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it seems to me that OUR EXPERIENCES IN LIVE AND DEAD ARE RELATED TO THAT EXPERIENCE ;
THIS IS WHY LIVING AS CHILDREN OF GOD IS SO IMPORTANT ,BECAUSE WE WANT TO RECEIVE THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE MADE FOR OUR SELVES ,YES A GODLY ONE IN CHRIST SO THAT OUR EXPERIENCE CANNOT BE ANYTHING ELSE BUT OF GOD IN CHRIST ,
it is a personal tribulation and the out come if it is for our advantage we should question our inside to see and understand what God wants from us ,and so to understand the reason behind our miracle ,any one one that receive from God is in debt with God not his fellow men
We seem to picture heaven as a room with God sitting on his throne surrounded by all his angels.
We picture heaven as a small place. We don’t really know what it looks like, because not much is revealed to us, but i imagine it would be a whole different world for spiritual creatures, and not just consisting of a throne room where God sits, but a whole different world altogether.Some of you might have read my comments in other posts explaining about the day Christ was resurrected, that he ascended to his Father, and cleaned out heaven, then was back that same evening to meet with the apostles.
So my point is, if Satan had access to heaven and could travel to and fro until he was finally kicked out after the resurrection of Christ, then don’t picture Satan inside God’s throne room sitting beside and mingling with God, but picture him comfortable in a heavenly spiritual world designed for spirit creatures. A whole different world altogether. It must be a nice place for spirit creatures, millions maybe trillions of angels, all busy living in peace doing whatever jobs God has given them. It must be such a beautiful place and bigger than we expect, as Satan is filled with wrath for being banned from there. He is out of his natural environment now, and dust shall be the serpents meat (earth)?
I’d like everyone to just ponder on this for a moment, if you thought it strange for Satan to travel back to heaven for a little rest whilst Christ was in the grave for those three days, living amongst those trillions of angels in an absolute spiritual paradise, thinking God does not see what he did and thinking he got away with it?
God must of not communicated with him for a while, and tricked him into thinking he was not on to him maybe?hi
The Angel showed me a river filled with the water of Life, as clear as crystal. It was flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb. Between the street of the city and the river there was a Tree of Life visible from both sides………
lets take this scriptures apart ;
are their “rivers” in heaven ? no ,only on earth ;so what it means then ???
but it also says ;that it contains : water of life”as clear as crystal”what does this mean?
but it also says ;it was flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb ” so what is it mean ?
then it goes on and says ; Between the street of the city and the river there was a Tree of Life visible from both sides…
what does it mean ? because their are no trees in heaven nor cities and no river shores ,
so their must be a meaning to that vision ,right ???
Good post.
I suspect that Satan probably knows full well that God can see everything he does, but he relies on God being patient and tries to outsmart him with his sinful mind.
Sometimes I wonder if his plan was really as simple as this. To corrupt the Universe so that God who cannot dwell or fellowship with sin would have to abandon it leaving Satan as the Lord of the Universe. I guess he didn’t bank on the fact that God would actually send his own son to die and to redeem all things back to him.
While all those material things that God will have created for those that love Him in the new heaven and the new earth, heaven is a state of bliss,eternal joy with no more suffering and no more heart aches and tears. At His right hand are pleasures forever more.
No more devil, and therefore, no more rebellion against God.
Love in Christ,
MartyFrom my experience and current understanding I give you this.
Rivers on Earth are but an image of the River of Life. The River of Life is God’s Spirit channeling through his creation. Where we are now, we get only drops of it, but in Heaven it is in full flow. God cannot be contained inside his own creation as he also exists outside of it. At the top of creation is his throne and he has his son seated on it. The Spirit of God comes from his eternal self and proceeds from the throne and hence why Jesus is the life and he gives water to drink from which you shall never thirst.
From there, the river flows through the city and into the tree of life from which much eternal fruit grows. It flows through the city and out into the Paradise of God and one day this Earth will be paradise again.
Just as all physical water sustains physical life, so it is that the living water sustains all spiritual life.
