Proclaimer vs kerwin about when Jesus was considered the messiah

[kerwin]

t8,

I have to disagree with you since by insisting that Jesus was born the Savior you deny he became the Savior by dying on the cross.

[kerwin]

t8,

Your question lacks genuineness because of your own bias. I have already answered it. You need to go beyond your bias and admit that Jesus saves us through his resurrection from the dead.

Romans 5:10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

[Ed J]

T8 to Kerwin: (post # 816046)
You say that the following message from this angel is NOT saying that Jesus was born a savior?
You say that the following message from this angel is NOT saying that Jesus IS Christ the Lord?
.
”for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”?
.
Just put one Yes or No for both questions please. That is all. In your following post you can explain it, but in the next post I require yes or no only. Unless your answer is yes and no in which case you can also explain that in your following post after the yes & no answer.

Thanks.

Kerwin’s response:

If the question is that the angel is stating Jesus was born the prophesied Savior then the answer is yes.
If the question is that the angel is stating Jesus was born the foretold Christ then the answer is also yes.

If the question is that the angel is not stating that Jesus is the present Christ as opposed to predestined one then the answer is yes.
If the question is that the angel is not stating that Jesus is the present Savior as opposed to predestined one then the answer is yes.

Hi Guys: if its ok with you both I offer my services as an impartial arbiter.

First: T8 kinda cheated by asking two questions that he views as being the same question.
And Kerwin: by responding to it inadvertently agrees that it is to be viewed as only one question.
You may not like his question/s, but answering different questions is not considered an answer (see point #2).

…unless of course T8 accepts it as answering the essence of his question

When people try to insist on holding to untruths when those untruths
are challenged – by asking refining questions – what they do is:

1. Try to ignore the question outright
2. Divert, by answering a different question
3. Outright refuse to answer the refining question
4. Answer the question and let the chips fall where they may

Or

5. LIE to protect their untruth
6. Implement a deception (in addition to lying) to protect their untruth

[Ed J]

“Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another,
and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.” (1 Peter 5:5)

[kerwin]

Ed

I answered it like I did because I considered is question open to interpretation. I called it disingenuous due to his bias. I then answered it giving two separate interpretations. The first is mine and the second is what I understand his is.

I missed his comment at the end that he would take it as one or I would have used less words.

I answered his question with a yes or no and the needed explanation to understand my answer.

There is a lawyer trick with yes and no answers to twist the meaning of the answer to be other than what is intended. T8’s bias has led him to use trick elsewhere. The nature of the beast leads us to do those things we do not want to do and deceives us about their nature so we do not even know we are doing them. It is oppressive.

[Proclaimer]

t8,

I have to disagree with you since by insisting that Jesus was born the Savior you deny he became the Savior by dying on the cross.

He was born the savior kerwin and he did what saviors do.

You clearly deny the testimony of that angel of God and you do it for all to see.

[Proclaimer]

t8,

I have to disagree with you since by insisting that Jesus was born the Savior you deny he became the Savior by dying on the cross.

Please answer as required. This is the Hot Seat. There is no coming back from here if you are not straight up a yes or no. This sorts out those who hide the devil in the details of which I believe you and others do quite a bit.

[Proclaimer]

First: T8 kinda cheated by asking two questions that he views as being the same question.

Ed J. Either way I will ask both questions. But knowing kerwin they would be spaced apart by pages and thus the impact is gone.

Technically he could say I will only answer one for now, but if he was honest he could answer both now.

But he is not even answering one with a simple yes or no.

Thus the devil is given a hiding place in his words.

[Admin]

The question is fair kerwin. Please follow the required format for the Hot Seat or you will lose your posting rights until you decide to answer as required.

[kerwin]

@t8.

Your question is corrupt as you intentionally though perhaps subconsciously take it out of context and then choose to misuse your authority to back it up. Do right not evil. :-||

Stop avoiding both my point and questions. I have not avoided you despite your false accusations.

[kerwin]

@t8;

Fact 1: Jesus has been prophesied savior since the world began.
Fact 2: That was raveled to both Mary and Joseph before his birth.
Fact 3: That was revealed to the shepherds and others after his birth.
Fact 4: He become the savior when he chose to sacrifice himself.

There is not emphasis’s in Scripture about Jesus saving us before his death and you know it though you may not acknowledge it. The question is why don’t you admit it.

Romans 5:17Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Romans 5:18Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Romans 6:4-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

This line questioning leads me to believe you do not truly believe any of these passage because if you did then you would not being nonsense that you are.

Do you really believe you appear flawless as a result of your refusal to admit you are wrong?

[Ed J]

Your question is corrupt as you intentionally though perhaps subconsciously take it out of context and then choose to misuse your authority to back it up.

Hi Kerwin,

1) The only possible ‘misuse of authority’ T8 could possibility do is suspend your ability to post.

