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[/QUOTE]see the that the resurrected FIRST FRUITS ARE THE 144K AND **WHEN TIME COMES** THEY WILL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN WITH CHRIST ON EARTH THIS HIS THE WHOLE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PLAN
What time comes?
wakeup.
Are some of you completely DEAF?
Are you so BLIND that you cannot see?I will repeat it.
The original word in Hebrew is not “evil”. It is 'disaster' or 'calamity', or righty, 'adversity'.
New International Version
I bring prosperity and create disaster.English Standard Version
I make well-being and create calamity.New American Standard Bible
Causing well-being and creating calamity.Holman Christian Standard Bible
I make success and create disaster.International Standard Version
I make goodness and create disaster.NET Bible
The one who brings about peace and creates calamity.GOD'S WORD® Translation
I make blessings and create disasters.King James 2000 Bible
I make peace, and create calamityWorld English Bible
I make peace, and create calamity.If you don't believe that, then look at the Hebrew word here:
http://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/45-7.htm
Which is “Ra” which means “Adversity” if you click the number to your left of the word.
http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7451.htm
It is the same as in Genesis 2:17.
There is no Hebrew equivalent for the English word “evil”. It doesn't exist in that language.
This is what “adversity” means:
ad·ver·si·ty ( d-vûr s -t )
n. pl. ad·ver·si·ties
1. A state of hardship or affliction; misfortune.
2. A calamitous event.This is what “evil” means:
e·vil ( v l)
adj. e·vil·er , e·vil·est
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.n.
1. The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
2. That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.
3. An evil force, power, or personification.
4. Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice.adv. Archaic
In an evil manner.Do you UNDERSTAND YET?
Do you understand that your KJV could have errors, which other versions have seen and corrected?
Our is the KJV completely perfect in your eyes?Have you every heard of “Bibliolatry“?
That is really upsetting to hear people say that God creates and causes EVIL.
GOD IS LOVE. God has NO PART in 'evil'.Don't even go there.
If you know what love is:
Love is eternal. Love is protective. No words can ever describe God's love.God disciplines those he loves.
Discipline is not always pleasant, but it achieves results in those willing to obey Him.
God has so much in store for those he loves, and those who love Him.
But good does not come without sweat and heartache.
Sweat and heartache TESTS our love.Only God knows the beginning from the end.
We are only partly through.
All that God does is love.
If only you could understand.Man had free will.
Man misused his free will.
God 'did not create EVIL'.
Man did.
All which went against God did.
Don't you see?And even love destroys.
That is all I have to say on this.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 02 2013,21:34) If you know what love is:
Love is eternal. Love is protective. No words can ever describe God's love.God disciplines those he loves.
Discipline is not always pleasant, but it achieves results in those willing to obey Him.
God has so much in store for those he loves, and those who love Him.
But good does not come without sweat and heartache.
Sweat and heartache TESTS our love.Only God knows the beginning from the end.
We are only partly through.
All that God does is love.
If only you could understand.Man had free will.
Man misused his free will.
God 'did not create EVIL'.
Man did.
All which went against God did.
Don't you see?And even love destroys.
That is all I have to say on this.
2Besee.All well said.
Can you just answer these questions.
1.Did God create satan?
2.Is satan all the evil in this world?
3.Did God know what he was doing?
4.Could God see the future?wakeup.
2besee,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Are some of you completely DEAF?
Are you so BLIND that you cannot see?I will repeat it.
The original word in Hebrew is not “evil”. It is 'disaster' or 'calamity', or righty, 'adversity'.
2BesseThe NWO is controlling the minds of the people today. Their goal is to destroy christianity and cause division.
Have you heard of the names rosthschilds, skull and bones, rhodes scholars and society for physical research? These have succeeded to pervert the Word of God through new translations.
The King James was the foundation christianity. No matter who's hands it was in, the words have not been changed one bit.
The NEW KING JAMES is another new translation not to be trusted.
Colleges controlled by the NWO are teaching that the King James is not to be trusted and millions of christians are believing every word they say.
Welcome to the New World Order.
Some of us here are not deaf and blind, for we know what's going on behind the scenes.Compare these;
KJV
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.NIV
Hebrews 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings–external regulations applying until the time of the new order.NET BIBLE
[Hebrews 9:10 They served only for matters of food and drink and various washings; they are external regulations imposed until the new order came.J42.
They will just ignore that,it only causing discomfort.
Their nests are nice and warm,not to be disturbed.wakeup
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,15:23) T [/QUOTE]see the that the resurrected FIRST FRUITS ARE THE 144K AND **WHEN TIME COMES** THEY WILL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN WITH CHRIST ON EARTH THIS HIS THE WHOLE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PLAN
What time comes?
wakeup.
wQuote What time comes? the time of the wedding of the groom and the bride
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 02 2013,15:27) Are some of you completely DEAF?
Are you so BLIND that you cannot see?I will repeat it.
