The Creations of Genesis 1 & 2 and John 1

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

John the Baptist was anointed in the womb so he would have a human spirit from conception.

But you say that Jesus was different again being conceived differently without a human spirit.

But the word used in the scriptures for the conceptions of John and Jesus is exactly the same .

Why defend the traditions of men?

 

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

John 19.30

”..he bowed his head and gave up his spirit”

Matt 27.50

”And Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit”

 

Did the Holy Spirit forsake him?

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

You say the Christ had the mind of a man.

So did the anointing(Christ) not renew his mind?

We are told we can have the mind of Christ, just a man’s mind?

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

When you use phrases like

MUST HAVE BEEN

it shows that you are reliant on logic and inference rather than what is written.

That is where men deviated from the path of truth.

[Truthcomber]

Hi Nick,

You wrote:

Men can be born with just the divine Spirit and not be gods?

Me: As we become the sons of God by acquiring the divine spirit, the Messiah was the son of God in the flesh, only his was at conception.

You: Was Mary the mother of a son with a divine Spirit ?

Yes

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ (anointed salvation) is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

You: Do you believe that she conceived A GOD?

Mary

Me: Mary conceive the son of God. He was divine but not God almighty.

You: Is it reasonable to ask us sinners to follow someone who had such a head start?

Me: Yes, he is our Master and Lord. God choose him, not you and me.

Marl 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

God is love: That is what all the commandments are based on: Love God above all things, love your neighbor as yourself. Nobody is as good as Yahweh for love—perfect in love. But we have love in us to be called the sons of God.

2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

The Catholics believe Mary is the mother of God.

Your ideas sound very similar.

 

I am happy to know from scripture that the Son of man was just like us and had to suffer temptation as we do.

And that this man never sinned and was found clean by obedience to Moses and the prophets.

That he was filled with the Spirit of God and enabled to do powerful things.

Such a man it is possible to follow in the same anointing.

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

You say Jesus was divine but not almighty.

So he was A GOD but not THE GOD?

 

Scripture says God was in Christ(2cor 5.19)

Was God in God?

 

For us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER..

and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

1 Cor 8

You need to put aside the evil traditional teachings of men and know the God of Jesus.

 

[Truthcomber]

 

You:

 

You: John the Baptist was anointed in the womb so he would have a human spirit from conception.

But you say that Jesus was different again being conceived differently without a human spirit.

Me: yes, and we all have a human spirit from the womb.

1 Cor 15:38

But the word used in the scriptures for the conceptions of John and Jesus is exactly the same .

Why defend the traditions of men?

Me: John the Baptist was begotten with the spirit of God from the womb.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/1-15.htm

http://biblehub.com/greek/1537.htm

Gk 1537: from out, out from among, from

 

Young’s Literal Translation
Luke 2:31 And the messenger answering said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten thing (G 1080: embryo) shall be called Son of God;

 

Me: Christ was born with the spirit of God at conception. Let me see your proof of scripture that says both John and Christ were conceived the same way.

 

Also, show me the scriptures (chapter and verses) instead of relying on me to do your grunt work for you?

 

 

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

I said that the word used for the conception of John and Jesus is the same one.

But you claim a different type of conception where the embryo has no human spirit?

[Truthcomber]

Hi Nick,

You said:

You say Jesus was divine but not almighty.

So he was A GOD but not THE GOD?

Matt 27.50

”And Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit”

Did the Holy Spirit forsake him?

Me:

Young’s Literal Translation
And Jesus having again cried with a great voice, yielded the spirit;

Comment: “his” is an added word.

 

 

 

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi Nick,

 

You said: Was Mary the mother of a son with a divine Spirit?

Do you believe that she conceived A GOD?

You: The Catholics believe Mary is the mother of God.

Your ideas sound very similar.

 

Me: The bible says she conceived the Messiah with a divine spirit–absolutely. That is why he could not sin (1 John 3:9) as we cannot sin when we follow the spirit. Christ was conceived of the spirit but was not that spirit. Christ was born of the physical seed of David that fertilized the ovary of his human mother. He was the son (of God) of man according to the flesh. He was not the true God in essence, which only the father is.

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Christ was born the son of God with the spirit of God in his mind. God gives every seed (spirit) a body (1 Cor 15:38), including himself. That body is Christ. Christ is not almighty God, He is the son of God with the spirit of God in him. He came afterwards from the bosom of God. He is not eternal.

You: Mary is the mother of the God according to the flesh.

Me: Mary is the mother of the son of God according to the flesh.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Me: King David was his direct progenitor.

[Truthcomber]

Hi Nick,

 

Me: We become the sons of God by putting on Christ.

 

The below should be proof enough that Christ was filled with the spirit of God before Jordan.

 

Luke 2:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:.40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Comment: Jordan came later in Luke 3:22-23). Notice that the Messiah was strong in the spirit before Jordan.

[Truthcomber]

Hi Nick,

You wrote:

I said that the word used for the conception of John and Jesus is the same one.

But you claim a different type of conception where the embryo has no human spirit?

Me: Conception means conception, but you can be conceived in different ways.  Please show me the verses.

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

God is faithful.

The Spirit given to Jesus did not leave him but raised him after he visited the spirits in prison . 1Peter 3

The same abiding Spirit will raise his brothers too.

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

No your proof of him as a child being anointed is weak.

The Spirit gives gifts of prophecy, healing , knowledge , discernment of spirits etc(1Cor 12)

and none of these were manifest before the Jordan.

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

4815 Sullambano is used for the CONCEPTIONS in Mary and in Elizabeth.

Lk 2.21. Lk 1.36

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

We do not become sons of God by putting on Christ ( Gal.3.27)

but we have the opportunity to become sons of God (Jn 1.12)

When Christ is formed in us( Gal 3.19)

we can be led by the Spirit(Gal 5.25)

The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God(Rom 8.14)

 

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

Jesus was conceived of Mary who contributed half of his Chromosomes.

For him to be conceived free from sin was she also?

The Catholics say yes.hmmm.

[NickHassan]

Hi TC,

A body without a spirit is dead. Jas 2

But you say God gave a dead body His own Spirit.

Sorry but your teaching here has become far too strange.

[GeneBalthrop]

TC…Rom 8:11 ..But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from THE DEAD dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from THE DEAD shall also quicken you mortal (dead) BODIES by his Spirit that dwells in you.

That same Spirit is what raised Jesus’ DEAD BODY, FROM THE GRAVE.

TC, we must realize Jesus was truly dead when he died, there was nothing about him that was still alive in some neither world, but he was actually dead, and would have still been dead to this day had the GOD the father not raised him back to a living soul again, after he died his SOUL WOULD HAVE CORRUPTED IN THE GRAVE, but because he never sinned GOD did not allow his “SOUL” (body), TO SEE CORRUPTION. JUST AS SCRIPTURES SAYS. I believe you already know this TC.

Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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