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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 11 2012,11:50) edj Quote Do you not believe that YHVH is accessible at all places at the same time? what this suppose to mean
Hi Pierre,Do you need an interpreter?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 11 2012,11:52) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,12:51) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 09 2012,05:04) edj Quote Omnipresent omnipresent [ˌɒmnɪˈprɛzənt]
adj
(esp of a deity) present in all places at the same time
omnipresence ndo you understand this
if you do explain it to me
Sure PIERREAs YHVH is not bound by time – he is not bound by space either.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjthat is not a explanation
Yes, it is.Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2012,12:54) Hi Mike, Do you not believe that YHVH is accessible at all places at the same time?
Ed,“Accessible FROM everwhere” does not equate to “omnipresent”.
Ed,
Did you even read the points I made? Do you agree that if God was truly EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, then God would be everyone and everything, and everyone and everything would be God?
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2012,22:27) Mike,
Finally you admit that there are two theos that we are to know, to believe in, to honor and to serve for our eternal salvation.
Finally? We've already discussed this very thing before, Kathi.Do you agree that one of these gods is the Almighty God who created all things, and the other one is the SERVANT of that first one?
Also, would you comment on this part of my post:
I can also point out the many other gods the Israelites needed to believe in, know, and serve for their salvation throughout history. Such as the god Moses, and the god Deborah, and the god Samuel, etc. Not to mention the spiritual gods that Jehovah sent to the prophets (the ones we normally call “angels”).Kathi, the above gods needed to be believed in, and obeyed to gain salvation, right? Were any of them the very God they were serving? (Or does that asinine reasoning only work in the case of Jesus?)
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2012,22:27) You asked who we are to worship…Jehovah who is the God of gods (the Almighty Father) and the Lord of lords (the Almighty Son).
Hmmmm…………… is that really what Jesus told Satan? It seems to me Jesus was quoting an OT scripture that said “Worship Jehovah your GOD, and serve Him only”. (I see no mention of “Lord” in that OT scripture. Nor do I see the word “THEM”.)And when Jesus quoted it, he said, “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only”, right? (I don't see “your Lord AND your God”, do you? I don't see the word “US”, or “THEM”, do you?)
Kathi, who does Jesus worship, according to the scriptures? Who does Jesus sing a song of praises to?
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,21:29) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 11 2012,11:50) edj Quote Do you not believe that YHVH is accessible at all places at the same time? what this suppose to mean
Hi Pierre,Do you need an interpreter?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjNo,you are playing so this is time out
Mike,
We do not need to know or believe in any theos aside from the Father and the Son for our eternal salvation.I don't believe in Moses although I believe the stories about Moses, the same with Deborah, etc. but I don't believe 'in' them as my theos for my eternal salvation. You are rewriting the gospel if you insist on knowing the angels, Moses and anyone besides the Father and the Son as theos for our eternal salvation.
Also, two theos were involved together in creation, not just one.
Jesus said to “Worship Jehovah your GOD, and serve Him only.” Jehovah is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. If you worship Jehovah, you worship the God of gods and the Lord of lords.
Jesus as a man worships Jehovah the God of gods and He receives worship because He is Jehovah the Lord of lords.
Jesus praises His Father in word or song. He is all about seeking the glory of His Father. The church sings praises to both the Father and the Son and their Spirit.
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 12 2012,23:48) Mike,
We do not need to know or believe in any theos aside from the Father and the Son for our eternal salvation.I don't believe in Moses although I believe the stories about Moses, the same with Deborah, etc. but I don't believe 'in' them as my theos for my eternal salvation. You are rewriting the gospel if you insist on knowing the angels, Moses and anyone besides the Father and the Son as theos for our eternal salvation.
Also, two theos were involved together in creation, not just one.
Jesus said to “Worship Jehovah your GOD, and serve Him only.” Jehovah is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. If you worship Jehovah, you worship the God of gods and the Lord of lords.
Jesus as a man worships Jehovah the God of gods and He receives worship because He is Jehovah the Lord of lords.
Jesus praises His Father in word or song. He is all about seeking the glory of His Father. The church sings praises to both the Father and the Son and their Spirit.
kathiQuote Jesus as a man worships Jehovah the God of gods and He receives worship because He is Jehovah the Lord of lords. NO KATHI,JESUS RECEIVED HONOR NOT WORSHIP AS FOR GOD HIS FATHER ,
you are playing with words like always
Quote Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 12 2012,23:48) Mike,
We do not need to know or believe in any theos aside from the Father and the Son for our eternal salvation.I don't believe in Moses although I believe the stories about Moses, the same with Deborah, etc. but I don't believe 'in' them as my theos for my eternal salvation. You are rewriting the gospel if you insist on knowing the angels, Moses and anyone besides the Father and the Son as theos for our eternal salvation.
Also, two theos were involved together in creation, not just one.
Jesus said to “Worship Jehovah your GOD, and serve Him only.” Jehovah is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. If you worship Jehovah, you worship the God of gods and the Lord of lords.
