participant

    islam is the evil the bible speaks of,
    when you you have eyes to see?

    #850467
    Miia
    Participant

    A Christian’s job is to love people. Sometimes that’s hard. For example I am upset by cruelty to animals. But judgment is up to God.

    #850468
    Miia
    Participant

    Ed, you say

    islam is the evil the bible speaks of,
    when you you have eyes to see?

    I disagree. It is just a religion to me, no different than Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc.

    Each person stands alone at judgment and answers to God alone.

    #850469
    Ed J
    Participant

    islam is the evil the bible speaks of,
    when you you have eyes to see?

    I disagree. It is just a religion to me, no different than Judaism or Hinduism etc.

    Hi Miia,

    Well, that’s where you are wrong

    #850470
    Miia
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Muhummad did not allow images in worship. Eliminates him immediately.

    #850471
    Miia
    Participant

    What is worship and could we be worshiping technology without realizing?

    Is ‘worship’ of the image of the beast in Revelation symbolic?

    #850472
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Muhummad did not allow images in worship. Eliminates him immediately.

    Really?

    Why do Muslims have to bow down to the kaaba 5 times a day then?

    #850473
    Ed J
    Participant

    Is ‘worship’ of the image of the beast in Revelation symbolic?

    No

    the beast is islam, nothing symbolic about islam

    #850474
    Miia
    Participant

    Ed they don’t bow down to the ‘kabba’. That’s only some of them much like SOME Catholics bow down to statues.

    Almost the whole world BOWS DOWN TO THE INTERNET!

    Out of everyone I know, I only know a few people who DO NOT have the internet /www or TV.

    I have it on my conscience that these few people I know might be (some of) the only ones left who have not (or no longer) bowed down to the beast!

    #850475
    Berean
    Participant

     

    2a) How Muhammad got his start – (2b) the fallen angel Lucifer delivering the quran
    to Muhammad OPENING POST (Rev 13:13) and – (2c) Muhammad’s end (how Muhammad died).

     

    Edj

    Muhammad has nothing to do with Revelation 13:13

    The false prophet of Revelation 13 is a false prophet that SPEAK FOR THE FIRST BEAST (FALSE PAPAL RELIGION)

    ISLAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY.

    Read well

     

    And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    [12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    [13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

    The work of the false prophet>>>

    >>…..and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,…..<<<

    THE FALSE PROPHET SPEAK

    FOR THE FIRST BEAST…

    DO MUHAMMAD SPEAK FOR THE THE BEAST ???

    CAN MUHAMMAD (ISLAMIC’S NATIONS) APPLY THE PROGRAM TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT IS DESCRIBED IN REVELATION 13:11-18)???? 😟

     

     

    #850478
    Berean
    Participant

    Islamists worship a false God, a God who doesn’t need a mediator.
    Jesus said that no one can go to the Father except through him.
    One cannot go to God without going through the merits of Christ’s righteousness.

    Colossians 2
    [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
    [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    Christ is a savior/Lord divino/Human

    #850479
    Ed J
    Participant

    Almost the whole world BOWS DOWN TO THE INTERNET!

    Hi Miia,

    Are you bowing down to the telephone too when you make a call?

    #850480
    Berean
    Participant

    The Internet is an instrument, a prodigious “crutch” that God has allowed to spread His Eternal Gospel. …But it is a double-edged sword. …which can become an “idol” when it is not used for the glory of God.
    The beast is a kingdom with a king,
    the false prophet of Revelation 13 WILL SPEAK LIKE A DRAGON For the whole world to worship the beast(1nd)

    #850483
    Ed J
    Participant

    the false prophet of Revelation 13 WILL SPEAK LIKE A DRAGON For the whole world to worship the beast(1nd)

    Hi Berean,

    Yes the two horns are ‘sunni and shiite’ – he claims to speak for God, but want’s
    to slay Christians and Jews. And worshiping the first beast is ‘World Conquest’.

    pretty simple in retrospect.
    Nobody seen it coming but God
    All the pieces fit together completely

    #850484
    Berean
    Participant

    Yes, the two horns are “Sunni and Shiite” – he claims to speak in the name of God, but he wants to
    to kill Christians and Jews. And the cult of the first beast is the “Conquest of the World”.

