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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 24 2011,04:55) If he is 50% God then he is not God.
Hi WJ,That's what they keep telling you; is it not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 24 2011,04:55) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 23 2011,12:21) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 24 2011,02:04) Mike If God begets God then the God he begets is God just like the Man a Man begets is Man.
WJ
Hi WJ,Sounds like you might be beginning to grasp
the 50% nature of Jesus' lineage; but maybe not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
If he is 50% God then he is not God. If he is 50% man then he is not man.Surely you can grasp this.
WJ
Hi WJ,Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her,
The HolySpirit shall come upon thee, and the power of
the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 23 2011,13:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 24 2011,04:55) If he is 50% God then he is not God.
Hi WJ,That's what they keep telling you; is it not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDYes and they are also telling me he is not man either but some sort of demi-god or half breed!
WJ
t8 said to WJ:
Quote Are you the same being as the person who calls you son? (i.e., your father?). Being = essence
Being 2 The qualities or constitution of an existent thing (Webster's)
Being 2 Essential nature, substance (Funk and Wagnalll's)
t8,
Yes I am the same being as the person who calls me son (my father). I possess the same qualities and constitution(Webster's). I have the same essential nature and substance(F & W).
KJ
t8 said:
Quote We are sons of God WJ, so are Angels called by this.
Angels are not sons of God. “To which of the angels did He ever say, “You are My Son….?”KJ
t8 said:
Quote You forget too easily that we will become what Jesus is. We will be like him and he calls us brother.
So we will become sin-bearers? We will become the lambs of God who takes away the sin of the world?kj
Hi Keith,
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)
It doesn't matter what your opinion is Mike because every one knows that for God to beget a Son would mean that his being would have to be the exact same in nature as the Fathers being.
My son has the same nature as I do………but he is not me. Jesus has the same nature as his God, but he is not Him.1. Keith, does your son have the same nature as you do?
2. Is your son YOU?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)
It is real simple Mike and you have created a smokescreen and misapplied the use of the terms.
Hello, Kettle? This is the Pot………….YOU'RE BLACK! 
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)
If God begets God then the God he begets is God just like the Man a Man begets is Man.
3. Keith, was the son of the first Adam equally adam?4. Was that same son the actual BEING of Adam?
Keith, answer these 4 questions, and that will be the end of it.
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04) Beget to you means that God begets a being that is not like him, but some sort of half breed.
No, beget to me means that God begets a being that is VERY MUCH like Him………but just not Him. Just like it happens for us Keith. Our sons are very much like us…………but not us.It's really pretty simple.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04) Mike, is the term “God” antithetical to the term “Son of God”? It is a yes or no question.
State the question differently……….with a word I readily would use and understand. I've looked up the definition, but still don't fully understand “antithetical”. Ask the same question dumbed down for me.mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:17) Hi All It seems to me that those who do not see Jesus as equally God in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/God”, but it is more like they know a Jesus that is the opposite of God the Father like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
You play with words once again.What exactly does “equally God in nature” mean? We all agree that by being the only begotten Son of God, Jesus shares God's nature. That doesn't make him God Himself.
My son shares my nature, but he is not ME. Let's use your same wording for me and my son:
It seems to me that those who do not see Dakota as equally Mike in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/Mike”, but it is more like they know a Dakota that is the opposite of Mike his Father, like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
Does this make sense to you, Keith?
mike
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 23 2011,09:27) Mike doesn't stand a chance in his futile effort to topple trinitarianism. Minds much greater than Mike's pea brain have failed
Yet here I am doing it solidly.Jack, does the word “elohim” imply a plural being?
Does being called “god” prove you are God Almighty?
Can you ever use John 8:58 as a proof text again?
How about John 1:1, 1:18, 20:28, Titus 2:13 or Hebrews 1:8?
Bye bye trinity. It's been nice knowin' ya!
mike
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 23 2011,12:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 24 2011,04:55) If he is 50% God then he is not God.
Hi WJ,That's what they keep telling you; is it not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 23 2011,13:30) Yes I am the same being as the person who calls me son (my father). I possess the same qualities and constitution(Webster's). I have the same essential nature and substance(F & W). I can't take it………….I'm rolling on the floor! Jack is the SAME BEING as his father!
The lengths to which these guys will go is hilarious! mike
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 23 2011,13:38) t8 said: Quote We are sons of God WJ, so are Angels called by this.
Angels are not sons of God. “To which of the angels did He ever say, “You are My Son….?”KJ
Jack,You are truly daft. Many times, many people on HN have pointed out Job 38:7. The “sons of God” shouted for joy at the founding of the world. Who were these “sons of God”, Jack?
mike
Hi Mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:17) Hi Keith,
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)
It doesn't matter what your opinion is Mike because every one knows that for God to beget a Son would mean that his being would have to be the exact same in nature as the Fathers being.
My son has the same nature as I do………but he is not me. Jesus has the same nature as his God, but he is not Him.
Which means he is human, right? He is of the human kind, right? So if God the Father has a Son then he would be God the Son, right? Then he would be of the God kind, right?He is the “Only Begotten God” right? That means that he is exactly like his Father in nature and not some half breed or demi-god, right?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:17)
1. Keith, does your son have the same nature as you do?
Yes, he is fully human like I am. Therefore Jesus is fully God like his Father.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:17) 2. Is your son YOU?
No but like me, my son is a “human being” just like I am a “human being”. We are of the same “human kind”. Jesus is the same kind of being as his Father and that is God.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:17)
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)
It is real simple Mike and you have created a smokescreen and misapplied the use of the terms.
Hello, Kettle? This is the Pot………….YOU'RE BLACK!