Jesus as a man worships Jehovah the God of gods and He receives worship because He is Jehovah the Lord of lords.
Jesus praises His Father in word or song. He is all about seeking the glory of His Father. The church sings praises to both the Father and the Son and their Spirit.
kathiQuote Jesus as a man worships Jehovah the God of gods and He receives worship because He is Jehovah the Lord of lords. NO KATHI,JESUS RECEIVED HONOR NOT WORSHIP AS FOR GOD HIS FATHER ,
you are playing with words like always
Oh gee, look Pierre, scripture says Jesus is worshiped and shows Jesus receiving worship. If I were playing with words, I don't believe that I would have so many scriptures that prove that I am not. Think, if worship always meant 'honor' in regards to Jesus, why did the disciples hesitate (some doubted) to show Him 'honor' after He had been resurrected? See Matt 28:16-20.
You are exposed again to be speaking falsely!
Matt 2:1-2
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
KJVMatt 2:7-8
7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
KJVMatt 2:11-12
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshiped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
KJVMatt 8:1-4
When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshiped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
KJVMatt 9:18-35
18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshiped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.19 And Jesus arose, and followed him, and so did his disciples.20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.23 And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.25 But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.26 And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land.27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.31 But they, when they were departed, spread abroad his fame in all that country.32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.33 And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
KJVMatt 14:26-36
26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
34 And when they were gone over, they came into the land of Gennesaret.
35 And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;
36 And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.
KJVMatt 15:21-28
21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshiped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter wa
s made whole from that very hour.
KJVMatt 20:20-28
20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshiped him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
24 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren.
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
KJVMatt 28:8-10
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshiped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
KJVMatt 28:16-20
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJVMark 5:1-20
5 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshiped him,7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.
KJVMark 15:18-20
18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!
19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshiped him.
20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
KJVLuke 24:44 – 53
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshiped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.John 9:30-39
30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvelous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.
34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped him.
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
KJVHeb 1:6
6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
KJVJesus received worship as the Son, not as the Father, nevertheless, He did receive worship according to scripture!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2012,06:14) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2012,12:54) Hi Mike, Do you not believe that YHVH is accessible at all places at the same time?
Ed,“Accessible FROM everwhere” does not equate to “omnipresent”.
Hi Mike,That's what it means to me.
How do you define that word?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2012,06:16) Ed, Did you even read the points I made? Do you agree that if God was truly EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, then God would be everyone and everything, and everyone and everything would be God?
Hi Mike,Everything is from God – right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Lightenup @ Oct. 13 2012,12:21) Quote Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 12 2012,23:48) Mike,
We do not need to know or believe in any theos aside from the Father and the Son for our eternal salvation.I don't believe in Moses although I believe the stories about Moses, the same with Deborah, etc. but I don't believe 'in' them as my theos for my eternal salvation. You are rewriting the gospel if you insist on knowing the angels, Moses and anyone besides the Father and the Son as theos for our eternal salvation.
Also, two theos were involved together in creation, not just one.
Jesus said to “Worship Jehovah your GOD, and serve Him only.” Jehovah is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. If you worship Jehovah, you worship the God of gods and the Lord of lords.
Jesus as a man worships Jehovah the God of gods and He receives worship because He is Jehovah the Lord of lords.
Jesus praises His Father in word or song. He is all about seeking the glory of His Father. The church sings praises to both the Father and the Son and their Spirit.
kathiQuote Jesus as a man worships Jehovah the God of gods and He receives worship because He is Jehovah the Lord of lords. NO KATHI,JESUS RECEIVED HONOR NOT WORSHIP AS FOR GOD HIS FATHER ,
you are playing with words like always
Oh gee, look Pierre, scripture says Jesus is worshiped and shows Jesus receiving worship. If I were playing with words, I don't believe that I would have so many scriptures that prove that I am not. Think, if worship always meant 'honor' in regards to Jesus, why did the disciples hesitate (some doubted) to show Him 'honor' after He had been resurrected? See Matt 28:16-20.
You are exposed again to be speaking falsely!
Matt 2:1-2
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
KJVMatt 2:7-8
7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
KJVMatt 2:11-12
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshiped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
KJVMatt 8:1-4
When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshiped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
KJVMatt 9:18-35
18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshiped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.19 And Jesus arose, and followed him, and so did his disciples.20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.23 And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.25 But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose.26 And the fame hereof went abroad into all that land.27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us.28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.30 And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.31 But they, when they were departed, spread abroad his fame in all that country.32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.33 And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
KJVMatt 14:26-36
26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
34 And when they were gone over, they came into the land of Gennesaret.
35 And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;
36 And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.
KJVMatt 15:21-28
21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshiped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And
she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
KJVMatt 20:20-28
20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshiped him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
24 And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren.
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
KJVMatt 28:8-10
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshiped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
KJVMatt 28:16-20
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshiped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
KJVMark 5:1-20
5 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshiped him,7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.
KJVMark 15:18-20
18 And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!
19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshiped him.
20 And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
KJVLuke 24:44 – 53
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshiped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.John 9:30-39
30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvelous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.