    Quite simple in retrospect.
    No one saw it coming except God
    All parts fit together completely.

    Edj

    That’s your interpretation ….

    Read the text:

    Revelation 13…
    I saw another beast rise up out of the earth, having two horns like a lamb, and speaking like a dragon. (Second Bible)

    And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (KJBible)

    THIS BEAST COMES AFTER THE FIRST BEAST CHRONOLOGICALLY.
    The first beast was wounded in 1798 by Napoleon. It lasted 42 prophetic months or 1260 years. (538-1798)
    “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; AND POWER WAS GIVEN TO HIM TO CONTUNUE FORTY AND TWO MONTHS.”

    EDJ
    ISLAM as an Ottoman Empire was not formed towards the end of the 18th century. Rather, the United States of America was formed around that time (1776).

    Horns like those of a lamb
    at the base symbolizes the fact that we are dealing with Christian states (republican and protestant) with the separation of powers, the religious not dominating civil and political power.
    But when the US comes to
    talk like a dragon, that
    will mean that the religious (apostate protestantism ) will dominate the political power as in Europe at the time of the papal supremacy. ( first beast)
    Religious freedom will be undermined by intolerant and injust laws.

    Yes, the two horns are “Sunni and Shiite” – he claims to speak in the name of God, but he wants to
    to kill Christians and Jews. And the cult of the first beast is the “Conquest of the World”.

    Quite simple in retrospect.
    No one saw it coming except God
    All parts fit together completely.

    Edj

    That’s your interpretation ….

    Read the text:

    Revelation 13…
    I saw another beast rise up out of the earth, having two horns like a lamb, and speaking like a dragon. (Second Bible)

    And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (KJBible)

    THIS BEAST COMES AFTER THE FIRST BEAST CHRONOLOGICALLY.
    The first beast was wounded in 1798 by Napoleon. It lasted 42 prophetic months or 1260 years. (538-1798)
    “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; AND POWER WAS GIVEN TO HIM TO CONTUNUE FORTY AND TWO MONTHS.”

    EDJ
    ISLAM as an Ottoman Empire was not formed towards the end of the 18th century. Rather, the United States of America was formed around that time (1776).

    Horns like those of a lamb
    at the base symbolizes the fact that we are dealing with Christian states (republican and protestant) with the separation of powers, the religious not dominating civil and political power.
    But when the US comes to
    talk like a dragon, that
    will mean that the religious (apostate protestantism ) will dominate the political power as in Europe at the time of the papal supremacy. ( first beast)
    Religious freedom will be undermined by intolerant and unjust laws. And this will be extended to the whole world, as it is written in the rest of chapter 13.

     

    #850505
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean and Edj…….Nothing in Revelations has to do with any “religious” powers, it is speaking of , world ruling milatary and  economic  powers. Different religions are in all the those kingdoms, and always has been. Islam rather Sunnie or Shiite, can’t even rule themselves much less the whole world.  Both your problems are,  you both have your minds in religions and not on true world rulling milatary and economic  powers. 

    The kingdom of God is not about religions issues, it about true world rulling powers,  when Jesus returns it will not be because of religions, it will be about world rulling power,  both milatary and economic powers,  No religion has ever ruled the whole world,  then or now.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

