The divider of Christians

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:05)

Mike, Have you ever read how important the article is to t8 to indicate who is the true theos? I am just making sure he knows that the article belongs to Jesus too. That's all.

And to Satan. So what's YOUR point in this matter?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:10)

Quote Tell me Kathi, when he is called “the theos”, is the word “OF” included in the phrase? Sometimes…like 'church of God' refers to God Jesus. But then there is Jesus is 'God over all' and 'oh the God' spoken by the Father and 'was God' and 'the only begotten God, etc. It just adds to the magnificence of it all.

So then there is no scripture where Jesus is called simply “the theos”?  There is always something that goes along with it, like “the ONLY BEGOTTEN theos”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:44)

Hi Mike, Quote (mikeboll @ 64) Luke 5:8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” The bolded words above are also Stong's 1831, but that doesn't mean Jesus was inside of Peter when he said those words. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe Jesus was brought into existence “from within” his God and Creator – just as all things were. Of course there is this thing called context, Mike.

Agreed.  But this usage of Strong's 1831 just goes to show us all that you can't possibly INSIST UPON your understanding of that word in the case of Jesus coming out “from within” God.

But like I said before, I believe that Jesus DID come out “from within” his Father and God – just like every other living thing did.  So it is a moot point for us anyway.  

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….the begotten Son is God Almighty and servant of God Almighty……

These two things are in opposition to each other, Kathi.  One cannot BE the President, and also the SERVANT OF the President.  I see no scriptural reason why this obvious and logical fact would be different for Almighty God.

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I understand that what you say is sensible but God is beyond our sensible possibilities.

Well, thanks for that!    I've heard the latter part of your statement from many Trinitarians.  The claim that “the things of God don't have to make sense to us” may be true, but it can't honestly be used as any kind of “support” to teaching unscriptural things.  (This is another case where I will argue against words that are true.  Of course it's not really that I'm arguing against those true words, but instead against the untrue claims people are trying to use those true words to support.)

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,13:35)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:05) Mike, Have you ever read how important the article is to t8 to indicate who is the true theos? I am just making sure he knows that the article belongs to Jesus too. That's all. And to Satan.  So what's YOUR point in this matter?

My point is to show him, t8, that he can't use the 'article' or lack of 'article' to determine who is the highest of something or identity of something. He puts WAY TOO MUCH importance on this matter.

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2013,16:16) I believe that you guys are going to be eating crow and I just hope God gives us the right words to help you think MAYBE Jesus is Almighty God so there will be a glimmer of reconsidering and loosening up that stiffened neck of yours. From what I am learning lately…you ought to reconsider sooner than later. Hey Mike. We thought that believing that Jesus was the Son OF God and the Lamb OF God, and the messiah was to believe the truth about who Jesus is. But no, there is another truth that we must embrace sooner rather than later, and if we don't accept it, it sounds to me that believing the other stuff doesn't matter. How's your neck BTW, mine seems fine. Are there crows where you live?

There are crows here, but if you add enough salt, they don't taste too bad.  

And I work construction, hard physical labor, so my neck is often quite stiff.  

But as for this “other truth” we are about to be shown, I suspect it won't be coming from the scriptures.  It will most likely be from the targums, or other writings, and designed to show us how certain Jews understood certain scriptures.

But if Jesus taught us anything at all, it was that the Jewish scribes and teachers didn't understand the scriptures at all.  

Kathi, this “other truth” will be able to be read by us in the SCRIPTURES, right?  Otherwise, what's the use?

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 20 2013,13:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,13:35) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:05) Mike, Have you ever read how important the article is to t8 to indicate who is the true theos? I am just making sure he knows that the article belongs to Jesus too. That's all. And to Satan.  So what's YOUR point in this matter? My point is to show him, t8, that he can't use the 'article' or lack of 'article' to determine who is the highest of something or identity of something. He puts WAY TOO MUCH importance on this matter.

Kathi, I think the point he is making is that they didn't use capital “G's” and lower case “g's” in the Greek scriptures.

They would often (but not always) refer to the Most High God as “THE theos”. And many times, Jehovah is referred to as “THE theos” WITHOUT any other qualifying phrase, such as “only begotten”.

That's why I'm asking if Jesus was ever referred to as “THE theos” – WITHOUT the addition of a qualifying phase.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,13:36)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:10) Quote Tell me Kathi, when he is called “the theos”, is the word “OF” included in the phrase? Sometimes…like 'church of God' refers to God Jesus. But then there is Jesus is 'God over all' and 'oh the God' spoken by the Father and 'was God' and 'the only begotten God, etc. It just adds to the magnificence of it all. So then there is no scripture where Jesus is called simply “the theos”?  There is always something that goes along with it, like “the ONLY BEGOTTEN theos”?

Mike,
Well if He is said to be the God over all, then yes 'over all' goes with it. That makes Jesus the God over all…big G God. Or if it says that He is called the God of the church…well, that makes Jesus the God of the church. So, since scriptures DO say these things about Him, the 'of…' makes it more clear that He, Jesus, is the God over all and the God of the church.

Now, if you don't want Him to be the God of your church that is on your head, but whatever group you do identify as 'church,' it will be headed by another theos not leading you to the Father.

[Lightenup]

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Kathi, this “other truth” will be able to be read by us in the SCRIPTURES, right?

It is all scriptural!!

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These two things are in opposition to each other, Kathi. One cannot BE the President, and also the SERVANT OF the President. I see no scriptural reason why this obvious and logical fact would be different for Almighty God.

And this here is a big road block for you, you will be amazed if you prepare your heart to actually accept this possibility. Pray for God to show you if this is possible.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,01:28)

Quote These two things are in opposition to each other, Kathi.  One cannot BE the President, and also the SERVANT OF the President.  I see no scriptural reason why this obvious and logical fact would be different for Almighty God. And this here is a big road block for you, you will be amazed if you prepare your heart to actually accept this possibility. Pray for God to show you if this is possible.