34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped him.
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
KJVHeb 1:6
6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
KJVJesus received worship as the Son, not as the Father, nevertheless, He did receive worship according to scripture!
KathiQuote Jesus
received worship as the Son, not as the Father, nevertheless, He did receive worship according to scripture!this is all I needed to understand what you believe ,I know the scriptures ,but it is the readers of it that i do not understand
while they say one thing they think another ,
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2012,15:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2012,06:14) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2012,12:54) Hi Mike, Do you not believe that YHVH is accessible at all places at the same time?
Ed,“Accessible FROM everwhere” does not equate to “omnipresent”.
Hi Mike,That's what it means to me.
How do you define that word?God bless
Ed J
Ed,Omnipresent means “everywhere all the time”.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2012,15:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2012,06:16) Ed, Did you even read the points I made? Do you agree that if God was truly EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, then God would be everyone and everything, and everyone and everything would be God?
Hi Mike,Everything is from God – right?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,First of all, address my point, please.
Secondly, all things COMING FROM GOD is far different than all things BEING GOD.
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 12 2012,12:21) Oh gee, look Pierre, scripture says Jesus is worshiped and shows Jesus receiving worship. If I were playing with words, I don't believe that I would have so many scriptures that prove that I am not. You are exposed again to be speaking falsely!
Kathi,Does the Greek word “proskuneo” have other meanings besides “worship”?
You know it does, right? And since you know this already, could you tell me how you're so sure the word means “worshiped” in the case of Jesus – and not “did obeisance to”?
Also, could you tell me how you can conclude that Pierre spoke falsely, when you know the word has more than one meaning?
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 11 2012,23:48) Mike,
We do not need to know or believe in any theos aside from the Father and the Son for our eternal salvation.
So we need to believe in the only true God, and the holy Servant that He sent as His sacrificial Lamb? Yeah, that sounds about right. Jesus said the same thing in John 17:3, right?Just don't go confusing the holy Servant with the God he serves.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 14 2012,07:12) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2012,15:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2012,06:14) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2012,12:54) Hi Mike, Do you not believe that YHVH is accessible at all places at the same time?
Ed,“Accessible FROM everwhere” does not equate to “omnipresent”.
Hi Mike,That's what it means to me.
How do you define that word?God bless
Ed J
Ed,Omnipresent means “everywhere all the time”.
Hi Mike,Then YHVH is accessible at all places at the same time – right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 14 2012,07:13) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 12 2012,15:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2012,06:16) Ed, Did you even read the points I made? Do you agree that if God was truly EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, then God would be everyone and everything, and everyone and everything would be God?
Hi Mike,Everything is from God – right?
God bless
Ed J
Ed,First of all, address my point, please.
Secondly, all things COMING FROM GOD is far different than all things BEING GOD.
Hi Mike,I believe God is part of everyone. you do not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 30 2012,07:48) Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 28 2012,18:17) Posted a couple of posts earlier: “The pre-incarnate Christ was an extension of the Father interacting with man. Until at the appropriate time when this physical extension was emptied and used to impregnate Mary. From that point on He was totally human,”
Forgive me, Wm, but it seems to me like you're saying Jesus (the extension) was the father of Jesus (the human). Surely you don't mean that Jesus is his own father? At any rate, I can't get on board with any doctrine that calls for something that once was God Almighty becoming something that isn't God Almighty anymore.
Mike,
There was no “Jesus” until He was conceived in the womb. The pre-incarnate Christ (so as to not be confused with the Human Jesus) was a manifestation of the Father. I believe that this Manifestation was basically the first-born (prototype) in a glorified human body that we were modeled after and would have achieved had Adam of ate from the tree of life instead of the tree of good and evil.The basic design of the human condition is body, soul, and spirit. The body component has a mind that is intended to work in concert with the soul, but it is also capable of independent thoughts and desires as evidenced by our struggle with the flesh.
This mind gave the manifestation independence, thus we have the manifestation discussing with the Father things like Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and The Lord said to himself, “Should I tell Abraham what I am going to do now?
This manifestation was not God Almighty (the heavens cannot contain Him) but he represented God Almighty and spoke for Him (Angel of the LORD) It is similar to my mouth stating I am “me”, while the real me will outlast this material mouth, but this proclamation is true nonetheless.
This manifestation was emptied and used to father Jesus. Technically this emptied extension of the Father was the seed that allowed Jesus to be totally Human, begotten from a material body. Once emptied the Father lost His direct interaction with man for a time as He prepared “a priest who could empathize with our weaknesses”. And unlike the other high priests, he did not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed once for all, when he offered himself.
This postulation seems to allow for Jesus to go by the title of God, and for those pre-existent references, such as when people see God face to face (while being told that no one has seen Him) and for the Father to have fathered a truly human child. As far as I've found this harmonizes with all of scripture.
I'm not teaching this as fact but only offer it as what I arrived at after “connecting” the dots” found in scripture. However the nature of an infinite God cannot be put into a box.
My opinion – Wm
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