    #850506
    Berean
    Participant

    The Apostasy of the Christian church

    The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great
    apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power. He declared
    that the day of Christ should not come, “except there come a falling away first, and that
    man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above
    all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of
    God, showing himself that he is God.” [2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, 7.] And furthermore,
    the apostle warns his brethren that “the mystery of iniquity doth already work.” [2
    Thessalonians 2:3, 4, 7.] Even at that early date he saw, creeping into the church,
    errors that would prepare the way for the development of the papacy.
    Little by little, at first in stealth and silence, and then more openly as it increased
    in strength and gained control of the minds of men, the mystery of iniquity carried
    forward its deceptive and blasphemous work. Almost imperceptibly the customs of
    heathenism found their way into the Christian church. The spirit of compromise
    and conformity was restrained for a time by the fierce persecutions which the church
    endured under paganism. But as persecution ceased, and Christianity entered the courts
    and palaces of kings, she laid aside the humble simplicity of Christ and his apostles
    for the pomp and pride of pagan priests and rulers; and in place of the requirements of
    God, she substituted human theories and traditions. The nominal conversion of Constantine, in the early part of the fourth century, caused great
    rejoicing; and the world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked into the church.
    Now the work of corruption rapidly progressed. Paganism, while appearing to be
    vanquished, became the conqueror. Her spirit controlled the church. Her doctrines,
    ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the
    professed followers of Christ.
    This compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development
    of the “man of sin” foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God.
    That gigantic system of false religion is a masterpiece of Satan’s power,—a monument
    of his efforts to seat himself upon the throne to rule the earth according to his will.
    Satan once endeavored to form a compromise with Christ. He came to the Son of
    God in the wilderness of temptation, and, showing him all the kingdoms of the world
    and the glory of them, offered to give all into his hands if he would but acknowledge
    the supremacy of the prince of darkness. Christ rebuked the presumptuous tempter,
    and forced him to depart. But Satan meets with greater success in presenting the same
    temptations to man. To secure worldly gains and honors, the church was led to seek
    the favor and support of the great men of earth, and having thus rejected Christ, she
    was induced to yield allegiance to the representative of Satan,—the bishop of Rome.
    It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible head
    of the universal church of Christ, invested with supreme authority over bishops and
    pastors in all parts of the world. More than this, the pope has arrogated the very titles
    of Deity. He styles himself “Lord God the Pope,” assumes infallibility, and demands
    that all men pay him homage. Thus the same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness
    of temptation is still urged by him through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are
    ready to yield him homage.
    But those who fear and reverence God meet this Heaven-daring assumption as
    Christ met the solicitations of the wily foe: “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and
    him only shalt thou serve.” [Luke 4:8.] God has never given a hint in his Word that he
    has appointed any man to be the head of the church. The doctrine of papal supremacy
    is directly opposed to the teachings of the Scriptures. The pope can have no power
    over Christ’s church except by usurpation.
    Romanists have persisted in bringing against Protestants the charge of heresy,
    and willful separation from the true church. But these accusations apply rather to
    themselves. They are the ones who laid down the banner of Christ, and departed from
    “the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” [Jude 3.]
    Satan well knew that the Holy Scriptures would enable men to discern his
    deceptions and withstand his power. It was by the Word that even the Saviour of the
    world had resisted his attacks. At every assault, Christ presented the shield of eternal
    truth, saying, “It is written.” To every suggestion of the adversary, he opposed the
    wisdom and power of the Word. In order for Satan to maintain his sway over men,
    and establish the authority of the papal usurper, he must keep them in ignorance of
    the Scriptures. The Bible would exalt God, and place finite men in their true position;
    therefore its sacred truths must be concealed and suppressed. This logic was adopted by
    the Roman Church. For hundreds of years the circulation of the Bible was prohibited.
    The people were forbidden to read it or to have it in their houses, and unprincipled
    priests and prelates interpreted its teachings to sustain their pretensions. Thus the
    pope came to be almost universally acknowledged as the vicegerent of God on earth,
    endowed with authority over Church and State.
    The detector of error having been removed, Satan worked according to his will.
    Prophecy had declared that the
    papacy was to “think to change times and laws.” [Daniel 7:25.] This work it was not
    slow to attempt. To afford converts from heathenism a substitute for the worship of
    idols, and thus to promote their nominal acceptance of Christianity, the adoration of