2) This is not the place to bicker about whether his question is valid or not.
He deserves an answer – and is in no out of bounds for insisting upon it.

3) If you answer “Yes” or “No” or “I don’t know” you have nothing to fear.
”The Truth” does not need any protection, it simply is. And working to present truth
should not feel burdensome . Do not mistake pride for truth and offer
lies and deception …truth does not need any protection – only a voice

4) Just answer “Yes” or “No” and see where T8 goes with it…

”let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay:
for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” (Matt 5:37)

…or “I don’t know”

5) You also have the right to ask a series of y/n refining questions.
But you do not have the right of dodgery – to avoid answering

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Proclaimer]

Yes Ed J.

Please answer the question yes or no, or I don’t know kerwin.

Be honest. If you are a son of God, then I shouldn’t even have to ask this of you.

[Proclaimer]

Your question is corrupt as you intentionally though perhaps subconsciously take it out of context and then choose to misuse your authority to back it up. Do right not evil. :-||

The question could be asked of any scripture. Is it true or not. There is no malice, deception, or trickery in the question. All that is in the question is for you to answer honestly. If you cannot, then you need to search your heart before God as to why you cannot let your yes be yes. Ask yourself if you are scared of this simplicity because the devil needs lots of details to hide in. The devil said to Eve, you shall not surely die and she didn’t die upon eating the fruit. Yet she died. Do not be cunning like the serpent. Instead you can participate in divine nature.

Last chance kerwin.

[kerwin]

@t8,

I am angry because I see that you are stubbornly setting yourself up against Christ because “natural” human desires. Salvation is in the gospel and preaching Christ crusaded is preaching the gospel.

I find it hard to believe a person is not a liar when they claim you have not answered after you have answered it. You really have to watch yourself because you claim to be a Christian and a leader but such an action is not Christ-like. It is possible you missed or misunderstood the posts where the answer is or where I was referring to it.

I have to beware that in my anger I do not sin and I find that hard to do.

[Admin]

Still cannot bring yourself to let your yes be yes.

These forums are trying to attract honest truth seekers who are humble and willing to change. Too often people who come here are the opposite and their tone puts other people off joining up. These are stubborn mules who are proud of their intellectual understanding and do not let scripture change them, rather they are more willing to change scripture. Instead, God reveals his truth to the innocent like children and those who are child-like.

You leave me no choice but to disable your posting rights as specified by the rules of this forum. The question was fair, but you did not want to directly answer yes or no because it exposed your stance on the issue.

This will be enacted later today. So you have a little time left to give a clear answer to the fair question.

[kerwin]

@admin,

Still are arrogant.

Your unrepentant heart angers me.

Now you are lying.

[kerwin]

@admin,

Kerwin’s response:
If the question is that the angel is stating Jesus was born the prophesied Savior then the answer is yes.
If the question is that the angel is stating Jesus was born the foretold Christ then the answer is also yes.
If the question is that the angel is not stating that Jesus is the present Christ as opposed to predestined one then the answer is yes.
If the question is that the angel is not stating that Jesus is the present Savior as opposed to predestined one then the answer is yes.

The evidence reveals I answered the poor quality question with a yes or no. Claiming I did not is therefore a lie unless you missed in both my post and when ed repeated it.

Why are you leveling a false accusation?

I do not see me getting a fair trial because you refuse to acknowledge the truth. Thank you for testing me so that I can learn to rejoice when tested. I hope to learn to avoid sinning in my anger though I am not sure I am mature enough.

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

Answering your own questions IS NOT answering,
here again is T8’s question/s for your convenience…

”for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord”?
.
You say that the following message from this angel is NOT saying that Jesus was born a savior?
You say that the following message from this angel is NOT saying that Jesus IS Christ the Lord?
.
Just put one Yes or No for both questions please.

Again answering your own questions IS NOT ANSWERING!

[Ed J]

Kerwin – by saying this are you claiming to be Christ?

I am angry because I see that you are stubbornly setting yourself up against Christ

Kerwin, know that the cause of ‘anger’ is unfulfilled expectations:
And anger is the ego[color=black]’s pride![/color] You are here (in the “Hot Seat”) now
so swallow your rebellious spirit’s pride and kindly comply with the rules

If you thought you were exempt from addressing the views of others,
you are clearly wrong! *IF* your view is true, you should have
NO TROUBLE getting T8 to understand it through HIS WORDS
instead of your own. And to make this absolutely clear to you:

You are here (in the “Hot Seat”) to clarify your belief NOT
by the means of your long winded word structures,
you have an umteen amount of threads for that.

Instead you are here (in the “Hot Seat”) to clarify your
beliefs through the refining questions (in this case) by T8.

I hope I have made this abundantly clear to you now.
If you cannot loose the anger or kill the ego
at least squelch your rebellious spirit!

_____________________
In Christ Jesus
name Ed J

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