The biblical cannon

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  • #284788
    Jodi Lee
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    I am not Catholic, so WHY ON EARTH would I trust their biblical cannon?

    Within the early Catholic church there existed debates on what writings should and should not be included into the cannon. As well, debates existed on who Jesus was and was not.

    Personally believing that the Catholic “fathers” were far from being true Christians led by the Holy Spirit, I question their cannon.

    One of the books that calls out to me the most as being false is the The Gospel of John. I do not believe that it could have been written by a person under the Holy Spirit.

    Knowing how pagan minded the Catholic “fathers” were, why would I trust their cannon?

    Why not question and investigate the books they selected?….the cannon Christians consider the “word of God”.

    #284798
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    The Apocrypha was removed from our biblical canon.
    What do you have against the Gospel according to John?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284817
    Jodi Lee
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 14 2012,18:01)
    Hi Jodi,

    The Apocrypha was removed from our biblical canon.
    What do you have against the Gospel according to John?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    I am talking about the bible itself.

    The books in the bible were chosen to be there by people IMO who were completely unfit, not men of the Holy Spirit. Why would anyone just assume that their work was correct?

    The book of John for several reasons I do not believe belongs. One reason is that it has Jesus dying on a different day and that he does not keep and eat the Passover meal. As well, the whole eating of his flesh and drinking his blood, is just totally pagan, and was a practice of Roman cult groups at that time. When the book of John was first being circulated many Jews that believed in Jesus did not accept the book of John as well as Catholics who were deemed “heretics”.

    The book of John makes Jesus out to be a god, it makes him fit in with the pagan gods on many accounts, including his virgin birth.

    #284820
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    So you don't believe the Gospel according to John is a part of God's inspired word?
    Is there any other parts of the bible you judge unworthy to be God's word?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284845
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,
    Standing on the foundation of your own ideas seems shaky.

    #284966
    Jodi Lee
    Participant

    It's better than standing on the foundation of the Roman Catholic Church!!  :D

    #284979
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 14 2012,07:50)
    The book of John makes Jesus out to be a god……………..


    Didn't Jesus' Father foretell through Isaiah that Jesus would be called a mighty god?

    #284981
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 15 2012,19:03)
    It's better than standing on the foundation of the Roman Catholic Church!!  :D


    jodi

    usually they are solid those catholic churches ,if they know something it is building churches boy

    #284996
    Jodi Lee
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2012,13:27)

    Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 14 2012,07:50)
    The book of John makes Jesus out to be a god……………..


    Didn't Jesus' Father foretell through Isaiah that Jesus would be called a mighty god?


    and Moses was made a god as well!

    #284997
    Jodi Lee
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,01:16)
    Hi Jodi,

    So you don't believe the Gospel according to John is a part of God's inspired word?
    Is there any other parts of the bible you judge unworthy to be God's word?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed J,

    I am not sure yet, I have not gotten that far. I am tired of believing in things based on what I was told. Just knowing that the Catholic Church decided according to their authority what books would be in the New Testament, draws me into investigation.

    I am invested in Paul's writings as being true and inspired, I can say that much!

    #284998
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    Is there any other books of the bible you would leave out?
    Also, is there any books that you would include as canon?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #284999
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    Sorry, I posted my last post before reading your last post (4 minutes earlier than mine).
    I take it from your last post, that you do not have an answer as of yet; is this true?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285002
    Jodi Lee
    Participant

    No I haven't yet. It just sucks that the inspired words do not come in a perfect package, where you know who the authors were, when exactly each book was written and that it was an ORIGINALLY writing you were reading!!

    #285003
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jodi, they being Roman Catholicism.

    The way I understand things, is that they had the Apocrypha books, and the
    deuterocanonical books; all of which were later removed by the Church of England.
    It was under the Crown, that Authorized the King James Bible in 1603 by King James I.

                                              A brief history

    After the 10 Northern tribes separated from the 2 Southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin), by YHVH's orders.
    The crown was taken over the Caucuses mountains, and was first settled in Europe in Scotland (Berkshire I think).
    Later the crown moved to England, where the “United Kingdom” has been ruling from ever since. Brittan is considered Ephraim,
    and the “United States” is considered Manasseh. Ephraim and Manasseh were the two sons of Joesph, where Jacob's blessings went.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285006
    Ed J
    Participant

    To All,

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
    (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
    (that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three
    (Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

    The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it's exactly the way GOD wanted it!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285015
    Jodi Lee
    Participant

    “The words of the Lord”…..as defined by the Catholic cannon?…over my dead body!!

    The New Testament is the product of what the Catholics chose as to what were the actual words of the Lord, and there existed disputes amongst them, not to mention within other Christian groups, not to long after Christ died, and the writings were first circulating.  

    The bible today is a mess, it has not been preserved, there are no original writings, we are reading copies, translations, mistranslations and additions made to the text to better fit doctrine.

    This is not how YHVH would want it, but it is how He allowed things to transpire.

    #285019
    Jodi Lee
    Participant

    Hey Nick,

    My bad, I just saw this thread! The New Testament Canon, Who decides? I should have just commented on there. Planning on reading through it….hopefully soon, if time will allow!

    #285026
    shimmer
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,18:09)
    To All,

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
    (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
    (that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three
    (Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

    “The Bible” we have today was no accident, it is exactly the way YHVH wanted it!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    It doesn't matter which version it is, it is God's word.

    ” And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come”.

    Fullfilled.

    #285028
    shimmer
    Participant

    God has protected it and sent it around the world in fullfillment of prophecy as a witness to all the nations. I trust every bit of the Bible. Why doubt? Trust it!

    #285030
    shimmer
    Participant

    Not wanting to get caught up in this topic, I was just saying! And I say no more.

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