    images and relics was gradually introduced into the Christian worship. The decree of a
    general council [Second Council of Nice, A.D. 787.] finally established this system of
    idolatry. To complete the sacrilegious work, Rome presumed to expunge from the law
    of God the second commandment, forbidding image worship, and to divide the tenth
    commandment, in order to preserve the number.
    The spirit of concession to paganism opened the way for a still further disregard of
    Heaven’s authority. Satan tampered with the fourth commandment also, and essayed to
    set aside the ancient Sabbath, the day which God had blessed and sanctified, [Genesis
    2:2, 3.] and in its stead to exalt the festival observed by the heathen as “the venerable
    day of the sun.” This change was not at first attempted openly. In the first centuries the
    true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians. They were jealous for the honor of God,
    and, believing that his law is immutable, they zealously guarded the sacredness of its
    precepts. But with great subtlety, Satan worked through his agents to bring about his
    object. That the attention of the people might be called to the Sunday, it was made a
    festival in honor of the resurrection of Christ. Religious services were held upon it; yet
    it was regarded as a day of recreation, the Sabbath being still sacredly observed.
    To prepare the way for the work which he designed to accomplish, Satan had led
    the Jews, before the advent of Christ, to load down the Sabbath with the most rigorous
    exactions, making its observance a burden. Now, taking advantage of the false light
    in which he had thus caused it to be regarded, he cast contempt upon it as a Jewish
    institution. While Christians continued to observe the Sunday
    as a joyous festival, he led them, in order to show their hatred of Judaism, to make the
    Sabbath a fast, a day of sadness and gloom.
    In the early part of the fourth century, the emperor Constantine issued a decree
    making Sunday a public festival throughout the Roman Empire.
    1.] The day of the sun was reverenced by his pagan subjects, and was honored by
    Christians; it was the emperor’s policy to unite the conflicting interests of heathenism
    and Christianity. He was urged to do this by the bishops of the church, who, inspired
    by ambition, and thirst for power, perceived that if the same day was observed by both
    Christians and the heathen, it would promote the nominal acceptance of Christianity
    by pagans, and thus advance the power and glory of the church. But while Christians
    were gradually led to regard Sunday as possessing a degree of sacredness, they still
    held the true Sabbath as the holy of the Lord, and observed it in obedience to the fourth
    commandment.
    The arch-deceiver had not completed his work. He was resolved to gather the
    Christian world under his banner, and to exercise his power through his vicegerent, the
    proud pontiff who claimed to be the representative of Christ. Through half-converted
    pagans, ambitious prelates, and world-loving churchmen, he accomplished his
    purpose. Vast councils were held, from time to time, in which the dignitaries of
    the church were convened from all the world. In nearly every council the Sabbath
    which God had instituted was pressed down a little lower, while the Sunday was
    correspondingly exalted. Thus the pagan festival came finally to be honored as a
    divine institution, while the Bible Sabbath was pronounced a relic of Judaism, and
    its observers were declared to be accursed.
    The great apostate had succeeded in exalting himself “above all that is called God,
    or that is worshiped.” [2 Thessalonians 2:4.] He had dared to change the only precept
    of the divine law that unmistakably points all mankind to the true and living
    God. In the fourth commandment, God is revealed as the Creator of the heavens and the
    earth, and is thereby distinguished from all false gods. It was as a memorial of the work
    of creation that the seventh day was sanctified as a rest-day for man. It was designed to
    keep the living God ever before the minds of men as the source of being and the object
    of reverence and worship. Satan strives to turn men from their allegiance to God, and
    from rendering obedience to his law; therefore he directs his efforts especially against
    that commandment which points to God as the Creator.
    Protestants now urge that the resurrection of Christ on Sunday made it the Christian
    Sabbath. But Scripture evidence is lacking. No such honor was given to the day by
    Christ or his apostles. The observance of Sunday as a Christian institution had its origin
    in that “mystery of lawlessness” [2 Thessalonians 2:7, Revised Version.] which, even
    in Paul’s day, had begun its work. Where and when did the Lord adopt this child of
    the papacy? What valid reason can be given for a change which the Scriptures do not
    sanction?
    In the sixth century the papacy had become firmly established. Its seat of power
    was fixed in the imperial city, and the bishop of Rome was declared to be the head over
    the entire church. Paganism had given place to the papacy. The dragon had given to the
    beast “his power, and his seat, and great authority.” [Revelation 13:2; See appendix,
    note 2.] And now began the 1260 years of papal oppression foretold in the prophecies
    of Daniel and the Revelation. [Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:5-7.] Christians were forced
    to choose, either to yield their integrity and accept the papal ceremonies and worship,
    or to wear away their lives in dungeons or suffer death by the rack, the fagot, or the
    headsman’s ax. Now were fulfilled the words of Jesus, “Ye shall be betrayed both by
    parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to
    be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.” [Luke 21:16,17.]