The original word in Hebrew is not “evil”. It is 'disaster' or 'calamity', or righty, 'adversity'.
New International Version
I bring prosperity and create disaster.English Standard Version
I make well-being and create calamity.New American Standard Bible
Causing well-being and creating calamity.Holman Christian Standard Bible
I make success and create disaster.International Standard Version
I make goodness and create disaster.NET Bible
The one who brings about peace and creates calamity.GOD'S WORD® Translation
I make blessings and create disasters.King James 2000 Bible
I make peace, and create calamityWorld English Bible
I make peace, and create calamity.If you don't believe that, then look at the Hebrew word here:
http://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/45-7.htm
Which is “Ra” which means “Adversity” if you click the number to your left of the word.
http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7451.htm
It is the same as in Genesis 2:17.
There is no Hebrew equivalent for the English word “evil”. It doesn't exist in that language.
This is what “adversity” means:
ad·ver·si·ty ( d-vûr s -t )
n. pl. ad·ver·si·ties
1. A state of hardship or affliction; misfortune.
2. A calamitous event.This is what “evil” means:
e·vil ( v l)
adj. e·vil·er , e·vil·est
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.n.
1. The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
2. That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.
3. An evil force, power, or personification.
4. Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice.adv. Archaic
In an evil manner.Do you UNDERSTAND YET?
Do you understand that your KJV could have errors, which other versions have seen and corrected?
Our is the KJV completely perfect in your eyes?Have you every heard of “Bibliolatry“?
2beegood comment
but there is another topic now about “God being evil”
To All……….God is Not EVIL Himself, but to think for one moment He did not Create everything that exists is pure foolishness, including those Propensities in all of creation were placed their by God. Including the evil that is done in this earth, God allows, for teaching purposes and He has in scripture brought Evil on People also Like King Saul , who God sent and evil Spirit to torment Him. God is Sovereign over everything that exists, this is His creation not Satan's or Mans or any one else. There would be No evil or good if he did not exist, Evil existed sense the time of Goods existence, or you could not even give meaning to either of those word without each one existing together. So as a result GOD is “SOVEREIGN” in ALL CREATION, IMO.
peace and love to you all………………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2013,00:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,15:23) T see the that the resurrected FIRST FRUITS ARE THE 144K AND **WHEN TIME COMES** THEY WILL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN WITH CHRIST ON EARTH THIS HIS THE WHOLE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PLAN
Quote What time comes?
wakeup.
wQuote What time comes? the time of the wedding of the groom and the bride
T.What wedding?
When?
Who is getting married to whom?wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 03 2013,00:32) 2Besse The NWO is controlling the minds of the people today. Their goal is to destroy christianity and cause division.
Have you heard of the names rosthschilds, skull and bones, rhodes scholars and society for physical research? These have succeeded to pervert the Word of God through new translations.
The King James was the foundation christianity. No matter who's hands it was in, the words have not been changed one bit.
The NEW KING JAMES is another new translation not to be trusted.
Colleges controlled by the NWO are teaching that the King James is not to be trusted and millions of christians are believing every word they say.
Welcome to the New World Order.
Some of us here are not deaf and blind, for we know what's going on behind the scenes.Compare these;
KJV
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.NIV
Hebrews 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings–external regulations applying until the time of the new order.NET BIBLE
[Hebrews 9:10 They served only for matters of food and drink and various washings; they are external regulations imposed until the new order came.
Journey,I disagree with that. Everyone has scripture, no matter which particular version, it is all scriptures. I started with the RSV, which is an excellent version, then asked God for a version which had his name in it, in the OT. So,I walked into a second hand furniture shop which had a few books too, and there was the Jerusalem Bible, with Yahweh in it, and it cost me nothing – they gave it to me. So, because I have faith in God, I thank God for those things. Now for you to tell me that the KJV is the ONLY trustworthy scripture… I call that nonsense. Especially considering some errors in the KJV which are not in other versions.
To say there is some conspiracy going on, and all other versions are false is silly, and I believe a delusion.
Reg biblolitry: Jesus said that people search the scriptures, thinking in them they will find eternal life, when it was those scriptures which spoke of him and there he was, right in front of them, yet they refused to go to him, and continued pouring over the scriptures, searching, searching, searching.
To take every part of the scriptures literally, believing there is not one single translation error in the KJV, is putting all of your trust in the letter, when we need to put trust in the spirit (which gives life)
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2013,01:51) 2bee good comment
but there is another topic now about “God being evil”
Thank you Terraricca. And okay, I'll take look.Wakeup,
Quote 1.Did God create satan?
Yes.Quote 2.Is satan all the evil in this world?
No.Quote 3.Did God know what he was doing?
Of course.Quote 4.Could God see the future?
Yes.So… God divides the wheat from the weeds.
The free gift of God is eternal life, what life we have not really known.God WISHES EVERYONE to be saved, and desires none to perish.
But MAN chooses.
Every human had the ability to choose good or bad.Look: All that God had created for man.