Kathi

Witch god can I pray That lead me away from the real truth of the true God almighty,???

Are you playing EVE deception

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,01:23)

Quote Kathi, this “other truth” will be able to be read by us in the SCRIPTURES, right? It is all scriptural!!

Kathi

I would say yes to what you say ,But not in the order you present it ,

See,that is we're religion sectarism is build on ,personal interpretation ,

As soon you start personal interpretation ,Christ dies again ,and Gods word is denied again,

And the children of God are killed for those personal reasons.

History in repeat motion ,

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Romans 16:17 (KJV)
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,01:28) Quote These two things are in opposition to each other, Kathi.  One cannot BE the President, and also the SERVANT OF the President.  I see no scriptural reason why this obvious and logical fact would be different for Almighty God. And this here is a big road block for you, you will be amazed if you prepare your heart to actually accept this possibility. Pray for God to show you if this is possible. Kathi Witch god can I pray That lead me away from the real truth of the true God almighty,??? Are you playing EVE deception

You can pray to Jesus.

PS stop praying to the 'witch god.'

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,01:23) Quote Kathi, this “other truth” will be able to be read by us in the SCRIPTURES, right? It is all scriptural!! Kathi I would say yes to what you say ,But not in the order you present it , See,that is we're religion sectarism is build on ,personal interpretation , As soon you start personal interpretation ,Christ dies again ,and Gods word is denied again, And the children of God are killed for those personal reasons. History in repeat motion ,

Huh?

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 22 2013,01:28)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2013,23:28) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,01:28) Quote These two things are in opposition to each other, Kathi.  One cannot BE the President, and also the SERVANT OF the President.  I see no scriptural reason why this obvious and logical fact would be different for Almighty God. And this here is a big road block for you, you will be amazed if you prepare your heart to actually accept this possibility. Pray for God to show you if this is possible. Kathi Witch god can I pray That lead me away from the real truth of the true God almighty,??? Are you playing EVE deception You can pray to Jesus. PS stop praying to the 'witch god.'

Kathi

yes I still slip at times ” which ” I think should be the right word

but I know your better education and understanding of English as been at work so that you have not really mist my understanding of the quote ,right

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 22 2013,01:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2013,23:46) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,01:23) Quote Kathi, this “other truth” will be able to be read by us in the SCRIPTURES, right? It is all scriptural!! Kathi I would say yes to what you say ,But not in the order you present it , See,that is we're religion sectarism is build on ,personal interpretation , As soon you start personal interpretation ,Christ dies again ,and Gods word is denied again, And the children of God are killed for those personal reasons. History in repeat motion , Huh?

Kathi

when you say “its all scriptural ” I understand that you mean that it includes ALL of your new views that you claim to be truth in scriptures ,and so based my answer to this ;

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,13:36) So then there is no scripture where Jesus is called simply “the theos”? Mike, Well if He is said to be the God over all, then yes 'over all' goes with it.

So then, “NO”?

Therefore, it's like Satan being called “THE elohim of Ekron” – since there are always qualifyers in the case of Jesus and Satan?  And the definite article being used for Jesus doesn't imply HE'S God Almighty anymore than the definite article being used for Satan implies HE'S God Almighty, right?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 20 2013,13:28)

Quote These two things are in opposition to each other, Kathi.  One cannot BE the President, and also the SERVANT OF the President.  I see no scriptural reason why this obvious and logical fact would be different for Almighty God. And this here is a big road block for you, you will be amazed if you prepare your heart to actually accept this possibility. Pray for God to show you if this is possible.

Instead of praying that God would “open my eyes” to nonsensical things, I will instead thank Him for the gift of common sense that He gave most of us.

God is one. And the servant of God is another. See? Common sense.

Thank you God (not Gods).

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2013,20:08)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 20 2013,13:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,13:36) So then there is no scripture where Jesus is called simply “the theos”? Mike, Well if He is said to be the God over all, then yes 'over all' goes with it. So then, “NO”? Therefore, it's like Satan being called “THE elohim of Ekron” – since there are always qualifyers in the case of Jesus and Satan?  And the definite article being used for Jesus doesn't imply HE'S God Almighty anymore than the definite article being used for Satan implies HE'S God Almighty, right?

Right and it was never my teaching that the article means that the theos with it meant God Almighty. I do not have a theology based on the article. I only brought it up because t8 has a theology based on the article, it seems.

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 21 2013,15:19)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 22 2013,01:29) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2013,23:46) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,01:23) Quote Kathi, this “other truth” will be able to be read by us in the SCRIPTURES, right? It is all scriptural!! Kathi I would say yes to what you say ,But not in the order you present it , See,that is we're religion sectarism is build on ,personal interpretation , As soon you start personal interpretation ,Christ dies again ,and Gods word is denied again, And the children of God are killed for those personal reasons. History in repeat motion , Huh? Kathi when you say “its all scriptural ” I understand that you mean that it includes ALL of your new views that you claim to be truth in scriptures ,and so based my answer to this ;

terraricca,
You are so obviously stiff necked. When you start slinging mud before you even hear and see…that is a clear sign. I am pretty sure that God would blind your mind to any truth that He has given me because of your attitude shown here. I wouldn't blame Him, either. A stiff neck=not seeing the glorious gospel.

2 Cor 4:4
Those whose intellects The God of this world has blinded, because they do not believe, lest the light of The Gospel of the glory of The Messiah, who is the image of God, should dawn upon them.

Job 17:4
For their heart Thou hast hidden From understanding, Therefore Thou dost not exalt them.

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