    Persecution opened upon the faithful with greater fury than ever before, and the world
    became a vast battle-field. For hundreds of years the church of Christ found refuge in
    seclusion and obscurity. Thus says the prophet: “The woman fled into the wilderness,
    where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two
    hundred and threescore days.” [Revelation 12:6.]
    The accession of the Roman Church to power marked the beginning of the Dark
    Ages. As her power increased, the darkness deepened. Faith was transferred from
    Christ, the true foundation, to the pope of Rome. Instead of trusting in the Son of
    God for forgiveness of sins and for eternal salvation, the people looked to the pope,
    and to the priests and prelates to whom he delegated authority. They were taught that
    the pope was their earthly mediator, and that none could approach God except through
    him, and, further, that he stood in the place of God to them, and was therefore to
    be implicitly obeyed. A deviation from his requirements was sufficient cause for the
    severest punishment to be visited upon the bodies and souls of the offenders. Thus
    the minds of the people were turned away from God to fallible, erring, and cruel
    men, nay more, to the prince of darkness himself, who exercised his power through
    them. Sin was disguised in a garb of sanctity. When the Scriptures are suppressed, and
    man comes to regard himself as supreme, we need look only for fraud, deception, and
    debasing iniquity. With the elevation of human laws and traditions, was manifest the
    corruption that ever results from setting aside the law of God.
    Those were days of peril for the church of Christ. The faithful standard-bearers
    were few indeed. Though the truth was not left without witnesses, yet at times it
    seemed that error and superstition would wholly prevail, and true religion would be
    banished from the earth. The gospel was lost sight of, but the forms of religion were
    multiplied, and the people were burdened with rigorous exactions.
    They were taught not only to look to the pope as their mediator, but to trust to
    works of their own to atone for sin. Long pilgrimages, acts of penance, the worship of
    relics, the erection of churches, shrines, and altars, the payment of large sums to the
    church,—these and many similar acts were enjoined to appease the wrath of God or to
    secure his favor; as if God were like men, to be angered at trifles, or pacified by gifts
    or acts of penance!
    Notwithstanding that vice prevailed, even among the leaders of the Romish Church,
    her influence seemed steadily to increase. About the close of the eighth century, papists
    put forth the claim that in the first ages of the church the bishops of Rome had possessed
    the same spiritual power which they now assumed. To establish this claim, some means
    must be employed to give it a show of authority; and this was readily suggested by the
    father of lies. Ancient writings were forged by monks. Decrees of councils before
    unheard of were discovered, establishing the universal supremacy of the pope from
    the earliest times. And a church that had rejected the truth, greedily accepted these
    deceptions.
    The few faithful builders upon the true foundation [1 Corinthians 3:10, 11.] were
    perplexed and hindered, as the rubbish of false doctrine obstructed the work. Like the
    builders upon the wall of Jerusalem in Nehemiah’s day, some were ready to say, “The
    strength of the bearers of burdens is decayed, and there is much rubbish, so that we
    are not able to build.” [Nehemiah 4:10.] Wearied with the constant struggle against
    persecution, fraud, iniquity, and every other obstacle that Satan could devise to hinder
    their progress, some who had been faithful builders became disheartened; and for the
    sake of peace and security for their property and their lives they turned away from
    the true foundation. Others, undaunted by the opposition of their enemies, fearlessly
    declared, “Be not ye afraid of them; remember the Lord, which is great and terrible;
    [Nehemiah 4:14.] and they
    proceeded with the work, every one with his sword girded by his side. [Ephesians
    6:17.]
    The same spirit of hatred and opposition to the truth has inspired the enemies of
    God in every age, and the same vigilance and fidelity have been required in his servants.
    The words of Christ to the first disciples are applicable to his followers to the close of
    time: “What I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.” [Mark 13:37.]
