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Hi Ken
NO, the Father had a son, and John referred to him as the word, and he is the only one to do so.
The name Jesus was given to him when he was born of Mary. Born means, brought into existence; he was born of Mary a flesh human being, but he was born, brought into existence as a spirit being long before then.Ps. 2:7 “I will declare the decree: the LORD has said unto me, thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee.”
Hebrews is quoting this scripture in 1:5, in verse 6 we read;
v. 6 “And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,…”
How can this to be understood to mean anything else, except what it says?
God gave his only begotten son, John 3:16;
God sent his son, John 3:17.
God could not have given us his son; God could not have sent us his son, had he not had a son.
And the “Word”, a title given only by John, was and is the son, Jesus.Yes, he was the beginning of God's creation, Rev. 3:14, because everything else was created by him, Col, 1:16.
Good talking with you Ken and all, God bless
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 10 2007,00:55) Hi Ken NO, the Father had a son, and John referred to him as the word, and he is the only one to do so.
The name Jesus was given to him when he was born of Mary. Born means, brought into existence; he was born of Mary a flesh human being, but he was born, brought into existence as a spirit being long before then.Good talking with you Ken, and all; God bless
Ps. 2:7 “I will declare the decree: the LORD has said unto me, thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee.”
Hebrews is quoting this scripture in 1:5, in verse 6 we read;
v. 6 “And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,…”
How can this to be understood to mean anything else, except what it says?
God gave his only begotten son, John 3:16;
God sent his son, John 3:17.
God could not have given us his son; God could not have sent us his son, had he not had a son.
And the “Word”, a title given only by John, was and is the son, Jesus.Yes, he was the beginning of God's creation, Rev. 3:14, because everything else was created by him, Col, 1:16.
IM4Truth,Isn't Ps2:7 a prophecy of Jesus?
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.The Word became flesh, the only begotten of the Father~Jesus~.
Jesus offered up Himself as the supreme sacrifice and died. So the Father's begotten Son was no more. It was after Jesus' resurrection that the Father says AGAIN I will be a Father to Him.If the Word were a BEGOTTEN Son then who was His mother?
Unless as I said the Son was a CREATED spiritual being as the angels. If that is true then it was Michael the archangel who was the Word…. If there was a son that was called the Word.The Father didn't say Son make light. The Father SAID “Let there be light” and through that Word there was light. That Word came from the Mind of the Father. So the Word as Laurel says is the Spirit of the Father which became Flesh~Jesus! Which is why the Holy Spirit could not come unless Jesus was resurrected.
IHN&L,
Ken
It's none of my business but why don't you ask t8 for editing rights?
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 10 2007,09:03) Hello Ken;
So what you're saying is, that God send his spoken word into mary and it became his son?
No scripture says that Jesus was born of God by His Spirit. Jesus had the mind of His Father but still had a choice.Where was this done before the Word became flesh?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy–the Son of God.
Hi TaA,
This guy first coined the trinity.He was no apostle.
Then Constantine made it compulsory to believe it.
But we should rather follow the teachings of Jesus Christ should we not?Is Tertullian stating that the word “Word” in John 1 should be interpreted “reason”?
He does have a point and it got me looking at the Greek definitions of logos which are quite extensive.
It seems logos was originally used by Heraclitus in 600BC to define the divine reason or plan that coordinates a changing universe.
Well hello Nick, I recognized the voice.
how are you? how is the vineyard doing?
Did you come out of your retirement, or were you on a long vacation?
Georg
Hi georg,
Going well thanks but the grapes not much good this year.
No I want to do some sharing again of the precious treasures we are given.Nick…………..My vineyard is leased out but it is Producing well and the Prices are really up these last few years and i just increased the lease price again. I figure he is doing so well i might as well enjoy some of the profits also, but i will drop it back if prices fall. It good to see you are back posting Brother. Hope you and all your family are doing well brother.
peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………………………………gene
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