And God waits. Patiently.
So, so patiently.God also created satan.
God knows what will happen, but in order to achieve the end result.. foreknowledge is God's delight..and loss is sated with the found.Does that answer your questions?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,09:33) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,14:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,03:57) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 02 2013,05:59) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,12:37) Kerwin. God is a spirit.
Has he got a body?wakeup.
Wakeup,God created all things that are physical. Bodies are physical constructs.
Kerwin.Is God also physical?
wakeup.
Wakeup,God did not create himself.
kerwin.Is that answer? NO?
But he is spirit.wakeup.
Wakeup,It is an answer.
God created all that is physical.
God did not create himself.
Therefore God is not physical.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,09:42) K think about this scripture ;
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
see the that the resurrected FIRST FRUITS ARE THE 144K AND WHEN TIME COMES THEY WILL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN WITH CHRIST ON EARTH THIS HIS THE WHOLE FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PLAN
T,1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
“the dead in Christ shall rise first” is when the first resurrection occurs.
Both the living and dead are caught up together in the clouds to meet Jesus as he descends to Mount Zion.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 02 2013,22:25) To All……….God is Not EVIL Himself, but to think for one moment He did not Create everything that exists is pure foolishness, including those Propensities in all of creation were placed their by God. Including the evil that is done in this earth, God allows, for teaching purposes and He has in scripture brought Evil on People also Like King Saul , who God sent and evil Spirit to torment Him. God is Sovereign over everything that exists, this is His creation not Satan's or Mans or any one else. There would be No evil or good if he did not exist, Evil existed sense the time of Goods existence, or you could not even give meaning to either of those word without each one existing together. So as a result GOD is “SOVEREIGN” in ALL CREATION, IMO. peace and love to you all………………………………….gene
Gene,God did not create love as love has always been one of his aspects. Evil is rebellion against love and never existed until Satan chose to rebel.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 02 2013,17:32) 2besee,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Are some of you completely DEAF?
Are you so BLIND that you cannot see?I will repeat it.
The original word in Hebrew is not “evil”. It is 'disaster' or 'calamity', or righty, 'adversity'.
2BesseThe NWO is controlling the minds of the people today. Their goal is to destroy christianity and cause division.
Have you heard of the names rosthschilds, skull and bones, rhodes scholars and society for physical research? These have succeeded to pervert the Word of God through new translations.
The King James was the foundation christianity. No matter who's hands it was in, the words have not been changed one bit.
The NEW KING JAMES is another new translation not to be trusted.
Colleges controlled by the NWO are teaching that the King James is not to be trusted and millions of christians are believing every word they say.
Welcome to the New World Order.
Some of us here are not deaf and blind, for we know what's going on behind the scenes.Compare these;
KJV
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.NIV
Hebrews 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings–external regulations applying until the time of the new order.NET BIBLE
[Hebrews 9:10 They served only for matters of food and drink and various washings; they are external regulations imposed until the new order came.
Journey42,The AKJV was translated by a state controlled religion whose “pope” was King James I. It seems strange to advocate it against what you choose to call the NWO.
The NWO would prefer a more socialist translation than any of the modern versions you so easily condemn.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 03 2013,09:15) Wakeup, Quote 1.Did God create satan?
Yes.Quote 2.Is satan all the evil in this world?
No.Quote 3.Did God know what he was doing?
Of course.Quote 4.Could God see the future?
Yes.So… God divides the wheat from the weeds.
The free gift of God is eternal life, what life we have not really known.God WISHES EVERYONE to be saved, and desires none to perish.
But MAN chooses.
Every human had the ability to choose good or bad.Look: All that God had created for man.
And God waits. Patiently.
So, so patiently.God also created satan.
God knows what will happen, but in order to achieve the end result.. foreknowledge is God's delight..and loss is sated with the found.Does that answer your questions?
2Besee.You said that satan is not the cause of all evil in this world.
1.Who tempted Eve?
2. Why must satan be destroyed at the end?
3. Why is death itself conquered, after satan is destroyed?
4. Why did God say this:
Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High
proceedeth not **evil and good**?6.And this: Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: **I the LORD do all these things**.
7.And this: Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and **the LORD hath not done it**?
8. And this:Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and **I have created the waster to destroy**.
please answer.
wakeup.
terraricca,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote but there is another topic now about “God being evil”
PierreYou fox! We never said God is evil, but that he created everything and that includes evil. He said it himself, and you twist our words for evil is needed to separate the good from the bad. It is used as a tool by God, as a magnet to draw the wicked, and as a resistance for the good to refuse.
You are the one trying to imply that we are saying that God is evil because “he said” he created it, and it is you that does not understand his statement. YOU are saying, don't trust God, he delivered his word to us which he allowed to be corrupted?
So men have “IMPROVED” his word in the last 40 years or so. and God had no power to deliver it pure? That's what you are saying. I trust God and not men in universities run by the NWO.
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