    The darkness seemed to grow more dense. Image worship became more general.
    Candles were burned before images, and prayers were offered to them. The most
    absurd and superstitious customs prevailed. The minds of men were so completely
    controlled by superstition that reason itself seemed to have lost her sway. While
    priests and bishops were themselves pleasure-loving, sensual, and corrupt, it could
    only be expected that the people who looked to them for guidance would be sunken in
    ignorance and vice.
    Another step in papal assumption was taken, when, in the eleventh century,
    Pope Gregory VII. proclaimed the perfection of the Romish Church. Among the
    propositions which he put forth, was one declaring that the church had never erred,
    nor would it ever err, according to the Scriptures. But the Scripture proofs did
    not accompany the assertion. The proud pontiff next claimed the power to depose
    emperors, and declared that no sentence which he pronounced could be reversed by
    any one, but that it was his prerogative to reverse the decisions of all others.
    A striking illustration of the tyrannical character of this advocate of infallibility was
    given in his treatment of the German emperor, Henry IV. For presuming to disregard
    the pope’s authority, this monarch was declared to be excommunicated and dethroned.
    Terrified by the desertion and threats of his own princes, who were encouraged in
    rebellion against him by the papal mandate, Henry felt the necessity of making his
    peace with Rome. In company
    with his wife and a faithful servant, he crossed the Alps in midwinter, that he might
    humble himself before the pope. Upon reaching the castle whither Gregory had
    withdrawn, he was conducted, without his guards, into an outer court, and there, in
    the severe cold of winter, with uncovered head and naked feet, and in a miserable
    dress, he awaited the pope’s permission to come into his presence. Not until he had
    continued three days fasting and making confession, did the pontiff condescend to
    grant him pardon. Even then it was only upon condition that the emperor should await
    the sanction of the pope before resuming the insignia or exercising the power of royalty.
    And Gregory, elated with his triumph, boasted that it was his duty “to pull down the
    pride of kings.”
    How striking the contrast between the overbearing pride of this haughty pontiff and
    the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who represents himself as pleading at the door
    of the heart for admittance, that he may come in to bring pardon and peace, and who
    taught his disciples, “Whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant.”
    The advancing centuries witnessed a constant increase of error in the doctrines
    put forth from Rome. Even before the establishment of the papacy, the teachings of
    heathen philosophers had received attention and exerted an influence in the church.
    Many who professed conversion still clung to the tenets of their pagan philosophy,
    and not only continued its study themselves, but urged it upon others as a means of
    extending their influence among the heathen. Serious errors were thus introduced into
    the Christian faith. Prominent among these was the belief in man’s natural immortality
    and his consciousness in death. This doctrine laid the foundation upon which Rome
    established the invocation of saints and the adoration of the virgin Mary. From this
    sprung also the heresy of eternal torment for the finally impenitent, which was early
    incorporated into the papal faith.
    Then the way was prepared for the introduction of still
    another invention of paganism, which Rome named purgatory, and employed to terrify
    the credulous and superstitious multitudes. By this heresy is affirmed the existence of
    a place of torment, in which the souls of such as have not merited eternal damnation
    are to suffer punishment for their sins, and from which, when freed from impurity, they
    are admitted to Heaven.
    Still another fabrication was needed to enable Rome to profit by the fears and
    the vices of her adherents. This was supplied by the doctrine of indulgences. Full
    remission of sins, past, present, and future, and release from all the pains and penalties
    incurred, were promised to all who would enlist in the pontiff’s wars to extend his
    temporal dominion, to punish his enemies, or to exterminate those who dared deny his
    spiritual supremacy. The people were also taught that by the payment of money to the
    church they might free themselves from sin, and also release the souls of their deceased
