The False “Church System” Deception

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those people will all agree it was a teaching ,but at what level ? if it was so obvious why would Jesus find or take the time to teach his apostles separately on those parables ?)

Yes I acknowledge that you have changed your view on Jesus teaching the crowds which means that your answer must be #2.

If it is still #1, then you are still unaware that Jesus taught the crowds.

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no,I did not change what I said ;you are saying the talking = teaching this can be argued

and you ignored what Jesus said in the scriptures I show you ;why is that ? are those lies ?

you have made up your mind and no one can discuss it ,?

please show your scriptures and mine side by side and give me your view then

Mt 13:34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.

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So you say that Jesus did not teach the crowds. But the scripture clearly refutes this idea as I have already pointed out.

Matthew 7:28
And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them

I have a choice. I either believe you or Matthew who recorded what happened. Since Matthew was there or took the account, then I have to side with him Terr. Please do not be upset about it. Just accept it.

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Mt 13:54 Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked.
Lk 20:1 One day as he was teaching the people in the temple courts and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him.

Mt 7:28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching,
Mt 7:29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law

here are some of that teachings ; can you explain to me what it mean all ?  for those are the same words Jesus spoke to the crowed 

Mt 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Mt 7:8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
Mt 7:9 “Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
Mt 7:10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?
Mt 7:11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
Mt 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

 

Mt 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mt 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

 

Mt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Mt 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mt 7:17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mt 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mt 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mt 7:20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Mt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mt 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Mt 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

7:24-27 pp—;Lk 6:47-49

Mt 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Mt 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Mt 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
Mt 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

those are all parables right ?yes

Mt 13:28 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.

 

so if you are right this scripture is a lie ;if not why ?

you said ;

I have a choice. I either believe you or Matthew who recorded what happened. Since Matthew was there or took the account, then I have to side with him Terr. Please do not be upset about it. Just accept it.

 

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Mt 13:28 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.

Matthew 7:28
And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them

Use your common sense Terr. If both are true, then parables is a form of teaching right?

So Jesus taught the crowds. Don’t let pride get in the way of a simple truth.

I use parables when I teach. They are very effective.

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I told you very clearly what my believes are but you seem not to understand it ,

1) understand this ;if you listen to anyone about anything that you did not know before ,YOU HAVE LEARN SOMETHING and so it was in some way a teaching to you .

2) but if # 1 applies to you then did you have been teached by the person himself of by the words of what he has said ?
i believe you have been reached by the spoken words only not by the teacher .

so in conclusion when the teacher calls you to his private quarters and explain in detail the meanings of what he has said in parables to you then he teaches you to see and understand what the meaning of those spoken words where all about ,

so my question is which teacher would you like to follow the ones in #2 or those that where thought in private by the teacher ?

also understand that the students in # 1 class will only have their own deductions like “IF” he meant this or that to go by ,

while the real class will have the truth in the true meaning of the speech

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Mt 7:28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching,
Mt 7:29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law

in comparison between the teachers of the law and Jesus the people saw the difference in speech

the law teachers where only “reading the scrolls ” Jesus add a twist to it by imaging it but yet the crowds still did not understand the full meanings of what Jesus said ,

and this is my point but because his personal teachings to his disciples they have been given the true understanding of his teachings ,

so my point is that he only teached his apostles so that they got the truth through the true understanding given by Jesus ,

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I told you very clearly what my believes are but you seem not to understand it ,

Okay, clear this up for me then. Did Jesus teach the crowds?

Yes / No / I don’t know.

Let your yes be yes and no be no.

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if i answer yes you will have the wrong conclusion if i say No you have to argue on the very word “teaching” its real meaning and truth

so this is why I give you my explanation and the scriptures to be clear in my understanding of what Jesus said /teach so one more time I cannot answer your question with a yes or NO answer

for again ;if i say yes I have to ask why then he spoke to the crowds in parable and never otherwise ? as scriptures says

now if i say NO” then i have to ask the question did the crowds left the site where the heard the speech of Jesus with the same understanding that the apostles had when Jesus privately explain to them the meanings of all his parables ? so to this i have to say “NO”

so can you tell me the answer yes or no to my questions ?

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Can’t do it can you?

Let your yes be yes and no be no. Anything else is from the Evil One.

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God is my witness t8 you did not answer my question

and i explain in details why I can’t answer yours by yes /no

 

you also misinterpret Jesus words regarding the ‘LET YOUR YES BE YES AND YOUR NO BE NO”

NO ONE CAN STAND against the truth only join it

 

please answer my question

 

 

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You cannot answer my yes no question. Your questions are convenient to try and detract from that. I have no problem answering people’s questions. Just not interested when the reason for the question is to avoid answering your question.

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if i answer yes you will have the wrong conclusion if i say No you have to argue on the very word “teaching” its real meaning and truth

so this is why I give you my explanation and the scriptures to be clear in my understanding of what Jesus said /teach so one more time I cannot answer your question with a yes or NO answer

for again ;if i say yes I have to ask why then he spoke to the crowds in parable and never otherwise ? as scriptures says

now if i say NO” then i have to ask the question did the crowds left the site where the heard the speech of Jesus with the same understanding that the apostles had when Jesus privately explain to them the meanings of all his parables ? so to this i have to say “NO”

so can you tell me the answer yes or no to my questions ?

 

one more time did Matthew  lied;Mt 13:28 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.

 

Jesus did not say anything to them without using parables is this true ? yes or no

 

teach·ing

(tē′chĭng)

n.

1. The act, practice, occupation, or profession of a teacher.

2.

a.Something taught.

b. oftenteachings A precept or doctrine: the teachings of Buddha.

under the sub section a, I agree and yes it is

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I asked you a yes /no question first. I have no problem answering your question, but I require a proper answer first.

I feel you are an argumentative person. I do not see the benefit of arguing against everything just to win. No point. When a good point is made, we should be mature enough to see that. A man who cannot answer yes or no to a fair yes and no question, has something to hide.

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teach·ing

(tē′chĭng)

n.

1. The act, practice, occupation, or profession of a teacher.

2.

a.Something taught.

b. oftenteachings A precept or doctrine: the teachings of Buddha.

under the sub section a, I agree and yes it is – this is my answer

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It doesn’t matter how you define ‘teaching’ or how the dictionary define ‘teaching’, what matters is the Bible says that Jesus taught the crowds.

Matthew 7:28
And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them

You are the one who argues that truth is in scripture and not in pretty much anything else. Now you are turning to other sources to try and disprove this Bible verse?

It is clear what it says and unless the verse is mistranslated, you need to accept it because it is scripture. If not, then you venture down the road of cherry-picking verses that you like and fulfill the scripture that says, they have itching ears. So my question is simple, quick, and easy to answer:

Did Jesus teach the crowds?

Yes / No

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I will say yes ,but it is a conditional yes as I have explained

just to put this to a rest ,

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Marty

 

do you believe this video ?

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I can’t say that I believe every thing that he has stated “word for word”, but I agree with him that the temple spoken of in the last few chapters of the book of Ezekiel was conditional upon Israel’s repentance, not a temple that will be rebuilt in a millenial period, and I also agree with what he is stating regarding the 144,000. I do, however, believe that the Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, will rebuild the temple, and begin offering animal sacrifices again.

Ezekiel 43:

10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.

11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

12 This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.

I posted this because of the discussion that you and T8 were having regarding the 144,000.

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