No Mike, you didn’t address my point at all. Beget to you means that God begets a being that is not like him, but some sort of half breed.YHVH set in order the “seed bearing” law, every kind bearing after its own kind.
So tell me Mike…
Is Jesus of a different kind than “God the Father”?
Is Jesus kind different than the God kind?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:17)
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)
If God begets God then the God he begets is God just like the Man a Man begets is Man.
3. Keith, was the son of the first Adam equally adam?
Yes, he was completely and totally human like Adam. Your and t8s use of the words Adam and adam is a misnomer because for one there are no caps in the Hebrew or Greek language. Secondly Adam is not “humanity” but is a part of “humanity” which means he would also be “adam”. All men were created equally human, get it Mike? All are of the same kind, the human kind.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:17)
4.Was that same son the actual BEING of Adam?
He is a “human being” just like his Father is a “human being” and of the human kind.Jesus is God just like his Father is God. He is of the God kind.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:17)
Keith, answer these 4 questions, and that will be the end of it.
I doubt it, you will probably ask them again.Here is a question for you…
Who is ruling the universe at this time as God?
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2011,12:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:17) Hi All It seems to me that those who do not see Jesus as equally God in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/God”, but it is more like they know a Jesus that is the opposite of God the Father like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
You play with words once again.What exactly does “equally God in nature” mean? We all agree that by being the only begotten Son of God, Jesus shares God's nature. That doesn't make him God Himself.
My son shares my nature, but he is not ME. Let's use your same wording for me and my son:
It seems to me that those who do not see Dakota as equally Mike in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/Mike”, but it is more like they know a Dakota that is the opposite of Mike his Father, like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
Does this make sense to you, Keith?
mike
Hi Mike,A “Half breed” is a term that was coined to refer to
a child with one parent Indian and the other White.I used that term as an explanation of heritage, not one of identification!
I would appreciate it if you would STOP SPREADING THAT LIE!
I HAVE NEVER CALLED HIM THAT, SO STOP IT NOW!Jesus Father is God; CORRECT? ………(Son of God)
Jesus Mother is Human; CORRECT? …(Son of Man)And here is the Scriptural backing…
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her,
The HolySpirit shall come upon thee, and the power of
the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,20:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:17) Hi All It seems to me that those who do not see Jesus as equally God in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/God”, but it is more like they know a Jesus that is the opposite of God the Father like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
You play with words once again.What exactly does “equally God in nature” mean?
MikeIt means that everything the Father is in “Nature” as God, Jesus is.
Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son/God”
Son of God = God
Son of man = Man
Why do you not grasp this Mike? You are sticking your head in the sand.
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 24 2011,12:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2011,12:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:17) Hi All It seems to me that those who do not see Jesus as equally God in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/God”, but it is more like they know a Jesus that is the opposite of God the Father like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
You play with words once again.What exactly does “equally God in nature” mean? We all agree that by being the only begotten Son of God, Jesus shares God's nature. That doesn't make him God Himself.
My son shares my nature, but he is not ME. Let's use your same wording for me and my son:
It seems to me that those who do not see Dakota as equally Mike in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/Mike”, but it is more like they know a Dakota that is the opposite of Mike his Father, like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
Does this make sense to you, Keith?
mike
Hi Mike,A “Half breed” is a term that was coined to refer to
a child with one parent Indian and the other White.I used that term as an explanation of heritage, not one of identification!
I would appreciate it if you would STOP SPREADING THAT LIE!
I HAVE NEVER CALLED HIM THAT, SO STOP IT NOW!
Hi Ed,Read the WHOLE post. Read what Keith wrote. Then read what I did to show something to Keith. I'll give it a second to set in and then accept your apology for yelling at me.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2011,09:09) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 24 2011,12:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2011,12:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:17) Hi All It seems to me that those who do not see Jesus as equally God in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/God”, but it is more like they know a Jesus that is the opposite of God the Father like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
You play with words once again.What exactly does “equally God in nature” mean? We all agree that by being the only begotten Son of God, Jesus shares God's nature. That doesn't make him God Himself.
My son shares my nature, but he is not ME. Let's use your same wording for me and my son:
It seems to me that those who do not see Dakota as equally Mike in nature do not really see or know him as the “Only Begotten Son/Mike”, but it is more like they know a Dakota that is the opposite of Mike his Father, like some sort of half breed as Ed calls him.
Does this make sense to you, Keith?
mike
Hi Mike,A “Half breed” is a term that was coined to refer to
a child with one parent Indian and the other White.I used that term as an explanation of heritage, not one of identification!
I would appreciate it if you would STOP SPREADING THAT LIE!
I HAVE NEVER CALLED HIM THAT, SO STOP IT NOW!
Hi Ed,Read the WHOLE post. Read what Keith wrote. Then read what I did to show something to Keith. I'll give it a second to set in and then accept your apology for yelling at me.
mike
Hi Mike,I was really yelling at WJ, sorry you got in the way.
Kieth needs to stop saying that I call Jesus that.
I know you will honor my request, but will WJ?Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed
These are your words…
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,18:05)
Hi WJ,With regard to a male “Horse” and a female “Donkey”,
is the “Horses” offspring a “Horse”?Jesus' Father was “God” and his mother was “Human”,
DO YOU SEE A CONNECTION HERE?Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2011,18:14) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 22 2011,08:03) ED “Please tell us “what kind of creature is Jesus” if he is the literal and Only Begotten Son of God?
“Do you know what and who he is?“
WJ
Hi Mike,Why Yes I certainly do.
He was born as a “Half Breed”;
but he would look no different from us,
because we were all created in YHVH's image!Found Here!
Do you now deny your own words?
You said…HE WAS BORN AS A HALF BREED”;
WJ
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