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Journey and all others that are concerned,
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if Satan had access to heaven and could travel to and fro until he was finally kicked out after the resurrection of Christ
It is assumed by some that that it is so but it is not literally written in scripture. Scripture states that:
Revelation 12:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
It also is written:
Jude 1:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Psalm 107:10-14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
10 Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death,
being bound in affliction and iron;
11 because they rebelled against the words of God,
and contemned the counsel of the most High:
12 therefore he brought down their heart with labour;
they fell down, and there was none to help.
13 Then they cried unto the Lord in their trouble,
and he saved them out of their distresses.
14 He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death,
and brake their bands in sunder.Ephesians 6:12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Job 1:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Revelation 9:14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
14 saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
These are all verses may be relevant to resolving the mystery.
agreed,and if we have to have one angel looking after only one planet in the universe they would be billions upon billions
Kerwin.
Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
He is the god of the world today. Can not inter heaven anymore.
He and one third of the angels of heaven.
No evil can abide in heaven.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Satan was cast from his place when he sinned but that does not mean Satan cannot still visit heaven. He visited it when he accompanied a group of the sons of God.
For example a man is cast out of house because he did not pay the bills. Even though the house is no longer his he can still visit. It is an mistake to say being cast out means you can no longer visit.
Kerwin.
Please concentrate.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND **ANY MORE** IN HEAVEN.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
***CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH***;
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
THE ACCUSER IS CAST DOWN *INTO* THE EARTH. THERE CAN BE NO MORE EVIL ACCUSERS DWELLING IN HEAVEN.
THE WORLD IS HIS KINGDOM.wakeup.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God create the heaven and the earth.
He created two things.
1. heaven
2. earth
We must ask, since God created the heaven and the earth, then is heaven earth or not??
What is not heaven is earth and what is not earth is heaven.
Heaven is basically anything above the earth.
Heaven would include our atmosphere.
Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Kerwin.
I know the difference,but satan can now not even visit heaven.
For he is cast out of heaven(banned), after the resurrection of Jesus.Rev.12.
No evil can enter heaven.He has no business in heaven anymore.
Rev12:12. Therefore rejoice ye heavens,and ye that dwell in them.Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea.—
1.Heaven where God dwelleth.
2.Heavens where the birds fly,and and other heavens.I say where Elijah, and Moses, and Enoch dwelleth.
Jesus will come with clouds,meaning come in the clouds.wakeup.
Man experiences Heaven and Hell
Found this vision of a guy who died. He experienced similar things to me.
Hi WU,
Satan was not banned from heaven after the resurrection.
Or perhaps you can show this timing in scriptureRevelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
This happened on the day of Christ’s resurrection
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The woman is Zion, God’s doctrine. The day Christ rose he saw Mary, and told her not to touch him until he ascended.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Christ was risen, but just about to leave to ascend to his Father. He returned that evening to meet with the apostles.
Whilst Christ was united with his Father in heaven, this happened;Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
The King never fights his own battles, he gives the orders, and his men do it. In this case Michael, the chief angel who was in charge, with his angels under him, battled Satan, and did what was commanded. Kicked him out of heaven.
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Satan gone. Job done; and his angels are gone with him.Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night
Cast down, not destroyed Yet. Cast down to earth. Can never return to heaven.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Satan then went after the doctrine of God, trying to end it, by killing the followers,…but the truth was preserved.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
The doctrine of God was kept preserved for three and a half years. The apostles were fed this doctrine in depth, when Christ was with them for 40 days. Having the holy spirit now, they understood perfectly, and were sent out. They were sent to Antioch, and this was their headquarters, (meeting place in the wilderness) free from persecutions, and although some were killed, the true doctrine of God was preserved. They taught one another, and preached to the Jews and gentles. Departing and returning to Antioch, they sent letters to the churches, and the churches sent letters to them. They would of made copies to preserve the Word..
To give you an idea what was happening in Antioch;
Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
Acts 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
Acts 11:22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.Acts 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Acts 14:21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,
Acts 14:26 And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.
Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Acts 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
Acts 15:35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
Their preaching lasted three and a half years. Satan could not attack the Word of God with full force, until it was in print. Well the letters at that time were hand written, and not at the disposal of the gentiles, but nevertheless, the spirit of Antichrist had come and deceived many.
Once the Word of God was made available in print to the whole gentile world, Satan had something solid to attack. This is the flood he sent after the woman. He corrupted the doctrine of God. Although the true doctrine remains, many have to sift through to find it. When God draws one near to himself he will lead him there to his pure undefiled Word, and Satan cannot touch this,…the true doctrine, but in anger will go at anyone who has this doctrine inside them. He his plan is to kill them all off, so no trace of this doctrine can exist.Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Many are carried away by this flood. This flood is not on the world, but on the Woman (The doctrine of God), and therefore Satan has succeeded, but not for the ones who have already received it. It will go to their graves with them.
Wakeup,
No evil can enter heaven.He has no business in heaven anymore.
That is not written in Scripture what is written is there is “spiritual wickedness in high places”, Ephesians 6:12.
Wakeup,
No evil can enter heaven.He has no business in heaven anymore.
That is not written in Scripture what is written is there is “spiritual wickedness in high places”, Ephesians 6:12.
Kerwin, that is speaking of the earth. The spiritual wickedness in high places is HAPPENING ON THE EARTH.
Heaven was cleaned out after Jesus’s resurrection. Satan cannot come and go anymore.
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Journey,
Kerwin, that is speaking of the earth. The spiritual wickedness in high places is HAPPENING ON THE EARTH.
The Koine Greek word means heavens so I assume you mean skies.
It is a form of the same word used in other passages of Ephesians such as:
Ephesians 1:20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
20 which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Ephesians 2:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 3:10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
It sounds like it is speaking of some of the “principalities and powers in heavenly places” that are mentioned in Eph. 3:10.
Even the word heavens is somewhat vague and words high places even more so their is room for interpretations though each one has to be judged based on its truthfulness or falseness.
Journey,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Place is a vague word which leads to their being more than one interpretation of what this phrase means. It is my understanding that Satan lost his station in heaven as did his host. I believe he still goes before God and petitions hims much as he did in the day of Job as we are as oppressed by him as Job was at that time.
Here are some other Scriptures that I think may relate to this topic.
John 12:31Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 14:30Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 16:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
11 of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Hi,
Satan was able to enter heaven and there is no proof that his fall from there has yet to happen.
What Jesus saw may have been at that time or more likely was prophetic.The predicted earthly dramas associated with this event have yet to eventuate suggesting it may be associated with the great tribulation
Hi J42,
If it is so plain to see as being at the resurrection you will be able to show us scriptural proofs?
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