Terms and discussion

[SimplyForgiven]

Hi WJ and Mike
seems like WJ has challenged mike,
im pretty sure that mike will accept.
anyways, to dicuss terms.
I present to formats which are in this thread.

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=3267

note: i added a word count to make it easier.
we need to take the following steps, to set up this debate.

1) The Resolve- what your debating
–A) the Aff and Neg of the resolve.
2) Format to debate on-
3) if any request, suggestions, or amends.

Question:
This resolve was chosen for KJ vs Mike, Im not sure if WJ agrees with this or would like to make any changes to the resolve or make a new one.
The Resolve: The Greek interpretation of the intended meaning of “monogenes” meaning only of a kind and “prototokos pasa ktisis” also meaning the firstborn or head of all mankind when applied to Jesus.

[Worshipping Jesus]

SF

I don't understand all the suggestions.

The challenge I made to Mike in a debate is as follows…

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2010,00:12)

“I challenge you to a debate on the words “monogenes” and “prōtotokos” in relation to Jesus and his origins.”

Then I made this post to you…

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2010,00:16)

Therefore I challenge Mike to a debate in the debates thread on two words in the Bible, “monogenes” and “prōtotokos” to pin down the fact that the words do not mean that Jesus was born from the Father by procreation before time. Mike insists that the words prove Jesus had a beginning as a Son of God before he came in the flesh and now even implies he could have been a man before he came in the flesh. I challenge him to “Prove” by scriptures that this is true using those two words. Please set this up if you like and if Mike will go along then let’s get ready to rumble!

All I was asking you to do is set up the debate format and see if that is what we can agree on.

The subject is already chosen in my challenge to Mike!

If he accepts great.

WJ

[SimplyForgiven]

CF Debate Format
1AC (first Affirmative Constructive) – 1 1/2 page= 1050 words
Intro:
Resolve:
Define Terms:
1-4Contentions:
–Claim- what you’re proving
–Warrent- your evidence
> Biblical scriptures: needs to be interpreted to understand intent.
>>V:
>>I: Interpretation of the verse and connection.
>>2nd (optional): another verse to second the original.
–Impact- Why this is important? Connection to claim.
Conclusion: summary, and conclusion, connecting back to your points and side of the resolve.

Cross Ex of the Aff by the Neg (CX-A)– 10 questions.
You ask questions – have a strategy or at the very least a direction to your questioning

1NC (first Negative Constructive) – 2 pages= 1400words
Note: Neg can adopt Aff points.
Intro:
Resolve:
Define Terms:
1-4Contentions:
–Claim- what your proving
–Warrent- your evidence
> Biblical scriptures: needs to be interpreted to understand intent.
>>V:
>>I: Interpretation of the verse and connection.
>>2nd (optional): another verse to second the original.
–Impact- Why this is important? Connection to claim.
Attack: and question the Affirmative’s Contentions/evidence
Conclude effectively.
Conclusion: summary, and conclusion, connecting back to your points and side of the resolve.

Cross Ex of the Neg by the Aff – 10 Questions
You ask questions – have a strategy or at the very least a direction to your questioning
Be courteous

Rebuttal Speeches – No new arguments are allowed – new evidence, analysis is ok

1AR (first Affirmative Rebuttal) – 3/4 of a page=525 words
Respond to the Neg Observations – show how they are not as strong/relevant as the Aff Contentions
Rebuild the Aff case.

NR (Negative Rebuttal) – 1 1/2 page.= 1050 words
Respond to latest Affirmative arguments
Make your final case to the Judge that the Neg position and claims and attacks on Aff points.
Summarize the debate and conclude effectively

2AR (second Affirmative Rebuttal) – 3/4 of a page=525 words
Respond to final Negative arguments
Summarize the debate
Conclude effectively.

Judge: Makes a ballot, based what claims are left valid from both sides and a Judge might give debate points for debating skill and grammar.

[SimplyForgiven]

Resolve: The Greek words “monogenes” and “prōtotokos” is not correctly interpreted as Jesus being born from the Father by procreation before time or when time began.

[mikeboll64]

We are already in the middle of this debate. Would you, Dennison, be willing to jump in and judge just to keep DIRECT questions answered DIRECTLY? We are going only ONE POINT AT A TIME, and WJ seems a little stuck on the first point he made. He thinks it is proof of something, I disagree. I have been asking him to either show how it is actually proof or to admit that it is not.

Would you jump in and instruct him to answer DIRECTLY, and without his entire world views in one post?

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

Mike,
which thread?

and from what page to what page are you referring to.

I can tell you what i think, overall.
If i see that Wj is running away from something i would make it clear that its happening but i cant FORCE him to respond. I dont have those kindof powers.

[mikeboll64]

The mike vs WJ on firstborn and begotten thread. You can start at the current page – we haven't gotten too far. Just pipe in and tell WJ to answer my last bolded point to him so we can move forward. If he ignores you then, oh well, we gave a direct answer debate a shot.

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2010,00:26)

The mike vs WJ on firstborn and begotten thread.  You can start at the current page – we haven't gotten too far.     Just pipe in and tell WJ to answer my last bolded point to him so we can move forward.  If he ignores you then, oh well, we gave a direct answer debate a shot. mike

let me check it out.

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