Yes there are trees in Heaven. Again, trees on Earth are but an image of the heavenly. Just as with the body, there is a physical and spiritual.
The physical comes first in our case because we are here to learn. Then we go to the real and eternal place. The Spiritual realm.
All that we see was made from that which we can’t see.
J42
< living amongst those trillions of angels>
WHERE DO YOU GET THIS NUMBER ?
< Satan had access to heaven and could travel to and fro until he was finally kicked out>
scriptures says that he ad access to the presence of God (Job) but this is in heaven
but Jesus threw him out of that area ,and now he is around the earth in space (heaven) but not in God’s presence
God to my understanding did not do anything ;everything was in satan head ;deceived himself ;
just think a person that does not take the grace of God in a serious way ;why would that be ? because of God or because of the person it self ,?what would be the part of God ? nothing ,everything lays in the hands of the person that the handout is given to ,
Trillions of angels. Who knows. We know the number is great.
Daniel 7:10
A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.Psalm 67:18
The chariot of God is attended by ten thousands; thousands of them that rejoice: the Lord is among them in Sina, in the holy place.Matthew 26:53
Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,Surely the numbers here are not representative of the total number but that which are present in the descriptions given.
Interestingly we are told that Christ left 99 sheep to save the one that went astray. Who are the 99 sheep?
yeah ,but 1000×1000 = 1000,000
10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000,000,
add for Ps 67; 10,000
a legion is 5000 men x12 =60,000
this brings us to about ;101,070,000 +- far from TRILLIONS = 2,000,000,000, ASSUMING THAT THE PLURAL IS ONLY 2
HI
I believe that all the description is more spiritual than that ; water is always referred to as knowledge ,the tree symbolize also knowledge ,the fruits of the tree mean “more knowledge ” or renewed knowledge 12 time a year in this view ,also the fact that the water was pure like crystal mean it was” pure truth ”
wen i see all this together i almost see the sequence to bring us to God knowledge of truth that will heal us
Not arguing either way, but these numbers are within certain circumstances. Not all angels are being referenced is my guess.
If we are the sheep that were led astray, who are the other 99 sheep?
There are 7 billion of us now and billions have passed on already. So if there are say 10 billion people and we are one percent, then that would mean 100 billion are the 99. Of course I am sure Jesus wasn’t giving us exact numbers here. But was making a point that if a tiny percentage of the sheep needed help, you would leave the safe ones and save the one(s) in trouble.
Heaven is a place. It is not all about concepts. It has form and it is beautiful. If the physical body and the spiritual body both have form, then it is possible that so do other things. But yes, these things are for sure representations of purity, truth, love, light, glory from God. All is of God. We only see in part at the moment. The greatest of all these are not the things or the forms, but love.
t8.
The question is;why are they led astray?
Isaiah 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times,
and strength of salvation:
the fear of the LORD is his treasure.The lack of knowledge is the cause of being led astray by the wolves in sheeps clothing.
The lack of hunger for truth. The desire of the heart, to seek after treasures of heaven.
There will be a second judgement of which all of them will be judged by the hearts,and their deeds.
The condition of the heart. All non christians,of all generations.
Luke warm christians will be put through the fire of purification(tribulation).rev.11.
Then also resurrected at the second coming.wakeup.
The tree in the mids of the street of the river(the flow) is the tree of life living of the spirit of God.The river waters.
The H. spirit. Spirit of truth. God is truth.The fruits are what the trees produce. Good fruits.
Producing good servants.Twelve manner of fruits,the foundation are the twelve apostles of Jesus,which Jesus is the corner stone.
The leaves are for the healings of nations. They are the teachings,
for the healing of their souls.Kings will also be healed by the eating the leaves.wakeup.
To whomever it concerns,
The heavens are mentioned in the book of watchers of first Enoch and there seems to be seven of them. The book of second Enoch goes into more detail but seems to have ten heaven instead of the seven that seem to be spoken of in 1 Enoch. Their is a book of third Enoch as well. There are also multiple translations of each.
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