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Quote (t8 @ June 11 2013,12:54) It does. The Comma Johanneum being the most glaring example. The AKJV wasn't translated from the oldest and more relaible texts.
The AKJV was also translated before the discovery of the Dea Sea Scrolls.“While no translation is perfect, people who believe that the AKJV is, are clearly wrong. IMO, it is the least accurate, but still accurate enough to get the truth.
“With the third edition of Erasmus' Greek text (1522) the Comma Johanneum was included,
because “Erasmus chose to avoid any occasion for slander rather than persisting in philological
accuracy”, even though he remained “convinced that it did not belong to the original text of l John.”” (Link)Quote (t8 @ June 11 2013,12:54) It does. The Comma Johanneum being the most glaring example. The AKJV wasn't translated from the oldest and more relaible texts.
The AKJV was also translated before the discovery of the Dea Sea Scrolls.While no translation is perfect, people who believe that the AKJV is, are clearly wrong. IMO, it is the least accurate, but still accurate enough to get the truth.
Hi T8,The “AKJV Bible” is in harmony with the Dead Sea Scrolls, penned years before its publication.
Your 'opinion' on how accurate a document is does not constitute as evidence, do you have any?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWatch the time-line 49:10-128:00.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgJust listening to an audio file.
A person states that the Textus Receptus, the manuscript for the AKJV is based on 7 Greek manuscripts. None of them are older than the eleventh century and two of them were primary over the others. This doesn't really help us get back to the original wording of the original documents, but with the myriad of other texts, we have a better chance of doing this.
Thus new bibles take advantage of these older texts which have been discovered since, including the Dead Sea Scrolls which contain Greek texts that date back to the 3rd century.
Ed's argument about the AKJV being the perfect version leads people who adhere to that to ignore all the older texts including the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Is there something deeper going on here?
Perhaps Satan wants people to trust only in the AKJV because it has man-made additions that give support to the Trinity. Maybe this whole AKJV movement is no more complicated than that? Just something that the god of this age prefers because it helps keep the Trinity Doctrine alive.
MANY READ THE SCRIPTURES THEN FIGHT OVER THE CONTINANCE OF IT ,ABOUT WORDS WHY
they do not own the written words IT BELONG TO GOD ,but men are so eager to talk to show off there ego ,there knowledge that they pretend to possess about the word of God ,built schools universities ,all over the world ,make “war ” for Christ ? yeah,collect money for the preaching of the gospel ' THIS IS GOOD WORKS ” REMEMBER THOSE PEOPLE GOD PAID THEM THEY MAY NOT SEE IT YET ,BUT IT IS NOT THEIR WRITTEN WORDS THAT THEY MONEY WITH IT IS GOD'S SO THE MONEY THEY COLLECT HIS OF GOD ,AND SO NO REWARD TO THEM ,BUT AT THE SAME TIME GOD USES THOSE GREEDY PEOPLE FOR THE SPEADING OF HIS WRITTEN WORDS ,SEE THAT'S HOW THE TAX PAYERS,PROSTITUDE,TEIFS,MURDERS,ALL THE SINNERS GET IN THE KINGDOM AHEAD OF THEM IF THEY EVER GET IN,
all those leaders are like Paul says ;
Ro 2:17 Now you, if you call yourself a (believer)Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God;
Ro 2:18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law;
Ro 2:19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark,
Ro 2:20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth—
Ro 2:21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
Ro 2:22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
Ro 2:23 You who brag about the(your faith) law, do you dishonor God by breaking the(your true faith) law?
Ro 2:24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”
Ro 2:25 Circumcision(commitment ) has value if you observe the (the faith)law, but if you break the(that faith) law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.(no faith)
Ro 2:26 If those who are not(without faith) circumcised keep the law’s(the faith) requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? (full of faith)
Ro 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law(the faith) will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and (the faith)circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
Ro 2:28 A man is not a(believer) Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
Ro 2:29 No, a man is a (true believer)Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.got it
Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2013,03:11) Quote (t8 @ June 11 2013,12:54) It does. The Comma Johanneum being the most glaring example. The AKJV wasn't translated from the oldest and more relaible texts.
The AKJV was also translated before the discovery of the Dea Sea Scrolls.While no translation is perfect, people who believe that the AKJV is, are clearly wrong. IMO, it is the least accurate, but still accurate enough to get the truth.
Hi T8,The “AKJV Bible” is in harmony with the Dead Sea Scrolls, penned years before its publication.
Your 'opinion' on how accurate a document is does not constitute as evidence, do you have any?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Go no further than the example we are discussing. Is the Comma Johanneum in ancient translation including the Dead Sea Scrolls? No.Further, 1 John wasn't quoted by both the Greek and Latin church fathers, (never used before the fifth century AD). If it had existed, this is surprising because there were a number of debates on the Trinity during the third and fourth centuries and this would have been some of the best evidence available.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 02 2013,22:48) A person states that the Textus Receptus, the manuscript for the AKJV is based on 7 Greek manuscripts. None of them are older than the eleventh century and two of them were primary over the others. Thus new bibles take advantage of these older texts which have been discovered since, including the Dead Sea Scrolls which contain Greek texts that date back to the 3rd century.
Parts of the AKJV are also back-translated from the Latin Vulgate – because parts of the Greek mss they had were missing.As for Ed, he pm'd me telling me he was leaving……… a couple of days before he got the tile. I asked him to reconsider, but he never got back to me.
As for Irene, I haven't heard from her or Georg for quite some time.
I think Irene tried to register the other day. I processed the registration, but the problem is that these emails often end up in the spam folder of the user and they never think to check there.
This is common with many sites that process registrations for forums as they look very similar to spam messages.
Although Gmail does a great job of sorting real spam, Microsoft know little about website domains and just tend to dump most emails of that nature even from reputable domains.
I guess Microsoft are over cautious and they don't have the technology to allow them to have a normal level of caution. They are also paranoid about this sort of thing because most viruses are delivered via Windows and Microsoft is trying to shake that unreliable tag they have been branded with.
As for Ed J, if he leaves then I think that is good. No point in wasting time talking to someone who cannot admit to a mistake. I prefer quality than quantity myself.
Once 2000 people walked away from Jesus because his teaching was too hard for them. He too was into quality of persons.
Hi,
Some folks cling only to one version.
For them it becomes sacred and they cannot even think of questioning it.
But it gives them power to make what they think are infallible statements about truth as they only need those written words.And it leads to some sort of intellectual pseudoscientific faith
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God” (Ref. 2 Tim 3:16)
Hi Nick,
Do YOU consider the “AKJV Bible” Scripture? (YES – NO – I DON'T KNOW)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd J, it contains scripture, but also contains some added in words. The translation is not perfect, and it relied on less texts compared with modern translations. So there are errors in the translation.
Good to hear from you Nick. Long time no hear. When you are in Wellington next, please come round for a meal or coffee. Let me know via Facebook or a PM.
Hi Nick and T8,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2014,04:22) Hi Ed,
Do not offered us boxed answers.
The AKJV is a human selection of certain manuscripts.
These “BOXED ANSWERS” are T8's doing, you can blame
him instead of me, OK? …now will you please answer.Do YOU consider the “AKJV Bible” Scripture?
I, of course, say “Yes”.
Then is your answer “No”?
Or is your answer “I don't know”?I'm not asking to give reasons for your answer,
but merely an answer… “Yes” – “No” – “I don't know”Of course you (Nick & T8) can feel free to give us the reasons for you answer as well.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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