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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2010,17:18) Marty Quote (942767 @ Jan. 21 2010,20:47) When the church has completed the mission that God has given us, then we will be subject to God. That is what the following scriptures are stating:
Huh? So the we are not subject to God now?
Look again Marty, those scriptures do not mention the Church.
“For he (Jesus) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet“. The last enemy that shall be destroyed
(Of course, when it says “authority over all things,” it does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
1Cr 15:28 Then, when he has conquered all things, the Son will present himself to God, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.When the Mission that God has given Jesus, and his disciples has been completed, then God will be directly supreme over everyone. Now, God has given Jesus the authority over all flesh. When we obey him we are obeying God, it is God's Word that we are obeying, and Jesus is watching over God's Word to perform it.
1Cr 15:27 For the Scriptures say, “God has given him authority over all things.” [fn] (Of course, when it says “authority over all things,” it does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
Now it is like this:
1Cr 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman [is] man, and the head of Christ [is] God.
But when the mission that has been given to Jesus, and his disciples (I say his disciples because we are helping him in this mission), then all will be subjected directly to God. God will be all in all.
The mission will have been accomplished, therefore, Jesus will deliver the kingdom to God.
Love in Christ,
MartyWJ
the bible is my book,and my interpretation is also the bible .
you are telling All the prophetes and Christ himsel is lying.?Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,20:27) WJ the bible is my book,and my interpretation is also the bible .
you are telling All the prophetes and Christ himsel is lying.?
John was Jesus closest follower!WJ
WJ
Mk 12:24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?Quote (Gene @ Jan. 23 2010,11:03) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 23 2010,05:23) It is YOUR teaching that is idolatrous because you “worship” God the old covenant way. God has commanded that we worship Him through His Son in the new covenant. According to Jesus this means that the Son is to be honored EVEN AS the Father is honored. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father. thinker
Thinker……..But Jesus said GOD seeks those who worship Him in SPIRIT and TRUTH. He did not say GOD was seeking them to worship (JESUS), Himself in spirit and truth did HE. Can't you see how you are twisting up what Jesus plainly said. You need to dump all you Trinitarian dogmas and start over with a pure and clean view of exactly what Jesus and Scriptures say> And i don't mean just little pieces of them but all of them so you can get the complete picture. Little snap shots here and there will not do, you will simply go forward and fall backward. IMO
Gene,In the new covenant age it is by worshiping JESUS that God is worshiped in spirit and in truth. You are still hanging on to the old covenant letter. Again it says,
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“ Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says:
“ Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”8 But to the Son He says:
“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.The Father Himself tells us how to worship Him in spirit. We worship Him in spirit by worshiping JESUS!
The Father told the angels to worship His Son (vs. 6). The Father Himself addresses His Son as God (vs. 8). So Jesus sits on His throne as God.
It is clear Gene! You need to get yourself lined up with God's new covenant program!
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2010,11:40) WJ in Gen 1;26. just shows God has a conversation to the WORD (Christ) everything has been created through him and for him,
thats that simple, it seems complicated to some but it is simple.
All things were created FOR Jehovah. All things were created FOR Christ. Therefore, Christ is JehovahAll things were created FOR Jehovah:
Jehovah has made all things FOR Himself,
Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. Proverbs 16:4All things were created FOR Christ:
All things were created through Him and FOR Him. Colossians 1:16
Therefore, Christ is Jehovah!
terraricca:
Quote thats that simple, it seems complicated to some but it is simple
Yes it is so simple!thinker
terraricca said:
Quote God does not talk to himself Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness.”
thinker
TT
the old covenant was the prescriptions of the law ,the new is even stronger and as a deeper application
that why Christ says ,if you look at a women from your inside so that your desire become so intense,you have already committed adultery,
under the law you have only to be cut in action or so.
so we are full of sins but which ones is Christ as died for?????i know some one as to have understanding for to answer this i think??
TT
wen you say God as made everything for himself ,this means he is egocentric,selfish,without love,and wicket,?????
because that what is a being who take everything to himself.Joined: Jan. 2009 Posted: Jan. 23 2010,14:44
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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2010,11:40)
WJin Gen 1;26. just shows God has a conversation to the WORD (Christ) everything has been created through him and for him,
thats that simple, it seems complicated to some but it is simple.
All things were created FOR Jehovah. All things were created FOR Christ. Therefore, Christ is Jehovah
All things were created FOR Jehovah:
Jehovah has made all things FOR Himself,
Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. Proverbs 16:4All things were created FOR Christ:
All things were created through Him and FOR Him. Colossians 1:16
Therefore, Christ is Jehovah!
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 23 2010,14:30) The Father Himself tells us how to worship Him in spirit. We worship Him in spirit by worshiping JESUS!
Thinker ……..Interesting you say that but where did Jesus say we are worshiping GOD the FATHER by worshiping HIM. Is that another addition to our scriptures that you trinitarians fell free to twist the meanings of what is truly written, to push you own Theologies. Thinker Just (BELIEVE) WHAT JESUS SAID, without changing it to meet you perception. Quite forcing the text is a good start for you. IMOQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,21:30) WJ
Mk 12:24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?
tI know the scriptures just fine, but you seem to ignore these…
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and “the Word was God“. John 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of “the Word of life“; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:1-3
And he (Jesus) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called “The Word of God“. Rev 19:13
The Gospel of John was believed to be the last of Johns writings! He knew who “The Word” was!
WJ
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 15 2010,11:20)
“having been perfected. This does not mean that Jesus finally became sinless, since He was always without sin (4:15), but that He finished the course of suffering that was set before Him, including the sacrificial death. Having done this, He was “perfected,” or completely qualified to serve as the uniquely effective High Priest” (Reformation Study Bible note, p. 1941).The word “perfected” in reference to Jesus Christ means that He became qualified to intercede before God in our behalf as an effective High Priest.
thinker
Hi Thinker,Where are your Bible references that say perfected is something other than a state of being sinless?
Ed J
WJ
i have already explain those scriptures to you and you just don't want to accepted .
you stick to error but that s your choice i know you know better,
like i say wait and see wen Christ come back or wen we past away what ever is first we will know for sure.
WJ,
Does John 1:1-3 testify to a Trinity?
Trinitarians gleefully submit it time and time again as proof that Jesus the Word Is God … But you gloss over the rest that testify that
sorry… 1 John 1: 1-3
that testifies that:“…fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ”.
I have heard it said that 'Anything that is from God Is God' and this testified to a Trinity because:
Jesus is from God
The Holy Spirit is from God
And … wait… The Father is … No, noone did ever say, did they?Perhaps you can explain 'the Father is FROM GOD'!!
Also, There is no mention of the Holy Spirit' in the whole of 1 John?
Perhaps you can explain how a Trinity of Gods only talks about TWO ofthem in a whole Epistle?Your Trinity Gods are not very Equal are they?
“Fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ”
AJ
and you forgot wen Jesus says to his father in a prayer that is apostles are one with him and his father that's would be 13 but he also says that he would include all the ones who would believe in their message to be one with them so this now means1000000???Man is from God…, Terra, say no more?
The foolishness of the Trinity is for those lacking understanding and seeking the easy way, the briad road – following the crowd to their destruction along with the other servants of Satan.
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 04 2010,01:30) terraricca said: Quote there is nothing wrong to honor the Son as to honor the father ,this does not mean worshiping. You contradict yourself.
thinker
t,Explain how the Son can be honored EVEN AS the Father without being worshiped. And explain why the whole creation worships the Father and the Son except for you (Rev. 5:13).
thinker
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