    friends who were confined in the tormenting flames. By such means did Rome fill her
    coffers, and sustain the magnificence, luxury, and vice of the pretended representatives
    of Him who had not where to lay his head.
    The scriptural ordinance of the Lord’s supper had been supplanted by the idolatrous
    sacrifice of the mass. Papist priests pretended, by their senseless mummery, to convert
    the simple bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Christ. With blasphemous
    presumption, they openly claimed the power of “creating God, the Creator of all
    things.” All Christians were required, on pain of death, to avow their faith in this
    horrible, Heaven-insulting heresy. Multitudes who refused were given to the flames.
    In the thirteenth century was established that most terrible of all the engines of the
    papacy,—the Inquisition. The prince of darkness wrought with the leaders of the papal
    hierarchy. In their secret councils, Satan and his angels controlled the minds of evil
    men, while unseen in the midst stood an angel of God, taking the fearful record of their
    iniquitous decrees, and writing the history of deeds too
    horrible to appear to human eyes. “Babylon the great” was “drunken with the blood
    of the saints.” The mangled forms of millions of martyrs cried to God for vengeance
    upon that apostate power.
    Popery had become the world’s despot. Kings and emperors bowed to the decrees
    of the Roman pontiff. The destinies of men, both for time and for eternity, seemed
    under his control. For hundreds of years the doctrines of Rome had been extensively
    and implicitly received, its rites reverently performed, its festivals generally observed.
    Its clergy were honored and liberally sustained. Never since has the Roman Church
    attained to greater dignity, magnificence, or power.
    The noontide of the papacy was the world’s moral midnight. The Holy Scriptures
    were almost unknown, not only to the people, but to the priests. Like the Pharisees
    of old, the papist leaders hated the light which would reveal their sins. God’s law,
    the standard of righteousness, having been removed, they exercised power without
    limit, and practiced vice without restraint. Fraud, avarice, and profligacy prevailed.
    Men shrank from no crime by which they could gain wealth or position. The palaces
    of popes and prelates were scenes of the vilest debauchery. Some of the reigning
    pontiffs were guilty of crimes so revolting that secular rulers endeavored to depose
    these dignitaries of the church as monsters too vile to be tolerated. For centuries
    Europe had made no progress in learning, arts, or civilization. A moral and intellectual
    paralysis had fallen upon Christendom.
    The condition of the world under the Romish power presented a fearful and striking
    fulfillment of the words of the prophet Hosea: “My people are destroyed for lack of
    knowledge; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee; … seeing thou
    hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” “There is no truth,
    nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. By swearing, and lying, and killing, and
    stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.” [Hosea
    4:6, 1, 2.] Such were the results of banishing the Word of God.

    #850508
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean….Thanks for the history lesson,  but understand this, .There is (NO)  real,  “man of sin”,  there  “is” (ONLY) a false image created by the fallen church (christanity) , of Jesus being a God,  is Jesus  NOT,  the “Only” human  who has ever entered the “temple of God” and has taken his seat in it, and is Not being worshiped  as God by nearly all Christanity. 

    This “Lie” About Jesus being a God , is what created the “image” of the “man of sin”, and When Jesus returns,   he himself will destroy that “false”  teaching, or “Lie’,  about him.  That simple.

    You people are all going to be caught by suprise, why?, because you are believing in “LIES”,  you  or others are creating.  Jesus was apsolute right when he said his comming would catch the world by suprise.   What are you going to do when suddenly Jesus returns and non of those things are happening , you will be then branded as just another false prophet among thousands who Satan is using to decieve people.

    What I have told you about Rev 17 and Dan 2 :26 is correct, if what you or Edj is saying  does not aline with that, they you simply are a false prophet,

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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